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  • DickShoke
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    • Oct 2003
    • 1236

    #1

    Google/Other SE's and Domain Names

    Some thoughts:

    In order for other top-level domain names to become more valuable and start being utilized I think it will be important and critical for search engines to start adding some sort of metric in their algorithms to rank sites higher based on their top-level domain extension. For example:

    1) domains with a .tv extension would get a bonus in rankings for search terms related to TV, entertainment, celebrities, etc....

    2) domains with a .biz extension would get a bonus in rankings for search terms related to business stuff

    3) domains with a .mobi extension would get a bonus in rankings for search terms related to mobile devices...

    Currently, it seems like that .com is the favored domain by the world and by the search engines when ranking sites. If search engines would rank sites the way I have explained it, I feel that other top level domains would beginning to start to be utilized more. It would also make the searches more relevant because the correct type of businesses would be building their sites on the correct domain extensions, instead of just the more popular .com and .net extensions...
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  • Solid Bob
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    • Apr 2006
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    #2
    Sounds like a good idea.
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    • DickShoke
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      • Oct 2003
      • 1236

      #3
      i know i'm probably not the first one to have this idea and maybe some search engines are doing this already..but i haven't seen it yet....and since i'm bored, i decided to type something useful instead of the usual "would you hit it" or "hot babe pic" threads...
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      • 2HousePlague
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        • Jul 2004
        • 14572

        #4
        Which is the more relevant to "mars"?

        http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/ or http://mars.jpl.nasa.mars/




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        • beemk
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          #5
          i dont think that would work. people use extensions like .tv because they couldnt get the .com most of the time.
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          • DickShoke
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            • Oct 2003
            • 1236

            #6
            Originally posted by 2HousePlague
            Which is the more relevant to "mars"?

            http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/ or http://mars.jpl.nasa.mars/




            2hp
            there's no such thing as a .mars top level domain.
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            • DickShoke
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              • Oct 2003
              • 1236

              #7
              Originally posted by beemk
              i dont think that would work. people use extensions like .tv because they couldnt get the .com most of the time.
              well if google and other SE's change up their algorithm to give the bonus to .tv imagine what would happened after that?

              Large news and tv corporations would start buying or moving their websites to .tv making the .tv domain more relevant instead of being used as a spam top level domain for mostly porn sites...in addition because the larger corporations will start buying up the .tv domains, the prices for .tv domains will go up....

              this becomes true with all other top-level domains...
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              • cranki
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                • Feb 2005
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                #8
                Originally posted by DickShoke
                there's no such thing as a .mars top level domain.
                there will be soon. they're planning the landrush together with .venus .jupiter .mercury and .saturn ...

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                • 2HousePlague
                  CURATOR
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 14572

                  #9
                  Originally posted by DickShoke
                  there's no such thing as a .mars top level domain.

                  Exactly. And you may as well say that of .tv, .biz, etc. Their existence as available TLDs means nothing. Why should the spider think a site on .tv is better for a "tv" related query than a site on a .com, unless there is some prior concensus to put such information there --






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                  • DickShoke
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                    • Oct 2003
                    • 1236

                    #10
                    Originally posted by 2HousePlague



                    Exactly. And you may as well say that of .tv, .biz, etc. Their existence as available TLDs means nothing. Why should the spider think a site on .tv is better for a "tv" related query than a site on a .com, unless there is some prior concensus to put such information there --






                    2hp
                    your missing the point of the thread...i guarantee if Google and other SE's valued and ranked domains with a .tv higher for search terms related to entertainment or TV we would begin to see CBS, NBC, ABC, and other entertainment TV coporations start utilizing the .tv extension

                    the SE's need to do to start fixing the problem your explaining in your comments above by doing this.
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                    • DickShoke
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                      • Oct 2003
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by 2HousePlague



                      Exactly. And you may as well say that of .tv, .biz, etc. Their existence as available TLDs means nothing. Why should the spider think a site on .tv is better for a "tv" related query than a site on a .com, unless there is some prior concensus to put such information there --






                      2hp
                      i'm thinking proactively of how the SE's could fix the problems your explaining above in your comment....

                      your mindset is thinking reactively in your comments
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                      • 2HousePlague
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                        • Jul 2004
                        • 14572

                        #12
                        Originally posted by DickShoke
                        i'm thinking proactively of how the SE's could fix the problems your explaining above in your comment....

                        your mindset is thinking reactively in your comments

                        I know what your point is. But, it's like any theoretical premise that essentially reads "If we made things better, would things be better?" -- or, in this case more specifically, if we created a meaningful distinction for the search engines would they work better? Of course they would. What's interesting is that you are making a powerful argument in favor of XXX, and probably don't even realize it yet.



