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Originally Posted by tony404
If people in this biz weren?t totally retarded, totally disorganized and actually had some guidelines and standards to work and live by this industry wouldn?t have many real legal problems. How about not pushing? how about setting some clear, defensible boundaries and staying within them? rather than always challenging the world to shut you down?
There is a difference between drawing the line in the sand, one which you know can be defended and staying behind it and the totally incorrect assumption that anything and everything you do is somehow Constitutionally protected and to keep pushing the most influential groups in this country to shut you down by making sure they always have the ammo they need to keep firing at you until they hit something.
Right now many of you US idiots want to make the argument that shitting on, pissing on, vomiting on, pissing in girls mouths until they choke and cry etc isn?t ?obscene? or isn?t obscene in GodsVillage, Indiana? and most of you then go further to suggest that what he is going through is unfair as if no one really knew that you can?t just mail out totally over the top porn with some old wrinkly fuck pissing into a girls mouth until she starts to choke and cry to any state, county and city in the country without a serious risk of being prosecuted.
Really?
The biggest problem with this industry is that it is full of anti-social idiots with a strong resentment for authority. Thats all fine and well when you are rebelling against your alcoholic father who frequently tried to kiss you or watch you take a bath? but it?s not hardly a winning formula for the long term success of a controversial industry whose greatest enemies are infinitely more organized, deep pocketed and focused on the simple goal of stopping you and that usually have the public and federal government behind them to do it.
The ?rights? you many of you seem to think you have in the US are an illusion. People make the laws. People make the laws against people like you. They can because they know you are weak. You are the low hanging fruit of society. They will attack you because they know no one is going to defend you? because you can?t defend yourselves. They will continue to attack you because they can always rely on the fact that you will constantly be throwing whatever offensive thing you do right in their face and daring them to do something about it. And they are fucking you over right now. They are arguing that each one of you is a Max Hardcore,.. no better. A disease in society. Eventually, they will win and you will lose and it will be your fault, because far too many people in this industry are irretrievably damaged, self destructive fuck ups? and because no one will separate you and what you do from the absolute worst of the worst in this biz.
The public doesn?t see (and never will see) ?good? and ?bad? pornographers. They just see ?pornographers? and the public perception of you will never be any better than the publics perception of Max Hardcore and some old guy shitting on an 18 year old runaway while she cries. And its not the publics fault. It?s your fault. You repeatedly make the choice to defend the worst of the worst in a political and social climate where you will eventually lose. You don?t even have the sense to pick and choose battles and choose battles you can win. Instead, you let the worst of the worst in this industry pick a fight on your behalf. Brilliant! Are you fucking kidding me? Eventually you will lose these fights? And once you finally lose? you will lose big because the fight against you will never stop and you don?t have the brains or foresight to organize and defend yourselves, set standards and police yourselves. Instead? you are happy doing lines of cocaine off a strippers ass while complaining about who is President and how unfair life is and will just let the Christian Right do it for you.
How will the government restrict your business because you didn?t have the brains, foresight and organizational skills to put yourself in a defensible position first? Because in the most important fights, you choose to not have a strong defensive plan or even an offense?
This industry is like a really big, cocky, heavy weight fighter with a glass jaw. Eventually, its going to catch one on the chin and it will be lights out for all. It?s not a question of ?if?? only ?when? ?. and why? because most of you stupid assholes prefer to think its your ?right? and will keep doing that until its finally decided to take that ?right? away because you just can?t and won?t see the bigger picture.
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I see what you're saying, and I agree with parts of it, but I still think it's a dangerous proposition anytime you allow the government (or others) to determine what obscene is. It's a slippery slope and obscenity is a vague term that can be used against website owners as a means of quieting them (see what happened to NowThatsFuckedUp.com).
And it's easy to say "set a line in the sand", but how do you do that? Who determines what is acceptable and what is not? Would there be a time limit for how long someone can gag for, or is it strictly based on particular sex acts? Would there be a written list to work off of? I just don't see how you could draw a consensus from this in the adult community.
Even if that line can be drawn, it will just be fought to be pushed back. Do you seriously believe that conservatives will stop battling pornography simply because the adult industry decided that scat was a bad thing? To them this isn't about just Max Hardcore, it's about all porn. Look at the gun industry. If the NRA came out tomorrow and decided they would stand against machine guns, would anti-gun advocates call it a day and move on to something else?
The only thing setting a line in the sand does is admit that something between consenting adults should be illegal. It in fact makes their argument stronger. And from a strictly business perspective, I agree with a lot of your points. I think this stuff does hurt the industry. But from a human perspective, I'm just tired of people telling others what is right or wrong. I'm tired of people telling me what is obscene. The definition of obscene is different for every one of us. When this industry (or any other in the entertainment world) admits that something should be considered obscene by all, it simply gives their argument credibility. The argument should simply be, if you don't like it, don't watch it.