TGP2 was born on this board. Have you tried it? Why? Why not?
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Yep... I tried it. No thanks. I'll stick with TGP1.SIG TOO BIG -
Tried with just 1 gallery some weeks ago. I didn't get any signups, but I think I'll try again.
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Amputate,
Why?
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Colin, to be brutally honest, I get more traffic to one badly-made regular TGP gallery page with a crappy bottom-of-the-page listing, than I do with 20 well-made TGP2 gallerys. There is absolutely no incentive for me to ever make another one. I'm not saying TGP2 doesn't work for you or someone else, but from what I experienced: I tried it... it didn't even come close to working... so I moved on.SIG TOO BIGComment
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Amputate,
Share some numbers with me.
What is your average click-through rate for TGP1 galleries? The click-through-rate from gallery to sponsor I mean.
Also, what do other people get for CTR on TGP1 galleries? The more the merrier. I'd like to see the whole range.
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CTR is way higher with TGP2 than TGP1.
I'll make another gallery to see how it works now.
I don't give a fuck how many hits I get. If I get just 100 hits to the gallery and 1 signup I'll be very happy
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Jer,
To be honest, I only make about $5-$10/gallery profit per TGP2 right now.
With more traffic, soon this will be higher.
What I want to know is: what are the average CTR for TGP1 gallery makers? With this info, I can make a comparison and see how far TGP2 has to go.
TGP = incredible CTR. Traffic growing 15%+/week will get us there in no time.
Whoever got the brilliant idea to send LESS traffic to the sponsor? This is what has made TGP1 such a pain in the ass!
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Colin,
Since I put the price in my text links, the CTR at my TGP1 galleries are very low. But the conversions are great, about 1:100
Hope someone posts the info you need
Jer
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Jer,
Yeah .. I've heard that works well.
I got 18% CTR on a TGP2 gallery yesterday but only about 1500 hits. That's about 270 hits to free email sponsor. $10/day. That's $3650 extra per year. easy work. When TGP2 is twice as big, that's an extra $7k/ year. When it gets 4 times as big. An extra $14k/year for one gallery/day. People forget that a $4k/year raise is pretty good. Take every dollar now while you can.
In the last week alone, TGP2 has grown 15%. With compund growth, it is set to double in about another 5 weeks.
Building a TGP2 gallery takes about 1/2 the time to build as a TGP1. It requires less content.
As of right now, you will probably make less than you do with TGP1 galleries. It's about building relationships with those that are going to be the biggest TGP2s though. Then you'll have the sweet spots when we get those doubles, triples, and quads.
See http://www.tgp2stats.com http://www.tgp2counter.com
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Colin is right!
Less bandwidth used and more sales. I can't argue with that. I am going to pump a lot of SE traffic in to the TGP2 in the coming weeks/months and make my TGP2 grow.
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Well, I don't claim to be a TGP2 expert even a little bit, but I just think you guys are lookin' at it from the wrong end... "less bandwidth and more sales" is from a webmaster's view, not a surfer's... and I know it's not our job to "like" the surfer, but they are the reason we're here at all, so if you look at it from a freeloader's perspective, given a choice between a site (gallery) with 20-25 free pics, and a site (gallery) with 7 or 8, Murphy's Law is always going to tell me that the freeloader is gonna take the one with more free pics.Originally posted by McSpike:
Less bandwidth used and more sales. I can't argue with that.
I recognize that you TGP2 guys have some very good arguments as to why it will work, but I think ultimately, it comes down to how the human mind works, and the mind of a freeloading surfer is always going to choose the one he can get the most from for the least amount of money.
Additionally, I think that if there was some way to get every webmaster out there to convert to TGP2, then it would work fantastically! Because the surfers wouldn't really have any other option at that point. But.... (and it's a big one...) that will never happen. Because of my "Climbing out from under the pile" theory:
Let's suppose that all webmasters were TGP2 tomorrow. TGP1 was gone. Well... somewhere, someone is still going to be getting crap traffic to his gallerys. Someone has to be at the bottom of the food chain. And eventually, that guy (or several guys) is going to either give up and go back to clerking at 7 Eleven, or he's gonna do something to bring himself more traffic. And what might that be?
More free pictures. And the cycle starts all over again.
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Amputate,
Being very imvolved in TGP2, Ihave REALLY learned a lot about how a new free site movement gets going and it has been rather fascinating. It had really been many years for me as I was out of our business for a while.
What surprised me is that people actually bookmark and return to the sites. On my sites, my bookmark rates are good even compared to my TGP1s. I only list galleries that have 5 thumbs only though. I do not list the unlinked thumbs galleries.