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                        • DickShoke
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                          • Oct 2003
                          • 1236

                          #13
                          Originally posted by 2HousePlague



                          I know what your point is. But, it's like any theoretical premise that essentially reads "If we made things better, would things be better?" -- or, in this case more specifically, if we created a meaningful distinction for the search engines would they work better? Of course they would. What's interesting is that you are making a powerful argument in favor of XXX, and probably don't even realize it yet.



                          2hp
                          yes the .xxx example did come up in my mind...that was the next way how i was going to explain what i was trying to get across if people still didnt understand... here's what i was gonna say:

                          to put it in "porn" terms, if Google gave a bonus to sites with a .xxx extension when searches are done relating to adult/porn terms then most people in this business would start buying up .xxx just like any other industry would want to start using their primary top level domain for their type of business...i know most don't like what i'm saying, but you have to agree that it would make searches and results more relevant....
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                          • Manowar
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                            • Dec 2003
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by cranki
                            there will be soon. they're planning the landrush together with .venus .jupiter .mercury and .saturn ...
                            muahahaa

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                            • Matiz
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                              • Mar 2004
                              • 1740

                              #15
                              Originally posted by DickShoke
                              your missing the point of the thread...i guarantee if Google and other SE's valued and ranked domains with a .tv higher for search terms related to entertainment or TV we would begin to see CBS, NBC, ABC, and other entertainment TV coporations start utilizing the .tv extension

                              the SE's need to do to start fixing the problem your explaining in your comments above by doing this.
                              This would only open the door for more abuse.

                              By the way, .tv is not a top level domain. It's a country level domain for a small island.
                              ...

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                              • DickShoke
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                                • Oct 2003
                                • 1236

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Matiz
                                This would only open the door for more abuse.

                                By the way, .tv is not a top level domain. It's a country level domain for a small island.
                                open the doors for more abuse? please explain? i haven't been able to think of one downside to the SE's doing this? other than the one about the .xxx if it ever becomes reality.

                                i was just using it as example...and Tuvali did sell the rights to start promoting .tv as a entertainment domain awhile ago.
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                                • darksoul
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                                  • Apr 2002
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                                  #17
                                  why fix something that aint broken ?
                                  just so that everyone can say that their shitty domains are worth something ?
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                                  • Matiz
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                                    • Mar 2004
                                    • 1740

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DickShoke
                                    yes the .xxx example did come up in my mind...that was the next way how i was going to explain what i was trying to get across if people still didnt understand... here's what i was gonna say:

                                    to put it in "porn" terms, if Google gave a bonus to sites with a .xxx extension when searches are done relating to adult/porn terms then most people in this business would start buying up .xxx just like any other industry would want to start using their primary top level domain for their type of business...i know most don't like what i'm saying, but you have to agree that it would make searches and results more relevant....
                                    So, myfuckingsailboat.xxx should get better rankings than thehun.com / .net for adult terms?
                                    ...

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                                    • DickShoke
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                                      • Oct 2003
                                      • 1236

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by darksoul
                                      why fix something that aint broken ?
                                      just so that everyone can say that their shitty domains are worth something ?
                                      this is the kind of thinking that innovators don't have...

                                      and if you really think it ain't broken then
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                                      • DickShoke
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                                        • Oct 2003
                                        • 1236

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Matiz
                                        So, myfuckingsailboat.xxx should get better rankings than thehun.com / .net for adult terms?
                                        missing the point again..this thread is not about .xxx
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                                        • darksoul
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                                          • Apr 2002
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by DickShoke
                                          this is the kind of thinking that innovators don't have...

                                          and if you really think it ain't broken then

                                          we all know you made this thread because you have a worthless .biz for sale
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                                          • DickShoke
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                                            • Oct 2003
                                            • 1236

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by darksoul
                                            we all know you made this thread because you have a worthless .biz for sale
                                            worthless? lol..if u knew how much is being offered, well lets just say you wouldn't be making this comment...but that's besides the point...your use to people having bad intentions on gfy and because my post count is so low of course you just gotta do the usual bashing.

