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Webmasters/submitters, what do you want in a program to be happy?

05-23-2006, 05:46 AM

what tools, etc. do you want to think,"ok, this is just what I need to make money"

Not pie in the sky, unrealistic stuff but bottom line, gonna help your business stuff.

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05-23-2006, 06:39 AM

I only do mainstream promotions so this may or may not apply. Maybe a program that would provide the capital, resources, manpower, and tools for webmasters to turn their ideas or small-scale tested traffic generation/conversion ideas into large-scale operations. In essence, each webmaster gets to focus on traffic and marketing innovation instead of being bogged down in operations work. The program and the webmaster become partners in turning marketing ideas into profitable reality.

I don't know how workable this is--there are obvious legal, operational, and tactical issues (how to deal with redundant ideas, cost benefit analysis for each initiative, etc etc). One thing's sure re implementation--definitely start very small, keep fine tuning and scale it up.

Just my 2c.

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05-23-2006, 06:47 AM

I like sponsors who provide us with "just add traffic" hubs, tools. I could just point whatever traffic or domains I had to yourhubsite.com/brujah and you'd filter it, and convert it.

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05-23-2006, 06:50 AM

IMO the market is saturated already with hundreds of affiliate programs and to stand out you need to make something truly unique and even if you include all the stuff people will say here they want, that won't automatically mean that your program will be succesfull.

^ this is just my personal opinion based on observation during sig-whoring, and should not be treated as advice, because polish_aristocrat could never give advice to the legendary 12clicks

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05-23-2006, 06:53 AM

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05-23-2006, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by polish_aristocrat

IMO the market is saturated already with hundreds of affiliate programs and to stand out you need to make something truly unique and even if you include all the stuff people will say here they want, that won't automatically mean that your program will be succesfull.

^ this is just my personal opinion based on observation during sig-whoring, and should not be treated as advice, because polish_aristocrat could never give advice to the legendary 12clicks

hahahaha.
nice disclaimer.
I'll worry about the successful end of things. I just want to see what the affiliates think are the most important tools.

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05-23-2006, 07:08 AM

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05-23-2006, 07:12 AM

Originally posted by u-Bob

decent banners (and not just the same old formats)

I was thinking this very thing this morning.

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05-23-2006, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by Juilan

Informative and complete stats, historical stats, and historical payouts. Campaign tracking.

good thing is when you are automatically logged in all he time

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05-23-2006, 07:28 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

what tools, etc. do you want to think,"ok, this is just what I need to make money"

Not pie in the sky, unrealistic stuff but bottom line, gonna help your business stuff.

Basically I think aff. programs have forgotten how IMPORTANT webmasters are. I want them to show me how much my 1 sale per week matters by giving me free hosting of their own content, free tgp submitting, free ad hosting, free SEO, free traffic, free tickets to conventions, free drinks and food while I'm there (because I'm a VIP) basically...

Actually I just want to go to the mailbox twice a month and collect a check. Any work I have to do beyond that, I'm just not interested in.

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05-23-2006, 07:33 AM

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05-23-2006, 08:04 AM

Exactly. Agree with Brujah.
It would be great to just have a place/url to send my traffic to.
No sponsor has a great landing page/system.
Best I've seen are those megadvd sites with various niches, still not good enough though.

How many seo guys and domainowners do you think a sponsor would attract if they had such a feature? Instead most focus on the higly profitable tgp's...

Most importantly: have raw click tracking as default. Nothing makes me more pissed off and suspicious than sponsors with join page tracking or any other kind of bullshit stats. I refuse to send them bulk traffic unless they got a unique product. They are untrustworthy.

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05-23-2006, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Troels

Most importantly: have raw click tracking as default. Nothing makes me more pissed off and suspicious than sponsors with join page tracking or any other kind of bullshit stats.

What he said.
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05-23-2006, 09:21 AM

Quality sites to promote.. Sites that are consistently updated as well as lots of fresh content to promote the sites with. Then of course good stats tracking and campaigns.

Quality content and consistent updates sell a site more than some BS hosted 404 pages and useless tools do. Personally I even think FHG's are almost getting useless now days. Between every other site out there using them and programs 404ing them it's almost a waste of time to use them IMO.

