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  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635

    #1

    Watching the SEO House Fall Down Slowly

    I did a interview last night and was asked some really really good questions. One of which was what is the future of SEO?

    My honest answer is there is no future in SEO. From my experiences I am seeing Google SERPS results strongly influenced by Google Toolbar data, Google User history, and Google Analytics data. Googles combination of SEO and social voting via toolbar/history/analytics will continue to sway more in the realm of social voting. I feel this technology will only get better. I don?t think anyone can argue that core SEO has gotten less valuable over the years and I see that trend continuing. After all if you read the spam as defined by Matt Cutts (Google Lead Spam Engineer) he says:

    ?Web spam is when somebody tries to cheat or take shortcuts so that their Web site shows up higher [in search results rankings] than it deserves to show up,? - Matt Cutts

    That is most SEO at its core. Sure you add title tags and meta descriptions but then you have to incentivize people to link to it. You are now seeing lots sites rank for stuff that have the goofiest URL structure, unoptimized title tags, and bad description tags.

    Some of the best examples of how the Google algorithm is more favoring social voting (via above methods) are seen with the Google Sitelinks. I have had things show up on sitelinks that were completely noindex/nofollow and had no meta description or even on page content yet were the first item listed in my sitelinks? coincidently they were also the most trafficked item on my site.

    So in my opinion there just is no future in current SEO for Google anyway. Its not going to happen overnight but it is happening.

    Please keep in mind I (Shoemoney) am not a professional SEO and have never claimed to be. My opinions above are purely based on my experiences.

    http://www.shoemoney.com/2008/05/07/seo-has-no-future/
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  • Barefootsies
    Choice is an Illusion
    • Feb 2005
    • 42635

    #2
    Should You Email Your Members?

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    Enough Said.

    "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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    • polle54
      Confirmed User
      • Jul 2004
      • 4626

      #3
      well you still seo'ed your url to your blog
      ICQ# 143561781

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      • Mike Semen
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2001
        • 2924

        #4
        Classic link bait.
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        • d-null
          . . .
          • Apr 2007
          • 13724

          #5
          agree with you barefootsies

          the best approach for long term seo is content

          if your users bookmark and keep coming back to your site every day you are on the right track I think

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          • polle54
            Confirmed User
            • Jul 2004
            • 4626

            #6
            Originally posted by Mike Semen
            Classic link bait.
            LOL you are so right hehe
            You seem to know your way around shoemoney, solid blog you got.
            ICQ# 143561781

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            • Mickey_
              • Nov 2005
              • 4238

              #7
              Originally posted by Barefootsies
              I think a 'hunderd' is worth 10x more than a 'hundred'.

              ps. Shoemoney doesn't = Barefootsies.


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              • payd2purv
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Jan 2008
                • 2727

                #8
                Blows my mind that their are surfers that are such newbs they use a search engine to find porn.

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                • SNL
                  Confirmed User
                  • Aug 2006
                  • 290

                  #9
                  AzoogleAds

                  This is not a real check it was for a Magazine Ad for AzoogleAds
                  http://www.shoemoney.com/gallery/v/m...geViewsIndex=1

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                  • WiredGuy
                    Pounding Googlebot
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 34512

                    #10
                    I love misinformation. See sig.
                    WG
                    I play with Google.

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                    • Stephen McTowelie
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 734

                      #11
                      Originally posted by payd2purv
                      Blows my mind that their are surfers that are such newbs they use a search engine to find porn.
                      yeah who'd have thought surfers would use google eh
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                      • Stephen McTowelie
                        Confirmed User
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 734

                        #12
                        I love statements like there is no future in seo cracks me up !

                        But yeah no one bother with optimising there sites for google spread the word footsies !

                        ;)
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                        • Roald
                          SecretFriends.com
                          • May 2001
                          • 27910

                          #13
                          Originally posted by WiredGuy
                          I love misinformation. See sig.
                          WG
                          LOL I was thinking about your sig while reading his post


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                          • Barefootsies
                            Choice is an Illusion
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 42635

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Mickey-AWE
                            ps. Shoemoney doesn't = Barefootsies.
                            Correct.
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                            Enough Said.

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                            • Barefootsies
                              Choice is an Illusion
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 42635

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Stephen McTowelie
                              I love statements like there is no future in seo cracks me up !

                              But yeah no one bother with optimising there sites for google spread the word SHOEBITCH !

                              ;)
                              Should You Email Your Members?

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                              Enough Said.

                              "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                              • tranza
                                ICQ: 197-556-237
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 57559

                                #16
                                This car is very nice!
                                I'm just a newbie.