I think that modem surfers, AOL and such, are happy with the fast-loading 5 thumb galleries. A 25 pic TGP1 gallery can download dreadfully slow on a dial-up connection. In that way, I think TGP2 is superior to TGP1 in a head-to-head contest.
I think that some of the other TGP2 sites are not gathering the bookmarkers as fast. This is just a guess. This may be because of the unlinked thumbs that in my opinion annoy the surfer.
In spite of this, TGP2 grows pretty fast. I think it could grow faster. But it's been fast enough for the short time it's been up.
At any rate, I think many dialup surfers get frustrated waiting for those slower loading TGP1 galleries to load. This is what I think is going on so far.
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There's good arguments on both, however I think TGP2 might out perform TGP1 in the long run, not in popularity but profitability.
Mainly because of the argument TGP1 supporters use, and that is freeloaders (or bookmarkers as alot of people call them
) won't be as prevalent to tgp2 site, which means you might not have as many surfers but the quality will be better.
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"so if you look at it from a freeloader's perspective, given a choice between a site (gallery) with 20-25 free pics, and a site (gallery) with 7 or 8, Murphy's Law is always going to tell me that the freeloader is gonna take the one with more free pics."
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Well, I do... very few actually start out as 'buyers'. They start as 'freeloaders' and become buyers. When was the last time you went straight to a site (any site...) and bought the first thing you saw?Those freeloaders aren't called buyers so who needs em?
Rather, I would say, the buyers have paid for their memberships and are now surfing inside some paysite somewhere. Who needs them? They're no longer much good to me. They've been sold already. I want the freeloaders who haven't signed up for anything yet to bust out the CC.
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kimmykim: Give me all your freeloaders and I'll be very happy...
A freeloader might not buy as soon as he enters the site, but one day, when he'll find a really good site to join, he will join...
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I really hope TGP2 does well in the future and get 500% more traffic... but right now I'm waiting for it and still doing TGP."There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die." -Hunter S. ThompsonComment
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Remember the guys that make TGP1's and TGP2's?? There's more money to be made for a TGP1 Webmaster ( The guy who actually builds the TGP) than a TGP2 Webmaster because his profits reside solely on the quantity of traffic. So there's less incentive for someone to build a TGP2 when they can make more money building a TGP1.
Less TGP2's=Even less trafic for the TGP2 gallerymakers. It might be growing now in its infancy, but ultimately the TGP2 webmaster (unless his head is up his ass) will realize he can much more $$$ if he only allows TGP1 type galleries. 20-25 Pics.
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So anyway, the only reason it's growing right now is because it's new and the guys who build the actual TGP2's are testing the waters and building up their traffic. Eventually they'll see the bottom line sucks and go back to TGP1. When that happens, TGP2 will be dead. I give it 6 months. Tops.Comment
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Unchilled,
For someone starting out (the large majority of people in TGP2) do you think THEY make more money building a TGP1 than a TGP2? Why? Why not?
I've done pretty well in TGP1 but I think someone starting out would be better starting a TGP2.
You might get less traffic in the long run, but you're also not giving away so many damned free pics. This is the whole point about TGP2. Less free pics = educate the surfer that they have to buy free porn.
I think that a TGP2 gallery is the equivalent of a TGP1 gallery 10x large. I don't have a ratio figured for my TGP2 sites yet. I don't even have full sponsors on them yet.
I can say this; when TGP2 first started 60 days ago there was HUGE talk against it. Now the talk on the other side has moved to "maybe" I think the odds have improved. So far, we've seen that some things work at least part of the way.
TGP2s exist in a TGP1 vacuum. There are hardly any connections to TGP1. The largest TGP2s are about 10k after 60 days. I don't know how large, say Adult Buffett was after 60 days. I would like to know. Would make an interesting comparison.
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Of course, you'll always have the guys who build the TGP2's just to pump traffic into their own TGP2 galleries. Those guys might last a little longer. Still, it just won't have the traffic backing to take off. Or maybe it will. I don't fucking know. I'm going to sleep.Comment
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Colin,
I don't argue that a TGP2 doesn't educate a surfer that he has to pay for good porn. Im sure it does.
What you don't understand, is that the TGP1 webmasters make their own rules. They manipulate their sites in such a fashion as to get the highest CTR out of their surfers. I really don't think the "education" we talk about carries over to the TGP1 itself. It only improves the CTR for the sponsors on the galleries, which the TGP1 webmaster doesn't give a shit about.