Just give out quality promo content and provide good tracking tools and let the webmasters figure out how to promote you. Then just spend your time and money updating your sites rather than providing useless tools that probably don't generate many sales anyway.

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05-23-2006, 09:42 AM

Focus on great sites and content rather than giving everything to the affiliates and put up with some pretty stupid requests from people that send 2 joins a month...
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05-23-2006, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by Troels

Exactly. Agree with Brujah.
It would be great to just have a place/url to send my traffic to.
No sponsor has a great landing page/system.
Best I've seen are those megadvd sites with various niches, still not good enough though.

you mean like a front end with say 15+ niches for the surfer to choose from or am I missing your point?

Originally posted by Troels

Most importantly: have raw click tracking as default. Nothing makes me more pissed off and suspicious than sponsors with join page tracking or any other kind of bullshit stats. I refuse to send them bulk traffic unless they got a unique product. They are untrustworthy.

well, you know with my background I'd think this is important too but is *anyone* actually giving you that?
If I were the only one, my 1:500 would look pretty silly compared to all the other guy's 1:50
and everyone isn't as bright as you are in seeing past that.
you know?
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05-23-2006, 09:55 AM

lots of quality content especially pics, complete stats and honest sponsor
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05-23-2006, 09:56 AM

I only want to push programs that dedicate a coder/developer to me to build me some spamware tools I don't already have done.

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Honestly though, I think the crowd these days just wants a contstant supply of fresh galleries to throw in their submitters or fake cj/tgps...and RSS feeds out the wazzu so they can feed their lil spammy blogs & sites.

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05-23-2006, 09:56 AM

good support, detailed statisctics raports, graphs
quality content to promote, alot of banners, gallery headers etc.
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05-23-2006, 10:14 AM

Quality sites that convert and retain members... Nothing else matters until you have that.

Exclusive content for promo is nice too.
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05-23-2006, 10:33 AM

you wanna see the perfect program www.PornoPushers.com I gave the affiliates everything. but I would have to say having Exclusive content is the key.
everything is a one click away stats, galleries, banners etc.

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05-23-2006, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

well, you know with my background I'd think this is important too but is *anyone* actually giving you that?
If I were the only one, my 1:500 would look pretty silly compared to all the other guy's 1:50
and everyone isn't as bright as you are in seeing past that.
you know?
thoughts?

You're right about that.
Everyone talks about conversion ratio this and conversion ratio that, but they're talking about 2nd page clicks so they're not always comparing apples to apples.
You almost "have" to show conversions using 2nd page clicks or else your numbers look shitty compared to everyone else's.

I see alot of revshare programs making a mistake this way when they offer 50/50 but the program eats the processing fees.
That's really the same as a 60/40 program where you split the fees, but most webmasters just see 50% as being lower than 60% and move on to the next program.

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05-23-2006, 10:51 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

you mean like a front end with say 15+ niches for the surfer to choose from or am I missing your point?

Yes something like that - if I knew exactly how to do it I would have.
Most of the seo players and domain players want to spend time on getting traffic/domains, not managing links and filtering.
But you need a big site portfolio to do as you suggest, so few sponsors can actually do that.

Originally posted by 12clicks

well, you know with my background I'd think this is important too but is *anyone* actually giving you that?
If I were the only one, my 1:500 would look pretty silly compared to all the other guy's 1:50
and everyone isn't as bright as you are in seeing past that.
you know?
thoughts?

Yes there are quite a few. We track outgoing and some sponsors do count raw. Many don't however, and it stinks of scam to me. (I've been thinking of making our counts public, but it will step on too many toes with no value to us).

If it's worth it is another question. Many idiots look at the sponsor count only but the people who see past the scam stats are probably the same people that can send you volume. But maybe I'm desperately mistaken (some big link list owners who do lots of volume and post their stats on boards use sponsor counts...).

If I had a program I'd make damn sure to let the webmasters know other programs are messing with their stats.

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05-23-2006, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by RogerV

you wanna see the perfect program www.PornoPushers.com I gave the affiliates everything. but I would have to say having Exclusive content is the key.
everything is a one click away stats, galleries, banners etc.

when your ready to trade traffic hit me up

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05-23-2006, 11:44 AM

Fresh content... Epass.
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05-23-2006, 11:51 AM

Sponsors that pay ... j/k! Fresh content, epassporte payments and several (and i mean SEVERAL) tours to choose.

