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What do you use most : PPS or RevShare? (Serious thread)

05-17-2006, 06:37 PM

I'm always debating whether I should try going for Revshare or PPS.

Sometimes I'm attracted by the continous income of Revshare, but 10 or 12$ per sale is so depressing when you're first starting out. It takes awhile to build up a steady stream of income. But, on the other hand, when you've built up a good base number of members that rebill, the money is pretty damn sweet.

On the other hand, the instant gratification of a PPS (35 to 50$ or whatever) is also pretty tempting.

I wanna hear what you guys think, what strategies you adopt and specifically WHY you use them.

Also, I'd like to hear a few success stories from you guys, hell, Stats would be even better

Oh, and post whores or spammers who have nothing to contribute, please don't reply in this thread, I don't want to join your program... thank you

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05-17-2006, 06:43 PM

pps whenever possible i like my $$$ today not tomorow.

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05-17-2006, 06:47 PM

pps when your first starting out...

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05-17-2006, 06:51 PM

Any of you care to elaborate a bit more?

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05-17-2006, 06:52 PM

I love to build up a nice recurring revenue stream. average over $60/signup and under 1:100 with targeted linklist/tgp traffic. Please don't ask me about the sponsor or niche guys as I don't want it saturated...

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05-17-2006, 06:52 PM

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05-17-2006, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by Paparazzi

I love to build up a nice recurring revenue stream. average over $60/signup and under 1:100 with targeted linklist/tgp traffic. Please don't ask me about the sponsor or niche guys as I don't want it saturated...

Wait, 60$/signup on Revshare? is that 60$ PER signup and reccurring each month? or is it an estimate of 60$ per member rebilling for 3-4 months on average?

if its 60$/signup on Revshare, holy shit, I wanna promote that shit too!

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05-17-2006, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by NoWhErE

Wait, 60$/signup on Revshare? is that 60$ PER signup and reccurring each month? or is it an estimate of 60$ per member rebilling for 3-4 months on average?

if its 60$/signup on Revshare, holy shit, I wanna promote that shit too!

sorry I meant over $60/member on average

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05-17-2006, 07:08 PM

I use PPS more... but now I started to mix both PPS and RevShare

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05-17-2006, 07:10 PM

that should depend mostly on your traffic source and what ROI you require monthly to grow your traffic base.

different traffic sources often rebill at varying rates
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05-17-2006, 07:12 PM

I usually use PPS too

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05-17-2006, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

that should depend mostly on your traffic source and what ROI you require monthly to grow your traffic base.

different traffic sources often rebill at varying rates

Ok, so say someone that exclusively submits galleries to TGPs. Do you recommend Revshare or PPS?

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05-17-2006, 07:30 PM

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Ok, so say someone that exclusively submits galleries to TGPs. Do you recommend Revshare or PPS?

it depends:

if the niche you're submitting in is a 'small' niche with comparatively few competing sites; if the niche attracts a very loyal following (such as bondage, some fetishes, bdsm etc); if the site has a truly large member's section with very nice content; then it will likely rebill very well and revshare would probably generate the most over time

if it doesn't fall into the above, and the site is unlikely to rebill as well (reality sites, 'shock' sites, or anything else that people might get a 5 minute thrill from, then wonder why they just spent $40 to beat off...) you're probably better off with PPS.

however if you're spending alot of money on submit passes and paid spots every month, which seems to be a given anymore, you might be better off with PPS in either case since those cut into your profit margin alot. if your plan requires you to reinvest lots of your capital every month into submit passes then you should have that money available at the end of the first month, not spread out over several months (at best).
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05-17-2006, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

it depends:

if the niche you're submitting in is a 'small' niche with comparatively few competing sites; if the niche attracts a very loyal following (such as bondage, some fetishes, bdsm etc); if the site has a truly large member's section with very nice content; then it will likely rebill very well and revshare would probably generate the most over time

if it doesn't fall into the above, and the site is unlikely to rebill as well (reality sites, 'shock' sites, or anything else that people might get a 5 minute thrill from, then wonder why they just spent $40 to beat off...) you're probably better off with PPS.

however if you're spending alot of money on submit passes and paid spots every month, which seems to be a given anymore, you might be better off with PPS in either case since those cut into your profit margin alot. if your plan requires you to reinvest lots of your capital every month into submit passes then you should have that money available at the end of the first month, not spread out over several months (at best).

