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  • raven1083
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    • Jul 2007
    • 7687

    #51
    I'm making money in here and always looking forward for more
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    • notime
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      • Jun 2003
      • 8027

      #52
      adapt, change, learn, try, improve and continue
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      • Grapesoda
        So Fucking Banned
        • Jul 2003
        • 46234

        #53
        Originally posted by marketsmart
        to clarify, i was trying to get an answer from the people that work at least 20-40 hours in adult and may not consider adult their main income source (they work primary job)...

        I work full time in adult as a content producer. personally I don't see much of a future in content production if the last 4 years are any indication of the future of content production.

        my production cost have risen 80%-100%+ while webmasters/programs 'for the most part' expect, and do pay the prices they paid in 2001.

        should be interesting to see how it goes. since shooting content isn't as profitable as it was, the goods shooters are leaving the biz, OR spending less energy in production, so more and more 'walmart' porn is being produced.

        I see lots of 'walmart' porn posted here at GFY. a guy goes into 'walmart', buys a video/stills camera and bingo! a top content house is created. the reality is that is so easy to get in to production these days people with no real interest in the 'art' of production as flooding the market.

        what I'm seeing is really, really poor composition, poor set design, bad lighting, incorrect white balance, horrible audio, and even worse post production. it's kinda weird actually to see 'content' on tours that I would have tossed in the delete file if I'd been unfortunate enough to have created it. I'm also seeing very, very, very poor interaction with the models.

        if a program owner doesn't give a shit about their content how can they expect a surfer to give a shit? if the operating concept is "I'll buy the cheapest content I can find" can you blame the surfer for having the same thoughts? the thing is the surfer thinking is more like this: "I'll just watch free porn, why pay for this crap?"

        and the funniest thing is this: programs can't understand why joins are down.

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        • rayadp05
          TRUEAMATEURMODELS.COM
          • Nov 2005
          • 4175

          #54
          I will always be involved with producing porn.

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          • Spyce
            Confirmed User
            • Dec 2002
            • 335

            #55
            Been here since '95 - I don't think we'll be leaving the biz any time soon...
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            • DateDoc
              Outside looking in.
              • Feb 2005
              • 14243

              #56
              Originally posted by jetjet
              my mainstream traffic is up yet my earnings per traffic is dropping over the last year, it is a disturbing trend, I can't help but feel like it is all so fragile... soon the new adage will be "there is no money in mainstream"

              of course there will always be some very high money earning sites that can just about dictate their own advertising rates, but the little people that are reliant on google and other mickey mouse ppc options are not in what I feel is a long term secure earnings situation

              feel free to call me a pessimist
              I agree, it may not be easy but if you love what you do you will do it better.

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              • woj
                <&(©¿©)&>
                • Jul 2002
                • 47880

                #57
                Is quiting considered stopping working in adult? or stopping to make money from adult? There is quite a bit of difference, as I would imagine most people would just let the sites die over the next few years rather than sell and get only 6 month income...
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                • HollywoodChris
                  Confirmed User
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 1282

                  #58
                  I'll buy a boat and roam the earth.

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                  • Zuzana Designs
                    All Your Design Needs
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 20900

                    #59
                    I'm here to stay I have a few mainstream things going on too.. but porn is doing well for me

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                    • Jim_Gunn
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 5702

                      #60
                      Originally posted by bm bradley
                      I work full time in adult as a content producer. personally I don't see much of a future in content production if the last 4 years are any indication of the future of content production.

                      my production cost have risen 80&#37;-100%+ while webmasters/programs 'for the most part' expect, and do pay the prices they paid in 2001.
                      )
                      I have been in the adult industry since 1991 and been working as a porn director & content producer most of the time since then. This comment is so true, production costs are at an all time high, and I have been able to raise my price to my clients only by so much. It was much better in 2003 when a producer only had to be better than average to have money thrown at them for multiple scenes at a time. Recently, I have upgraded my production capability again to shoot better quality scenes with better talent, better fluorescent lighting, better makeup, better hi-res still photos shot with strobes every time and better locations so I can charge accordingly and keep my clients happy.

