SicCash reps/owners - charging surfer $118.32 for a 3day trial? interesting

wow is right. Now that i think about it, webmasters derserve credit for cross sells on the sign up page.

Its like generating 2 - 3 sales and getting paid for 1.

Damn

no worse than the $500 in software, hosting & bullshit...godaddy tries to tac onto every $7 domain i buy

a) GD give you the option of bypassing all that stuff completely.
b) it isn't - at least wasn't a week ago - pre-checked.

Nothing whatever wrong with offering UNchecked options: that's the equivalent of candy stands by the supermarket checkout. But pre-checked options, especially those which have ridiculous cancellation conditions?

Find sponsors who know this is 2006 and not 1998. There are plenty around and it takes a real optimist to believe that someone who thinks screwing the surfers is okay, is going to have less contempt for his affiliates...

wow

not when those 2-3 sales cb.

how do u think they can pay u 1000 for a trial signup? ;)

Your thread title is misleading and your math is totally wrong.
This is like 6th grade addition so I know it might be hard for you to follow, but I"ll go slow.

3 day trial to main site 4.95
3 days free at anal sorority $0
5 days free at erotic movie station $0

Total amount charged for signup. $4.95

How you got from $4.95 to $118.32 must be that newfangled math, because it just didn't add up to that for me.

You're kidding, right?

They do that to pay your dumb ass 40 bucks a sale. If webmasters care about their surfers, they will simply send traffic to console-free, no-cross-sale join pages.

Money talks homey. Don't send your traffic there if you don't like it.

Well said

Won't you get credited for the sales to the other sites??

stop fucking up the surfers!!!

The guy is REALLY only charged $4.95 for access to all 3 sites AND the pre-checked crosses are CLEARLY ABOVE the submit button!

One 3-day trial for $4.95
One 3-day trial for FREE
One 5-day trial for FREE

= $4.95 NOT $118

And REALLY - how many surfers take or are "tricked into because they missed" the cross sells? What percentage? 10%? 25%? DEFINITELY NOT 100% or anywhere NEAR that!

And the THIS statement ABOVE the pre-checked crosses is the same size font but NOT BOLD

"Check here to certify that you are 18 years of age or older and agree to the Terms"

Why is this even an issue?

It's not like it's hidden and they can't choose to un-check them!

Are you telling me that the surfer is so blinded by being horny that he misses the pre-checks?

How the fuck did he get his credit card out of his wallet and correctly fill out the damn sign up form?

AND he was conscious enough to actually take the time to "Check here to certify that you are 18 years of age or older and agree to the Terms" BUT didn't see the LARGE FONT that says "Special Offer For New Members Only!"

With all the the guys doing the "join, jerk and cancel" out there - sponsors should be the ones complaining - but I don't hear one peep from them

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

Hey shmuko
they pay me 27.50 for consoke free and i have no problems with cross sales.
Surfers to my sites pay my bills so to an extent i care.

Stick to selling executive summaries of threads idiot.

Stop expecting $40/trial signup!!!
I don't aprove the multiple pre-checked crossales but this is how far webmasters have driven sponsors. Everyone seems to expect $40/trial and a bunch of prizes and rewards, webmaster support 24/7, free hosting, free content, lots of banners/ads, etc, etc, etc but nobody seems to wonder how sponsors pay for all that shit. The time that just a quality-content-filled membersarea would do the thrick is long gone. An average tgp/mgp has more content than the better paysites these days.

While you may think its a ripoff, consider this. SicCash has to stay below the 1% mark just like any other company going through an IPSP. If these pre-checked cross-sales are being used, it means they're able to stay below the 1% mark. Surfers are getting smarter and are used to these things by now and the surfer does have the option to opt out of any of them. While it is agressive, they're doing it within moderate risk since they're clearly staying below the 1% threshold.
WG

pre-checked cross sales should be done away with, i feel bad for the surfer who clicks submit once without noticing what he's really signing up for.. he wouldn't be aware of the free trials, so not until the CC bill comes would he realize what mess he's gotten himself into. it's legal, its just a bit too aggressive for my taste.

Pre-checked cross sells and upsells are standard business practice throughout the web and completely legitimate as a BONUS OFFER!