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05-23-2006, 12:07 PM

Originally posted by 12clicks

you mean like a front end with say 15+ niches for the surfer to choose from

I would think it more productive to offer those 15 niches as separate "free sites" to forward traffic to.

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05-23-2006, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by mardigras

I would think it more productive to offer those 15 niches as separate "free sites" to forward traffic to.

I think it would probably be a simple enough thing to have several different formats to choose from.
as was said earlier, some SEO guys might just want a setup similar to what the domain parking guys are doing. get the surfer their thru the search engine on a general "porn" thing and then niche them down to make a sale.

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05-23-2006, 01:31 PM

Few of you mention that exclusive content is the key . I personally don't think it is , you guys heard of wildcash ? That program is on fire the content is not exclusive its all dvd content . Same with pornaccess its an amazing program with all dvd content as well .
The most important tool that webmasters want is sites that convert.

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05-23-2006, 01:40 PM

Hmm. My short list of things I like to see in a program would include:

Killer exclusive content (really good interesting stuff with a good hook)
Sites that are high in surfer appeal
Good plentiful array of free-hosted galleries (pic fhg's AND movie fhg's)
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Long-term-thinking program that isn't going to close down in a year or two
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05-23-2006, 01:49 PM

I really like it when I can send alot of traffic to a program and then they call me a russian cheater and don't pay me.

Do you have any experience with this? Or is it something you could learn to do?

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05-23-2006, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Lenny2

I see alot of revshare programs making a mistake this way when they offer 50/50 but the program eats the processing fees.
That's really the same as a 60/40 program where you split the fees, but most webmasters just see 50% as being lower than 60% and move on to the next program.

I thought a lot about this. I have 50% on my site but I pay all processing fees, so the 50% is real. Yet, I got over 2000 affiliates within a year and half with very few advertising costs. So maybe honesty pays off in the long run.
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05-23-2006, 01:55 PM

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05-23-2006, 01:55 PM

great all this industry needs is a 12 clicks coming into fuck things up even more.

talk about spyware and ransomwarte?

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05-23-2006, 01:57 PM

i just want a sponsor that counts every click and sale.. is that too much to ask?
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05-23-2006, 02:15 PM

Oh yeah, and none of this "fee" shit. Cheque-printing fee, processing fee, handling fee, the fee for not charging me a fee fee,

There are plenty of programs that just pay their affiliates what hey earned, and nothing else is on the statements. I'm not one to quibble about a few bucks here and there but it's become a small peeve of mine to see so many other programs nickle-and-diming their affiliates with the fees.

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05-23-2006, 02:26 PM

Aside from all the obvious things, the one thing many programs lack is text/information to work with. Bloggers and such really need that.

Also, with the rapid growth of review sites, some automated temp pass thing for affiliates would be nice. When reviewing sites, all the mailing back and forth as well as waiting for replies wastes way too much time.

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05-23-2006, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by andrej_NDC

I thought a lot about this. I have 50% on my site but I pay all processing fees, so the 50% is real. Yet, I got over 2000 affiliates within a year and half with very few advertising costs. So maybe honesty pays off in the long run.

I never said anything about being honest or dishonest. I was simply saying that if you're doing 50/50 and eating the fees you should point that out to potential affiliates in LARGE BOLD TEXT so they know this.
It might even be a good idea to spell out for them exactly how many dollars and cents they'll pocket per rebill. Just so they can compare apples and apples.

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05-23-2006, 02:55 PM

well this is it but wont happen, "select" affiliates get content/fhg.. that other's dont, so you dont see the same old shit on every tgp - blog .ect

it's kinda hard to do this unless you have content out the wazooo.

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05-23-2006, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by punkworld

Aside from all the obvious things, the one thing many programs lack is text/information to work with. Bloggers and such really need that.

Also, with the rapid growth of review sites, some automated temp pass thing for affiliates would be nice. When reviewing sites, all the mailing back and forth as well as waiting for replies wastes way too much time.

It is an amazing thing that since what, 1998-ish, everyone knows banners are dead, text is king. Yet very few sponsors pay more than lip-service to the notion in practise.