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                                • pr0
                                  rockin tha trailerpark
                                  • May 2001
                                  • 23088

                                  #17
                                  this thread is pretty funny
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                                  • baddog
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Apr 2001
                                    • 107089

                                    #18
                                    Luckily McDonald's has very good training and I feel qualified to resume my post at the grill, window, fries or shake machine.

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                                    • mx8829
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2005
                                      • 891

                                      #19
                                      SEO is always evolving , learn to adopt . you will be fine. I have built sites with just simple tweaks are getting good SE traffic and still growing.
                                      contact jambojack at gmail

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                                      • Linguist
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Apr 2004
                                        • 1706

                                        #20
                                        SEO that most of us are familiar with (pure spam) will end up being outranked by things like linkbait which gives the sites a perfect social acceptance (see first post in this thread)
                                        315-310

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                                        • Barefootsies
                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                          • Feb 2005
                                          • 42635

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Linguist
                                          (see first post in this thread)
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                                          Enough Said.

                                          "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                          • tiger
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Apr 2002
                                            • 6986

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Stephen McTowelie
                                            I love statements like there is no future in seo cracks me up !

                                            But yeah no one bother with optimising there sites for google spread the word footsies !

                                            ;)
                                            I think you missed the point. I believe he's saying it is becoming less and less of a factor not that you still shouldn't try at all. I still follow the basics but I have noticed the same things.

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                                            • Nicky
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Mar 2003
                                              • 30071

                                              #23
                                              There is no money in SEO, we have said it for years here.

                                              gfynicky @ gmail.com

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                                              • JamesK
                                                hi
                                                • Jun 2002
                                                • 16731

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Nicky
                                                There is no money in SEO, we have said it for years here.
                                                Yep, only idiots believe in SEO. Do you really think WiredGuy gets paid much? He never posts pics of hot cars and houses. He is one of the best SEO's but there's simply no money in generating traffic that way, so even he fails.

                                                Google is way too smart, even the best SEO's only get a few hunderd clicks a month which is beer money for the western civilization. I think the future is in TGP's, focus on that guys if you really want to make big bucks
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                                                • qxm
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jul 2006
                                                  • 5970

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Nicky
                                                  There is no money in SEO, we have said it for years here.
                                                  yeap.......I do recall many instances..

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                                                  • GT-Omar
                                                    DM at Performive.com
                                                    • Aug 2006
                                                    • 2968

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Roald
                                                    LOL I was thinking about your sig while reading his post
                                                    That make 2 of us


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                                                    • pr0
                                                      rockin tha trailerpark
                                                      • May 2001
                                                      • 23088

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by JamesK
                                                      Yep, only idiots believe in SEO. Do you really think WiredGuy gets paid much? He never posts pics of hot cars and houses. He is one of the best SEO's but there's simply no money in generating traffic that way, so even he fails.

                                                      Google is way too smart, even the best SEO's only get a few hunderd clicks a month which is beer money for the western civilization. I think the future is in TGP's, focus on that guys if you really want to make big bucks
                                                      I drive a 1985 cutlass....I call it "mr hoopty"
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                                                      • potter
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Dec 2004
                                                        • 6559

                                                        #28
                                                        there is no money in interwebs

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                                                        • Brad Gosse
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                          • 2616

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by JamesK
                                                          Yep, only idiots believe in SEO. Do you really think WiredGuy gets paid much? He never posts pics of hot cars and houses. He is one of the best SEO's but there's simply no money in generating traffic that way, so even he fails.

                                                          Google is way too smart, even the best SEO's only get a few hunderd clicks a month which is beer money for the western civilization. I think the future is in TGP's, focus on that guys if you really want to make big bucks
                                                          You don't have a clue
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                                                          • MattO
                                                            The O is for Oohhh
                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                            • 10861

                                                            #30
                                                            I do okay with the SEO but it's a bit frustrating when I get a good search for a specific porn title or star and the competing results are torrent sites.

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                                                            • baddog
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                              • 107089

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Brad Gosse
                                                              You don't have a clue
                                                              I like to think he was kidding . . . . please tell me you were kidding.

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                                                              • GAMEFINEST
                                                                Make STACK$
                                                                • Nov 2006
                                                                • 14478

                                                                #32
                                                                shoeeeeeee
                                                                Compound interest.

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                                                                • darnit
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                  • 2439

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by SNL
                                                                  AzoogleAds

                                                                  This is not a real check it was for a Magazine Ad for AzoogleAds
                                                                  http://www.shoemoney.com/gallery/v/m...geViewsIndex=1

                                                                  What a crappy photoshop job. There isn't even a reflection of the check on the side of the hummer....

