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Old 06-12-2008, 05:29 PM  
kane
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Originally Posted by ronbotx View Post
Justice Scalia writes, ?The game of bait-and-switch that today?s opinion plays upon the Nation?s Commander in Chief will make the war harder on us. It will almost certainly cause more Americans to be killed.? Justice Scalia?s 25-page dissenting opinion concludes, ?The Nation will live to regret what the Court has done today. I dissent.?

I guess terrorist rights are more important than the safety of U.S. citizens. That's something the 5 justices, the dems, and the media can all agree on.

When the next terrorist attack comes, and thousands of dead bodies litter the streets due to lost intelligence as a result of this decision, perhaps they will realize what they've done.

I'm absolutely sickened by this.
So let me ask you a hypothetical question. Say you work for a large international company and they have a manufacturing plant in Malaysia. You get sent over there for a few weeks to do some work. One night a couple of the guys you work with invite you to go to dinner with them and some of their friends. You go and have a good time. On the way out of the restaurant you and the entire group are arrested. It appears that one of your co-workers friends is a suspected terrorist. You have never met the guy until that night and know nothing about him. But you were with him so you are considered a suspect and you are held.

Should they be allowed to hold you indefinitely and torture you at will even though they have zero proof or evidence that you are involved with this guy in any way?

I'm not saying that all the people in Gitmo are innocent victims. What I am saying is that we are a country where we must prove someone is guilty of something in order to detain them and even if we believe they are guilty we provide them legal counsel and ensure that they have an acceptable defense. These people are not US citizens and are not afforded all the rights that US citizens are, but they should be given some basic rights to show the world that we are dealing with them fairly. The war against terrorism is very much about ideals, beliefs and actions. How can we decry the actions of terrorists and call them barbaric when we hold people for years in prison without ever charging them of a crime? If we arrest people, torture them then hold them forever in prison without ever putting them on trial or proving that they are guilty of something this makes us look very bad. We have to prove to the world we are the civilized ones and that we act that way even towards people we don't agree with.

Don't get your conservative panties in a wad and say that I have called us terrorist either. I haven't. I have simply said that when we act in what many consider an irresponsible way it taints the reputation of this country and that reputation and our core values as a nation. Our leaders love to talk about God and how we are a good Christian nation. Well, it does say in the bible, "Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you." and that is the point of this ruling. If we are ever going to win a war on terror we have to do onto these people as we would have them do onto us and lead by example.
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