Something else which is more than faintly ludicrous is that the best tools - customs ads, restricted content, etc - are (when available at all) usually kept for the biggest affiliates: those who need them least because they have the knowledge and resources to provide their own. The standard of assistance provided for newbies is generally dismal.

We cannot seem to shake off the notion that in this business it's every man for himself, yet what is the point of running an affiliate program unless you try to make everyone in it earn money. Okay, so it's tough they cannot earn for the sponsor without earning for themselves, but no-one said this is a perfect world. It's simply too wasteful and expensive to be constantly appealing to the whole webmaster community for affiliates, and then leave it entirely to chance whether they work out (for you).

Seriously, the first thing I would do if I ran an affiliate program would be to start classes in some shape or form and provide the tools I know people need, rather than whatever happens to be convenient and traditional. Follow the principle of the Catholic Church about "give me a child by the age of..." to build some loyalty and trust. Keep promo material fresh and delete stuff which isn't working. Make the webmaster area as fast and easy to use as possible. Answer emails. Check out affiliates sites and offer them advice if you can see anything wrong. Etc. Etc.

In short, this industry needs to get away from the hands-off, commission-only sales mentality and start working more like the franchise world, which recognizes that it is in the brand owner's interest to ensure that the people selling his stuff do the best job possible. Forget prizes, extra-payout days and the rest, which end up mostly as unworked-for bonuses for affiliates who are already doing well: put the money into developing proactive affiliate support.
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05-23-2006, 04:00 PM

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05-23-2006, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Lenny2

I never said anything about being honest or dishonest. I was simply saying that if you're doing 50/50 and eating the fees you should point that out to potential affiliates in LARGE BOLD TEXT so they know this.
It might even be a good idea to spell out for them exactly how many dollars and cents they'll pocket per rebill. Just so they can compare apples and apples.

thats a good idea, I have it there somewhere, just not that visible
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05-23-2006, 08:36 PM

Originally posted by jayeff

In short, this industry needs to get away from the hands-off, commission-only sales mentality and start working more like the franchise world, which recognizes that it is in the brand owner's interest to ensure that the people selling his stuff do the best job possible. Forget prizes, extra-payout days and the rest, which end up mostly as unworked-for bonuses for affiliates who are already doing well: put the money into developing proactive affiliate support.

Somebody mod this guy up. He is brilliant.

I come from the mainstream industry where stats and information related to the affiliate is delivered back to the affiliate.

I crunch numbers for a living and if I cannot crunch your numbers, I go elsewhere. And as to shaving... if your numbers don't match my numbers within reason... I don't complain... I just leave. It's harsh but I don't want to waste my time.

So, give me an API to count and track stats so that I don't have to scrape. If your program/site works, I can generate tons of good traffic.

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05-23-2006, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by punkworld

Aside from all the obvious things, the one thing many programs lack is text/information to work with. Bloggers and such really need that.

Also, with the rapid growth of review sites, some automated temp pass thing for affiliates would be nice. When reviewing sites, all the mailing back and forth as well as waiting for replies wastes way too much time.

I remember when I was promoting True Cash many years back they had (maybe still do) a temp pass thing You could get a temp pass just by clicking in the webmaster admin area.. I'm sure that somrthing like this would be easy to implement.

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05-23-2006, 10:17 PM

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05-23-2006, 11:18 PM

Originally posted by Juilan

Informative and complete stats, historical stats, and historical payouts. Campaign tracking.

Ditto...

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05-23-2006, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by CDSmith

Oh yeah, and none of this "fee" shit. Cheque-printing fee, processing fee, handling fee, the fee for not charging me a fee fee,

There are plenty of programs that just pay their affiliates what hey earned, and nothing else is on the statements. I'm not one to quibble about a few bucks here and there but it's become a small peeve of mine to see so many other programs nickle-and-diming their affiliates with the fees.

Hey, you asked. :D

I dont mind splitting the CC processing fee, but one of my sponsors charges a $2.95 fee per check and that just plain sucks balls.

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05-24-2006, 01:48 AM

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05-24-2006, 03:16 AM

Free traffic will do

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#50

05-24-2006, 04:33 AM

Originally posted by CDSmith

Owner of program will fly and give personal hug to any affiliate doing 100 signups or more in a month

I think this one is do-able.

especially if you're good looking

and have nice boobs

not man boobs

I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.
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