There is nothing wrong with CLEARLY STATED offers that are FULLY DISCLOSED to the consumer. They have a choice to uncheck them or not.

Any surfer that signs up on a paycom/epoch join form HAS TO check the box that confirms he's 18 yrs old and has read the terms and conditions. If he can take the time to do that - he can simply uncheck the crosses as well.

As far as not noticing the BOLD descriptions of the cross sells offered - I simply call BULLSHIT ... it is RIGHT BELOW the "age and terms confirmation" that he purposely HAS TO CLICK/CHECK and RIGHT ABOVE the SUBMIT button to complete the transaction.

This is almost laughable that any surfer can claim he didn't see it or he didn't understand that he he would get charged if he didn't cancel before the trial(s) expire(d) - it's all spelled out for them BEFORE they hit SUBMIT!

This is normal cross sales usage. 90 % of the porn web compagnies are using that practice

And you are wrong about the 118.32.

i see it as walmart putting bubble gum inside of your bag and charging you for it unless you go in the bag and take the gum out. i prefer to simply have the option to add gum to the order at the check-out line only if i specifically place it on the counter myself.

Oh come on, bling daddy, get off it. The surfers who "carefully read" the things next to the checkboxes are the same drooling retards who install 26 malware programs a day. Don't kid yourself, we are ALL trying to profit off of these idiots.

Not a single person in his right fucking mind is praising Allah when he gets two or three BONUS OFFERS he's cordially invited to receive. You know it and I know it, but only I am brave enough to admit it using my fake nick.

well, IMO that's a bad example

in that case it's hidden in the bag and you don't know about it

in this case of an online cross ell it's CLEARLY MARKED before submitting an order

Agreed 100%. And that's why everyone thinks internet porn marketers are scumbags. And they're right.

Good point.

Hey bonehead, try revshare. If your sponsor actually has **GASP** fresh content and a sane members area, you WILL make more money in the long term.

Bottom line is that sponsors paying 40/join can only afford to do it by

1) fucking the surfer to get that sad 30% that falls for a cross sale
2) fucking the webmaster
3) being in canada and spamming
4) or all of the above

most of the crosses don't link to the site or say
if it's a dot com, dot net or what.
no real indication that a site exists other than in name.
that makes it a scam.
I hate pps and don't need or want the inflated shaved payouts.
recurring programs with a cross sale will never get a click from
me either.
complete and utter bullshit to call yourself a recurring program
then and me the affiliate a partner.
a partner of mine that treated me that way would surely
get an old man ass whuppin from me.

Of course everyone's trying to profit off of these hony surfers - nobody is arguing that point, Captain Obvious

The rest of what you've stated is total crap and a complete cop out!

How the fuck was he magically AWARE ENOUGH to check the box that says "he's over 18 " and miss the "Special Offer for New Members Only" that's in BOLD right below it?

Check here to certify that you are 18 years of age or older and agree to the
Terms and Conditions of this purchase and have read our Privacy Policy

Special Offer For New Members Only!

X Sign me up for a 3 day No Charge Membership to Anal Sorority - Three Day Trial Membership.
After 3 days, Membership renews automatically at $39.61 every 1 month. Terms and Conditions

X Sign me up for a 5 day No Charge Membership to Erotic Movie Station - Five Day No Charge Trial Membership. After 5 days, Membership renews automatically at $38.76 every 1 month. Terms and Conditions

I think prechecked boxes are wrong in any industry. If you buy something, you shouldn't have the seller assume you want more.

If it's FULLY DISCLOSED it's not sneaky or underhanded in any way.

goat sex

Then why have it checked? I mean if it is there for the surfer to choose and they all know what they are signing up for, why not let them check it? There is one reason to pre-check the boxes, and that is to get people who didn't look to sign up for other sites. If they wanted it, they can move their mouse over 3 inches and check the box.

The surfer is thinking, "Check all the fucking boxes and hit the button, where's the porn????"

There's no way Joe Jackoff with 18 viruses and 62 adware programs has suddenly figured out that YOU are trying to fuck him as hard as you possibly can.

He's used to putting something in a cart, taking it to a register, staring at the cashier's tits, paying the bill, and going home.