                                            p.s. - go fix your script so that it won't allow the same domain to be added multiple times
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                                            • ssp
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                                              • Jan 2005
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by darksoul
                                              we all know you made this thread because you have a worthless .biz for sale
                                              haha so true

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                                              • darksoul
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                                                • Apr 2002
                                                • 4997

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by DickShoke

                                                p.s. - go fix your script so that it won't allow the same domain to be added multiple times
                                                its fixed, just not released. will be Monday.
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                                                • DickShoke
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                                                  • Oct 2003
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by darksoul
                                                  its fixed, just not released. will be Monday.
                                                  cool...and add that blacklist feature too?
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                                                  • darksoul
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                                                    • Apr 2002
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DickShoke
                                                    cool...and add that blacklist feature too?
                                                    erm, forgot about that.
                                                    but I'll have it done before the release.
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                                                    • DickShoke
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                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                      • 1236

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by darksoul
                                                      erm, forgot about that.
                                                      but I'll have it done before the release.
                                                      nice..great script..and just keeps getting better..
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                                                      • Matiz
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                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                        • 1740

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by DickShoke
                                                        missing the point again..this thread is not about .xxx
                                                        No, you miss my point:

                                                        The domains / tld's used are only examples.

                                                        If I could buy some .xxx like myfuckingsailboat.xxx and get a better ranking for adult terms than a well known adult site on a .com only because of the .xxx, I would abuse the algo and it would not help the search engines in their struggle for more relevant search results.
                                                        ...

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                                                        • Choppa
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                                                          • Mar 2006
                                                          • 4079

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by 2HousePlague
                                                          Which is the more relevant to "mars"?

                                                          http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/ or http://mars.jpl.nasa.mars/




                                                          2hp

                                                          he he neither they are relevant to earth

                                                          and for an american to site "metric" do you use Degrees fahranheit or degrees celsius and so on and so on
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                                                          • DickShoke
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                                                            • Oct 2003
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Matiz
                                                            No, you miss my point:

                                                            The domains / tld's used are only examples.

                                                            If I could buy some .xxx like myfuckingsailboat.xxx and get a better ranking for adult terms than a well known adult site on a .com only because of the .xxx, I would abuse the algo and it would not help the search engines in their struggle for more relevant search results.

                                                            you would abuse the algo how? by buying up .xxx top level domains right? where porn should be located at....again i know people dont like this scenario.

                                                            so lets say cell phone sites want to be ranked high..if Google and SE's gave better rankings for sites on .mobi for cell phone terms the people would try to abuse the algo by doing what? putting their cell phone/ringtone/etc.. sites on the .mobi domain instead of .net, .gov, .org

                                                            now the cell phone sites are on the relevant and correct domain because they wanted to abuse the algo right? everything becomes more relevant. thats my point. Google and the SE's should be happy that people are trying to abuse the algo in this way because in the end everything is going in the correct top-level domains....
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                                                            • Matiz
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                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                              • 1740

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by DickShoke
                                                              you would abuse the algo how? by buying up .xxx top level domains right? where porn should be located at....again i know people dont like this scenario.

                                                              so lets say cell phone sites want to be ranked high..if Google and SE's gave better rankings for sites on .mobi for cell phone terms the people would try to abuse the algo by doing what? putting their cell phone/ringtone/etc.. sites on the .mobi domain instead of .net, .gov, .org

                                                              now the cell phone sites are on the relevant and correct domain because they wanted to abuse the algo right? everything becomes more relevant. thats my point. Google and the SE's should be happy that people are trying to abuse the algo in this way because in the end everything is going in the correct top-level domains....
                                                              Your thread started about tld's, but now you are talking about content.

                                                              If you put relevant content on a relevant domain with a relevant tld everything is ok. But your suggestion was not about content.

                                                              It gets abuse when I put non relevant content on a domain and get better ranking only because of the relevancy of the tld.
                                                              I.e. I put some crap content on ilovecartoonsandsuch.tv and according to your suggestion I should get better ranking than disney.com for entertainment related searches only because my site happens to be on a .tv.
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                                                              • DickShoke
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                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                • 1236

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Matiz
                                                                Your thread started about tld's, but now you are talking about content.

                                                                If you put relevant content on a relevant domain with a relevant tld everything is ok. But your suggestion was not about content.

                                                                It gets abuse when I put non relevant content on a domain and get better ranking only because of the relevancy of the tld.

                                                                Comments: In your example below, your not putting non-relevant content on the domain. Ilovecartoonsandsuch.tv is relevant content to the .tv domain. In addition, I said give a bonus to ranking for placing the right content on the right domain, no be the sole decider of the ranking. Your examples aren't putting into account all the other factors in an algo that decide a sites ranking.

                                                                I.e. I put some crap content on ilovecartoonsandsuch.tv and according to your suggestion I should get better ranking than disney.com for entertainment related searches only because my site happens to be on a .tv.
                                                                see comments..
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