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                                                                  • JamesK
                                                                    hi
                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                    • 16731

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                    I like to think he was kidding . . . . please tell me you were kidding.
                                                                    I thought "I think the future is in TGP's, focus on that guys if you really want to make big bucks" gave it away, guess not
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                                                                    • rogerrabbit00
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                      • 315

                                                                      #35
                                                                      We are #1 for many adult dating terms. SEO is just work when you know what you are doing.
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                                                                      • aico
                                                                        Moo Moo Cow
                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                        • 14748

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by darnit
                                                                        What a crappy photoshop job. There isn't even a reflection of the check on the side of the hummer....
                                                                        LOL, good eye.

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                                                                        • Azoy?
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Aug 2005
                                                                          • 2178

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by darnit
                                                                          What a crappy photoshop job. There isn't even a reflection of the check on the side of the hummer....
                                                                          and the hand where he is holding the check is not aligned with the hand on the reflection on the hummer.
                                                                          In terms of SEO, it works if you do it right and not a half past job like many out there.
                                                                          Those who say there is no money in SEO also say there is not money in porn or TGP conversions

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                                                                          • rogerrabbit00
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Aug 2006
                                                                            • 315

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Azoy?
                                                                            and the hand where he is holding the check is not aligned with the hand on the reflection on the hummer.
                                                                            In terms of SEO, it works if you do it right and not a half past job like many out there.
                                                                            Those who say there is no money in SEO also say there is not money in porn or TGP conversions

                                                                            Don't expect SEO work to happen overnight. You might need to wait 3 months but you should see progress. TGP is good also but there are better methods. Find something that works then multiply.
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                                                                            • Brad Gosse
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                                              • 2616

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by JamesK
                                                                              I thought "I think the future is in TGP's, focus on that guys if you really want to make big bucks" gave it away, guess not
                                                                              Sorry dude there is plenty of stupid on GFY. I thought you were for real. I laughed at you but now I am laughing with you ;)
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                                                                              • Barefootsies
                                                                                Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                                • 42635

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Brad Gosse
                                                                                Sorry dude there is plenty of stupid on GFY. I thought you were for real. I laughed at you but now I am laughing with you ;)
                                                                                Toe hee!!
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                                                                                • Juicy D. Links
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                                  • 122992

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by pr0
                                                                                  I drive a 1985 cutlass....I call it "mr hoopty"
                                                                                  I have a geo metro

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                                                                                  • Stephen McTowelie
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Nov 2006
                                                                                    • 734

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Errr ...

                                                                                    396019140

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                                                                                    • Barefootsies
                                                                                      Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                      • 42635

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                                                                      I have a geo metro
                                                                                      Should You Email Your Members?

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                                                                                      Enough Said.

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                                                                                      • teomaxxx
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • May 2003
                                                                                        • 2737

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        I see that this thread is full of guys doing big bucks by their excelent SEO. ah, I forgot I am on GFY.

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                                                                                        • Barefootsies
                                                                                          Choice is an Illusion
                                                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                                                          • 42635

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by teomaxxx
                                                                                          I see that this thread is full of guys doing big bucks by their excelent SEO. ah, I forgot I am on GFY.
                                                                                          Should You Email Your Members?

                                                                                          Link1 | Link2 | Link3

                                                                                          Enough Said.

                                                                                          "Would you rather live like a king for a year or like a prince forever?"

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                                                                                          • 2012
                                                                                            So Fucking What
                                                                                            • Jul 2006
                                                                                            • 17189

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Barefootsies
                                                                                            is that how much he made or what he just put in his gas tank for that
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                                                                                            • 2012
                                                                                              So Fucking What
                                                                                              • Jul 2006
                                                                                              • 17189

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              everything is changing ... I wonder how long it will be when typing in a search gives you something completely different then a list of sites and we look back on how "barbaric" that was ...
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                                                                                              • Princess Ellisa
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Mar 2003
                                                                                                • 1883

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                                I love misinformation. See sig.
                                                                                                WG
                                                                                                I was waiting to see you post that.


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                                                                                                • e-god
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                  • 1738

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  solution: buy shit load of traffic + seo

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                                                                                                  • rock-reed
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • May 2005
                                                                                                    • 1892

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    SEO is definitely dying out....

                                                                                                    Have solid/good content is the key to growing traffic.
                                                                                                    ---
                                                                                                    Ethnic niche? Black-Asian-Latina ?
                                                                                                    Contact me and lets talk traffic.

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                                                                                                    When you E-mail Me, PLZZZZ make the Subject Title:

                                                                                                    >>>>>> GFY!

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