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05-17-2006, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

it depends:

if the niche you're submitting in is a 'small' niche with comparatively few competing sites; if the niche attracts a very loyal following (such as bondage, some fetishes, bdsm etc); if the site has a truly large member's section with very nice content; then it will likely rebill very well and revshare would probably generate the most over time

if it doesn't fall into the above, and the site is unlikely to rebill as well (reality sites, 'shock' sites, or anything else that people might get a 5 minute thrill from, then wonder why they just spent $40 to beat off...) you're probably better off with PPS.

however if you're spending alot of money on submit passes and paid spots every month, which seems to be a given anymore, you might be better off with PPS in either case since those cut into your profit margin alot. if your plan requires you to reinvest lots of your capital every month into submit passes then you should have that money available at the end of the first month, not spread out over several months (at best).

Now I have another question for you : What do you think about programs that have like 500 sites underneath them, but its all bought DVD stuff... you know, the same smut we see everywhere? I don't wanna name names, but I think we all know to what programs I'm referring to.

Do you think its better to Revshare or PPS? Will the surfer spend months wacking off to the plethora of porn? Or will he just say : "This shit is all the same, BOOO-o-ORING!"?

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05-17-2006, 07:45 PM

PPS to start, then split PPS/Revshare if sales look good.

Only deal with sponsors who show you real raw/uniques so you can reconcile your own outbound traffic to make sure all of it is getting to your sponsor and being counted.
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05-17-2006, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by dcortez

PPS to start, then split PPS/Revshare if sales look good.

Only deal with sponsors who show you real raw/uniques so you can reconcile your own outbound traffic to make sure all of it is getting to your sponsor and being counted.

and how do I find out which sponsors are showing me real raw/unique clicks?

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05-17-2006, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by NoWhErE

Now I have another question for you : What do you think about programs that have like 500 sites underneath them, but its all bought DVD stuff... you know, the same smut we see everywhere? I don't wanna name names, but I think we all know to what programs I'm referring to.

Do you think its better to Revshare or PPS? Will the surfer spend months wacking off to the plethora of porn? Or will he just say : "This shit is all the same, BOOO-o-ORING!"?

I have no experience with those type of sites, but I would guess that they don't rebill as well as a niche specific site, but probably better than other types of sites with less content.
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05-17-2006, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

I have no experience with those type of sites, but I would guess that they don't rebill as well as a niche specific site, but probably better than other types of sites with less content.

I'd say thats a fair assumption

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05-17-2006, 08:19 PM

Depends on the site...if I have a good feeling that it's not updated frequently and/or likely won't retain subscribers I go with pps.

Also, if initially I have opted for revshare and my first 1-2 signups don't rebill I automatically change my links to pps.

I always choose/promote revshare with WEBCAMS if that option is available, because unlike monthly billed paysites you can make a lot more coin when your signups are constantly spending cash throughout the pay cycle.

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05-17-2006, 08:27 PM

I just sort of go on a site by site basis. I feel that I'm sort of in tune with my surfers, and we feel the same about what we wanna see, so I scope out the site and see if it is something that I would stay a member of. Case in point, there is one site that I totally love, so I go with RevShare on it. Since I started promoting it, I'm at 1:75 with 104 sign-ups, 88 rebills, and only 2 chargebacks. Another sponsor that I've been promoting about the same amount of time, I've only made 57 sign ups with (all PPS) and made right around the same amount of money.

So I guess it just comes down to knowing your surfer, and knowing the site. If it's something that you think will retain, go with RevShare...if not, go with PPS.
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05-17-2006, 08:29 PM

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05-17-2006, 08:30 PM

Originally posted by NTSS

I always choose/promote revshare with WEBCAMS if that option is available, because unlike monthly billed paysites you can make a lot more coin when your signups are constantly spending cash throughout the pay cycle.

Yeah, what he said too. I'm just now getting into promoting cams, but my experience so far is that some guys will stay on there all day and just keep hitting the "buy more tokens". So I would say ALWAYS go with RevShare on cams if you can.
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05-17-2006, 08:34 PM

Originally posted by NoWhErE

and how do I find out which sponsors are showing me real raw/unique clicks?

Just look at your sponsor-provided stats and compare their 'clicks' to your own count.

You ARE counting your outbound clicks aren't you?
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05-17-2006, 08:34 PM

PPS is guaranteed money right away, Revshare you have to wait and wait and wait, and hope it recurrs

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05-17-2006, 08:55 PM

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PPS is guaranteed money right away, Revshare you have to wait and wait and wait, and hope it recurrs

Thank you for stating the blatantly obvious information I gave in my initial post...