But after he leaves YOUR store he ends up with 3 times the cash missing from his pocket. I don't care if it's "standard" practice, just don't try to defend it with a straight face homeslice.

there's another reason too - psychology. More people are apt to consciously take it if it's already pre-checked for them ... and utilizing psychology in business is smart if it increases your bottom line and are able to pay webmasters more for their traffic.

LMFAO

So, basically you're saying that he's been struck by some kind of clinical illness or he's mildly retarded so much so from being horny that it makes him unable to make a conscious decision to AGREE to take MORE FREE PORN for another 3-5 days?

This has been fun but I'm off to catch some zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz's

BTW - I love playing Devil's Advocate

Good night!

wheres Franck?

No offense but I hope you are kidding. Many companies without trials and therefore less sales stay not below 1%, but 0.5%. A site with trials which has problems to stay below 1% must be the biggest scam and have the worst members area in the world.

Then again most companies doing revshare without trials never even come close to 100 Visa Chargebacks a month on their primary processor simly due to lack of size. So they don't have to worry about CBs in the first place

like they care...

good point

damn.....

why do we get so many idiots alerting us that to eat steak, you have to kill cows?

son, this business model might be a revelation to you but thats only because you're not very bright.

answer ONE question - why doesn't CCBILL allow pre-checked cross-sales?

Anyone know of mainstream sponsors using pre-checked cross-sells?

Technically true, but there are a number of ways to dilute chargebacks...

There are two ways to approach this business. You can see a demand for something you can easily provide and set out to satisfy it, or you can see a bunch of marks (surfers and/or webmasters) begging to be ripped off. You can make money either way, so the choice isn't dictated by business considerations: it's a reflection of the person making that choice.

Since I am an affiliate, that is the first thing which steers me away from those who opt for the second approach. People who make poor ethical choices are not generally fussy about exactly who gets the pointed stick in the eye and I'm not big on gambling that sponsors who jerk surfers around will treat their affiliates honestly. An equally pragmatic consideration is that, by and large, the programs which set out to make their customers happy are also the best when it comes to providing affiliates with support and the tools to do their job.

We are entering an interesting phase of online porn's development. Although someone can still sit down at his PC and call himself a webmaster, it is becoming harder and takes longer to develop any worthwhile income. The ceiling (for most webmasters) is also much lower than in the past. That must impact on the big-payout, win-a-Hummer, troll-GFY-for-newbies programs, because a lot of their sellers come from among startup webmasters.

Affiliates can work long-term with unethical programs, but in my experience it is much easier in the long run to make money with the ethical ones. I can focus on steadily building traffic streams, knowing that I'm not burning my visitors each time I send them to a sponsor. That is an ethical issue (for me) but it is also a practical one: it is much easier to keep visitors than rely solely on finding new ones and after a few years you get a nice stream of repeat sales to people who were happy the first time you sold them something. Add rebills into the picture too...

The alternative is a constant hunt for new traffic and always having to be swapping out burned out destinations for new ones. Obviously that model works too, but just keeping on top of what is hot is more work than my health would have allowed me to do in the last few years. If I had gone this route, I would have been out of the business long ago.

It is also interesting to see how little correlation there is between the top sponsors and the biggest customer sites. Although some big sponsors boast popular sites, many of the biggest don't have even one site that is well-known. All things being equal, can it really be logical to believe it is easier to sell unpopular sites than popular ones?

Okay, I know there are many other factors involved and back in the day I soaked up Andy Dunn's "Trix" as enthusiastically as anyone. But how many years can you work in a business, treating it as a short-term thing, before smart becomes stupid? Our environment has changed dramatically over the past 10 years: most of our traffic pool is now experienced surfers who have been burned at least once by an adult site; payment processing has tougher rules; legislators will not be leaving us alone any time soon. All of these are reasons to approach online porn as a legitimate business and not like a street-corner shell game.

And those who stubbornly hang on to yesterday's business model are no longer able to say it's the only way to make money. Plenty of people are out there now showing that up for the bullsh*t it is.

please talk to Pimpdogg about this.. thanks ;)

please talk to Pimpdogg about this.. thanks ;)