I know for a fact that the CTR on a TGP1's pages are much higher than the galleries on a TGP1.
Will a guy first starting out make more building a TGP2 rather than a TGP1? Maybe. Maybe not. If he's good, he'll be able to convert both about the same. In the long run, however, the lack of traffic will drive him to have higher quality galleries. (unless he just doesn't realize the potential)
The big boys will never change. Hun,Zilla,Buffet,etc.. and they will end up getting more traffic.
Plain and simple: The higher the quality of galleries a TGP webmaster posts, the more money he can make. The "education" only applies to the galleries themselves, which makes no $$$ for the actual TGP webamster.Comment
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See next post :P
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Then simply run a TGP2 and place your own galleries on it in all the good spots
That is a simple solution.
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Personally, I herald the ideas that drive the TGP2 movement. An attempt to get back to the days of 1995-6-7. When I hear webmasters could do onwards of 1:100s easily to sponsors. The milk wasnt available without the purchase of the cow. Why not back a movement designed to go back to the golden days of adult webmastering? Why continue to give more and more away for free...showing surfers how easy they can have 10000 pics for free just by visiting a one page website?
As many of you may not like to believe, the immense amount of free porn HAS a huge affect on overall conversion ratios for the adult webmaster in all areas. TGP2 is powered by the idea of getting first time surfers who do not know of Hun, Zilla, etc and keeping them uneducated of these Huge porn giveaways. The movement will be work, but just an hour working on it a day could make all the difference in a few months. Imagine going to your sponsors msg board and seeing posts like "my ratio is 1:400 are the stats broken? I'm usually 1:80!?!"
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Unriz3n,
Exactly. And while 1996 will, in my opinion, never return. We can maybe get half way there.
Some other issues like cc scrubbing and webmaster/surfer ratio have taken their toll too. Free content has absolutely killed us.
Anything that attempts to solve one of these problems should be looked at very enthusiastically. Maybe someone else will solve cc issues.
Signups are highest where there is the least free content and lowest where there is none. Type ins are very high. No content. SEs are high. Little content. TGPs are very low. Lots of free content.
TGP2 does not aim to go head to head with TGP1. It's an in-between. Aiming to combine less content with high traffic. It does not, at least initially, aim to to garner as much traffic as TGP1. That is no one's goal or thought. The idea is to make it work on it's own.
Can there exist an intermediary, TGP2, that by combining high traffic, but not the highest, with less content, but not the least, in such a way that a TGP2 gallery becomes more profitable than a TGP1 gallery? That is the question.
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Speak for yourself, Colin. I sure as hell want the traffic to my site to grow. I'm not deluding myself into thinking about 1 million views a day, but 200,000 should be reachable. That's certainly TGP1 territory. BTW, the largest TGP2's are above 10K. Some are well beyond...but you knew that alreadyIt does not, at least initially, aim to to garner as much traffic as TGP1. That is no one's goal or thought.
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I find it hard to beleive that tgp2 traffic
is ever groing to grow...
why would surfers want to surf tgp2 galleries... if they can get hot free porn on tgp1 like al4a ?
it seems to me that tgp2 is no differenet
then pop-up cj's, or cj2 , or toplists...
all of them are ideas for webmasters
they were hot when they started but eventually they slowly faded away...
that's because they piss off surfers...
so far the most succesful sites that made it over the years are the ones that surfers like .. pk, greenguy, thumbzilla, al4a, hun
the same in the paysites... in order to survive one must be top quality
I can't see how tgp2 is quality...
when I build sites I try to respect surfers as people, not as stats...
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everyone is choosing to wait for it to get more popular, instead of supporting this nice movement
please dont be so selfish
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"I want the freeloaders who haven't signed up for anything yet to bust out the CC"
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Stop crying, you're wrong.
There is no better customer than one with a valid credit card who'll pay for porn.
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Top TGP2 at 20k/day. Next two over 10k/day.
See http://www.tgp2stats.com
good for such a limited time.
KK .. hi! We'll work on getting rid of free pics. Who will work on cc scrub?
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Sorry .. TGP2 stats are here: http://www.tgp2stats.com/tgp2c/index_t50.php
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Colin
Our scrub works just fine, someone needs to talk to the cardholders about paying their bill and not going over their limits
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Not only do the topsites have GOOD traffic, the overall 'movement' has grown from 112274 exactly 1 week ago, to well over 144k today!
It also AVERAGES over 1300 visits a day PER TGP2.
Not bad, in fact, better than some normal sites!!
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KK .. I *KNOW* yours does. What about everyone else? Is CC scrub a problem for industry?