                      There's still a future in content production but only for those who can produce top notch stuff and those producers who shoot niche content or hard to film content. I have also been concentrating more on filming for my own movies and sites as well and making money online with my own traffic and through different means like VOD. I wish IO would have done this way earlier considering how early I got in the business before the popularity of the internet even, but I had disdain for the lack of original content back on the various porn web sites in the net's early days since I was a "famous" porn director who shot movies for VHS & DVD. If I had I would be retired by now!
                      Last edited by Jim_Gunn; 06-08-2008, 10:08 AM.

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                      • Klen
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 32234

                        #61
                        Also,toobad i didnt start doing adult web sites when i first encounter affiliate programs...
                        Instead that i wasted my time on ptr programs and later on caffe bar.Who knows if i started in let's say 2003 instead 2006 maybe i would be millioner already.Now is question will anyone earn money in adult industry.

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                        • Penny24Seven
                          So Fucking What
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 6287

                          #62
                          Originally posted by marketsmart
                          to clarify, i was trying to get an answer from the people that work at least 20-40 hours in adult and may not consider adult their main income source (they work primary job)...

                          at some point, i would have to think that working 20-40 extra hours a week in adult but only making an additional $100-$1000 a month at some point isnt worth the effort...

                          i was asking original question in hopes of getting an idea of how tough it is for the average person to make $ in adult these days and to determine if it is pushing them out of the industry...

                          so far, it seems (from the initial responses) that most are going to try to stick it out for at least another 6-12 months...

                          very opposite of what i was expecting, but its late on a weekend... we'll see what the weekday crowd has to say...

                          your talking about a billion dollar industry and based your question on what a few said that have been in the business for a long time? LOL
                          I see more people bitching about problems then I do about not making money.
                          I hate tube sites and think it is stupid to give it away for free. I can't see how it affects my wallet though.
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                          • payd2purv
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 2727

                            #63
                            Originally posted by payd2purv
                            Leaving adult!?

                            I have barely gotten started... I'm soo fucking young.. it's great
                            Since fags are flaming me for this comment.

                            I'm going to say "I'm just getting started" until I die.

                            it's a fucking saying.

                            suck my dick.

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                            • DirtyProfits
                              Confirmed User
                              • May 2005
                              • 1885

                              #64
                              Well I will definitely leave adult within the next 2-3 years for an offline job in the investment sector. It used to be easy and it used to be fun making a lot of money with hardly any effort but if the situation does not improve soon and I think it will not I am better off doing something else.

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                              • BVF
                                Black Vagina Finder
                                • Jan 2002
                                • 13975

                                #65
                                I'm not going ANYWHERE...

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                                • James124
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Jun 2006
                                  • 261

                                  #66
                                  The few replies here speaks volumes... nh marketsmart

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                                  • BVF
                                    Black Vagina Finder
                                    • Jan 2002
                                    • 13975

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by marketsmart
                                    as far as what i do, i trade currency
                                    Do you have any suggestions to anything I can find online to help me learn forex?

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                                    • Nick_Merlot
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2008
                                      • 232

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by SilentKnight

                                      Still rockin' in '07.
                                      Damn, doing so good you don't even have to know what year it is, I'm fucking jealous.

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                                      • marketsmart
                                        HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                        • Dec 2004
                                        • 20419

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by BVF
                                        Do you have any suggestions to anything I can find online to help me learn forex?
                                        babypips.com and forexfactory.com

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                                        • Grapesoda
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Jul 2003
                                          • 46234

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by Jim_Gunn
                                          I have been in the adult industry since 1991 and been working as a porn director & content producer most of the time since then. This comment is so true, production costs are at an all time high, and I have been able to raise my price to my clients only by so much. It was much better in 2003 when a producer only had to be better than average to have money thrown at them for multiple scenes at a time. Recently, I have upgraded my production capability again to shoot better quality scenes with better talent, better fluorescent lighting, better makeup, better hi-res still photos shot with strobes every time and better locations so I can charge accordingly and keep my clients happy.