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05-17-2006, 08:57 PM

i doo PPS ... i hate trials

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05-17-2006, 08:57 PM

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Just look at your sponsor-provided stats and compare their 'clicks' to your own count.

You ARE counting your outbound clicks aren't you?

Hmmm, quite honestly, and I know I'm gonna get flamed for this : No I haven't.

I don't have a stats tracker on my galleries and I haven't noticed an outbound link stat in my server stats.

Quite honestly, I haven't given it much thought considering the 2 sponsors I promote (haven't been submitting for very long mind you, I'm still a newbie) are 2 very trustworthy people with whom I have been working for awhile now. So I had no reason to even doubt they'd be shaving or something like that

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05-17-2006, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by NoWhErE

.. No I haven't.

I don't have a stats tracker on my galleries and I haven't noticed an outbound link stat in my server stats.

Not all sponsors are equal and not all financially successful sponsors got that way by being 'honest'.
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05-17-2006, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by dcortez

Not all sponsors are equal and not all financially successful sponsors got that way by being 'honest'.

I agree with you 100%

any recommendations for stats trackers on Galleries?

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05-17-2006, 09:20 PM

Originally posted by AmateurFlix

it depends:

if the niche you're submitting in is a 'small' niche with comparatively few competing sites; if the niche attracts a very loyal following (such as bondage, some fetishes, bdsm etc); if the site has a truly large member's section with very nice content; then it will likely rebill very well and revshare would probably generate the most over time

if it doesn't fall into the above, and the site is unlikely to rebill as well (reality sites, 'shock' sites, or anything else that people might get a 5 minute thrill from, then wonder why they just spent $40 to beat off...) you're probably better off with PPS.

however if you're spending alot of money on submit passes and paid spots every month, which seems to be a given anymore, you might be better off with PPS in either case since those cut into your profit margin alot. if your plan requires you to reinvest lots of your capital every month into submit passes then you should have that money available at the end of the first month, not spread out over several months (at best).

Exactly what he said! You gotta know your traffic and where you send them. If you have a very targetted surfer and you send them to a specified niche (and a TRUSTED, RELIABLE program) then definitely take revshare. For the most case, I choose PPC, because who knows what the fuck is going to happen to this industry tomorrow. IMHO its better to take all the money you can get out of it now and reinvest it wisely into something else ... realestate, stocks, bonds, baseball cards, whatever ;)

good luck man

oh yeah, and diversification is key! Dont put all your eggs in one basket.

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05-17-2006, 09:27 PM

I use PPS bc. you would be surprised with all the upsells all these companies are doing. I've seen some sites that make you sick with the amount of uspsells.
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05-17-2006, 09:29 PM

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I use PPS bc. you would be surprised with all the upsells all these companies are doing. I've seen some sites that make you sick with the amount of uspsells.

So... Get your pay right away and let the program profit off of the upsales?

I don't get it.

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05-17-2006, 09:34 PM

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So... Get your pay right away and let the program profit off of the upsales?

I don't get it.

I think he's saying that the programs are working very hard to sell your surfer to another program instead of working hard to keep them on-board. These type programs tend not to rebill worth a shit.
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05-17-2006, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by Verbal

I think he's saying that the programs are working very hard to sell your surfer to another program instead of working hard to keep them on-board. These type programs tend not to rebill worth a shit.

yep.

I've seen sites with TGP's in the member's section lol
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05-17-2006, 09:39 PM

pps when you don't know the niche and can't tell the quaility of site to it's subscribers

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05-17-2006, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by Verbal

I think he's saying that the programs are working very hard to sell your surfer to another program instead of working hard to keep them on-board. These type programs tend not to rebill worth a shit.

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05-17-2006, 09:40 PM

Traffic specific for me. If the source has scored some rebills or whales then it goes to revshare.

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05-17-2006, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by Verbal

I think he's saying that the programs are working very hard to sell your surfer to another program instead of working hard to keep them on-board. These type programs tend not to rebill worth a shit.

No shit! I've never seen a program do that, so I wasn't aware that some people practiced that kinda stuff

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05-17-2006, 10:13 PM

PPS if you are starting out or have a cashflow problem, i have always opted for Revshare as the months when traffic or conversions have been low you still get that gauranteed income

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05-17-2006, 11:45 PM

PPS, i only heavily promote 2-3 revshare programs.
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