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We don't use negative db as the basis for our scrubs so we do quite nicely.
I can't speak for anyone else, you know that
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KK .. yes .. well everyone knows you guys are the best!
I have heard that others have some problems with cc scrub. I have heard that it is as big of a problem as free pics glut.
Maybe they overstated the problem? I dunno. I am not involved in cc's at all.
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LudeDude,
200k is definitely not out of the question for a TGP2 site at some point in the future.
Strictly from a trading point of view, you can gauge the health of TGP2 by looking at the whole distribution. The largest TGP2 is 20k. Then there ae two that are 10k. Number 10 is 3k.
When number 10 gets to 10k, then you have a lot of "push". As the top sites grow, it attracts more and more people. As more people come, it in turn grows TGP2 more and then in turn attracts more people. This even larger size attracts more sponsors, more hosts, spacial deals, etc. which fuels it even more.
Thi is where we are now.
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[This message has been edited by Colin (edited 10-03-2001).]
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Are you people blind to logic or what???
TGP 1 = 1 gallery 20 pics a 20kb per pic and 2 kb per thumbnail 1 banner a 15kb and the page itself with text a 10 kb
TGP1 on avareage gives 20k x 65 kb = 1.3 Gig without loading teh big pics a day
On average 5 pics are viewed a 20 kb per pic so we gaet
5 x 20 = 100kb x 20k = 2 Gigs a day
Total 3.3 Gigs a day on a clean average gallery without any recips.
TGP 2 = 1 gallery with 5 pics a 20 kb and 5 thumbs a 5kb because they are larger ne banner or FPA a 60kb on average
On average you get 2k from a TGP2 gallery in traffic so we get
85kb x 2k = 0.17 gig a day
5 pics a 20 kb =100kb x 2k = 0.2 Gigs a day
Total 0.37 gigs a day
Compared to tgp 1 TGP2 has decreased your BW bill by 2.93 gigs a day!
Now it is a proven fact that productivity on TGP2 galleries is a lot better then with TGP1 and by my own experience I can get one sign up per day from 2k to a TGP2 gallery atm.
I used ARS, Stiffy and Gamma all produced the same ratio's and till now I have 335 TGP2 galleries out there and the average of 1 sign up a day remains with peaks to 2 sign ups a day.
That's with submitting 1 gallery a day and except 15 gallies I submitted as Wolfshade I submitted the rest under another nick, IP and email in order to avoid getting special treatments as I know most TGP2 webmasters very well.
I also know I can produce 1 sign up a day from TGP1 traffic with 20k a day so I think this comparison is a valid one.
I can do much better with TGP1 but then I would be slapping the surfer around CJ style on a second page. This test was about quality and so I compared it with regular galleries with links straight to the sponsor.
Now I can conclude that I can do the same with 2k of TGP2 traffic what I used to do with 20k of TGP1 traffic.
Can we do the math on what I saved on BW?
Now imagine if I would submit 15 TGP2 galleries a day
Anybody staring blind at his counter stats and use this as an excuse not to do TGP2 is a fool IMHO
If you didn't make $$$ with TGP2 it's yoru marketing skills and not TGP2 that's at fault.
My 2 cents
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Wolfshade! Perfect!
At TGP2Stats, TGP2 topped 130 k for the first time only 4 days ago. Yesterday it topped 140k. Will it top 150k today? It's going to be close.
This kind of growth happens when things are working. It does NOT when they are not. TGP2 is EXPLODING this week! Our TGP2 Bucks program has had 9 consecutive record days. We've doubled in 5 days.
The ratios are there. The traffic is blowing up as we speak. To wait is a foolish move.
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Colin tgp2counter has the most TGP2 sites on it.
It's almost every day close to 200k
I suggest you use that one as a referrence
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Wolf,
http://www.tgp2counter.com/ does not have daily total.
tgp2stats.com does.
Please explain.
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No Colin
TGP2 stats is from Forrest
And TGP2counter.com from Naughty
Which is definately not the same Naughty runs a counter forrest a toplist with counting abilities.
Sorry to burst ya bubble but I knwo my software
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tgp2stats.com IS Naughty!
YOU are wrong! Go look!
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Ehm yeah you're right I mixed em up
Still Naughties is the counter from those two
So everybody:
http://www.tgp2counter.com is Forrest's http://www.tgp2stats.com is Naughty's
But I trust you get my point eh?
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Wolfshade, I believe that IS where Colin gets his numbers... www.tgp2counter.net www.tgp2stats.com
Same stuff!!
It is about time we make some galleries too, I'll make that a priority next week.
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