                                          There's still a future in content production but only for those who can produce top notch stuff and those producers who shoot niche content or hard to film content. I have also been concentrating more on filming for my own movies and sites as well and making money online with my own traffic and through different means like VOD. I wish IO would have done this way earlier considering how early I got in the business before the popularity of the internet even, but I had disdain for the lack of original content back on the various porn web sites in the net's early days since I was a "famous" porn director who shot movies for VHS & DVD. If I had I would be retired by now!
                                          Jim, can you hit me with an email please. -bmb

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                                          • jact
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Sep 2002
                                            • 9134

                                            #71
                                            I'm 11 years into the industry, I'm not sure I could do anything else at this point. I'd be charged with sexual harassment after about 30 seconds.
                                            Free agent

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                                            • XMaster
                                              Poker Player
                                              • Jul 2003
                                              • 2945

                                              #72
                                              i would say 60%
                                              still moneyhere

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                                              • AnneT
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Aug 2003
                                                • 270

                                                #73
                                                Things are changing. Already alot of people have been shaken out of the industry. I think it's shrinking but seriously you should still be able to make some nice coin doing something. Just not the way you used to do it.

                                                I'm not going anywhere though. I'm happy to adapt. But I've got a few other areas I can move into ;)
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                                                • AnneT
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                  • 270

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                  babypips.com and forexfactory.com
                                                  Thanks for the links, Marketsmart. Interesting looking sites.

                                                  What pairings are you trading? Been working on setups for the Aussie right now. Seems like a nice trending market right now.
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                                                  • Spunky
                                                    I need a beer
                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                    • 133978

                                                    #75
                                                    I've always considered it a hobby anyways.diversify and never leave your eggs in one basket

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                                                    • GAMEFINEST
                                                      Make STACK$
                                                      • Nov 2006
                                                      • 14470

                                                      #76
                                                      im out ..peace
                                                      Compound interest.

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                                                      • marketsmart
                                                        HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                                        • Dec 2004
                                                        • 20419

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by AnneT
                                                        Thanks for the links, Marketsmart. Interesting looking sites.

                                                        What pairings are you trading? Been working on setups for the Aussie right now. Seems like a nice trending market right now.
                                                        i only trade GBP/JPY.. very volatile, very big swings...

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                                                        • BVF
                                                          Black Vagina Finder
                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                          • 13975

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                          i only trade GBP/JPY.. very volatile, very big swings...
                                                          So what do you think of someone sticking to the Euro/Dollar pair?

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                                                          • AnneT
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Aug 2003
                                                            • 270

                                                            #79
                                                            Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                            i only trade GBP/JPY.. very volatile, very big swings...
                                                            Thanks I'll check that out. I've noticed alot of volatility in JPY pairings. AUD/JPY is pretty attractive to me being based in Australia.
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                                                            • marketsmart
                                                              HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                              • 20419

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by BVF
                                                              So what do you think of someone sticking to the Euro/Dollar pair?
                                                              the EUR/USD is a good pair to trade. the best thing to do is find a pair you like and start learning everything you can about what moves the pair..

                                                              also you need to figure out if you want to be a long term or short term trader..

                                                              set up a practice account somewhere like forex.com and start playing around with it..

                                                              when you get comfortable trading, try a real money acct..

                                                              i will warn you, forex is not for the faint of heart. you can lose money fast if you dont watch what you are doing.

                                                              the best advice i can give is learn all you can, hit the forex forums and ask a lot of questions, and set rules and stick to them..

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                                                              • marketsmart
                                                                HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                                                • Dec 2004
                                                                • 20419

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by AnneT
                                                                Thanks I'll check that out. I've noticed alot of volatility in JPY pairings. AUD/JPY is pretty attractive to me being based in Australia.
                                                                i dont ever look at that pair, so i cant really say... but, it def helps to know alot about the pairs economy and what moves it...

                                                                so, that pair is probably a good pair for you since you live in australia and see the economy first hand...

                                                                but, a word of caution; the forex market is crazy.. sometimes what you think will make a pair go one way, will actually go the opposite...

                                                                just learn to look for the trends...

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                                                                • AnneT
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                  • 270

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by marketsmart
                                                                  but, a word of caution; the forex market is crazy.. sometimes what you think will make a pair go one way, will actually go the opposite...

                                                                  just learn to look for the trends...
                                                                  Yeah I've noticed that. Can be violently choppy in any pair pretty much. I'm aiming to learn this stuff over years before I even start trading proper. Gotta be realistic.
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                                                                  • tranza
                                                                    ICQ: 197-556-237
                                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                                    • 57559

                                                                    #83
                                                                    I don't think so...
                                                                    I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                    • Pinklinkz
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                                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                                      • 658

                                                                      #84
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