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  • CarlosTheGaucho
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    • Oct 2005
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    #1

    Van Halen - Lee Roth vs. Sammy Hagar

    As far as I am just playin some Van Halen, I thought about the neverending war between the Lee Roth and Hagar fans..

    Are you a die hard fan of any of them?

    I actually prefer David Lee but even I find some of the stuff with Sammy Hagar a bit too sweet, it was still second half of the 80's and it was just a different episode in the history to me..

    Kind of like Sabbath, you can see the neverending rows between Ozzy and Dio fans but it was just a part of the history of the band and although the sound has been changing it's plenty to listen to. I am actually glad that they were so diverse because I enjoy both lineups (and seen both live).

    Your take?
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    • bronco67
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      • Dec 2006
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      #2
      ANY Van Halen post Diver Down = SUCK

      Van Halen + keyboards = SUCK

      Van Halen - David Lee Roth = SUCK

      van Halen + Sammy Hagar = SUCK

      So, to me, they don't exist after 1984.

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        • notoldschool
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          • Aug 2007
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          #3
          Van Halen hasnt been the same since David Lee Roth left in the 80s.
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            • tony299
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              • Aug 2002
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              #4
              Van Halen sold more records during the hagar years and to me wrote better songs.

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                • CDSmith
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                  • May 2001
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                  #5
                  Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho
                  I actually prefer David Lee but even I find some of the stuff with Sammy Hagar a bit too sweet, it was still second half of the 80's and it was just a different episode in the history to me..
                  Ditto. Like em both but Roth the original will always be in the forefront, for me anyway.
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                    • LA Mike
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                      • Jul 2001
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                      #6
                      Same, I like them with David Lee Roth much better..
                      And I liked Sammy when he was on his own before joining

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                        • CarlosTheGaucho
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                          • Oct 2005
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                          #7
                          I have a feeling it had a bit more balls with David Lee - spontaneous, raw wild thing..
                          With Hagar basicaly the skills and compositions were there, just it was more polished...

                          I wish I could seen them live, gotta get me some decent DVD once in NYC..
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                            • SykkBoy2
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                              #8
                              What about Gary Cherone???


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                                • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by SykkBoy2
                                  What about Gary Cherone???


                                  ;-))))
                                  I gotta say I haven't had a chance to hear him with V.H.

                                  I remember a couple of Extreme songs, but can't really imagine him singing with Van Halen..
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                                    • GrouchyAdmin
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                                      • Apr 2006
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                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho
                                      I gotta say I haven't had a chance to hear him with V.H.

                                      I remember a couple of Extreme songs, but can't really imagine him singing with Van Halen..
                                      What the hell. I can't even imagine this. "More than hot for teacher?"

                                      I prefer Roth.

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                                        • CDSmith
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                                          • May 2001
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                                          #11
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                                          More edge with Roth? Fucking rights they had more raw edge with Roth.
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                                            • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                              #12


                                              Actually "Hot for teacher" is one of my all time favourite 80's videos:

                                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5t5GukrWOU
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                                                • GatorB
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                                                  • Oct 2001
                                                  • 18208
                                                  #13
                                                  I liked both. Some stuff from the Roth era I hated, some stuff form the Hagar era I hated. I really don't see why there even has to be an issue over this. Too me those arguing about it need to untie the knots in their panties. Ironic how all the Hagar haters never bought any of Roth's solo albums. Roth left beause he thought he WAS the band. Sorry Dave the band was called Van Halen. 2 guys in the group had that name and you weren't one of them.

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                                                    • aico
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                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                      • 14748
                                                      #14
                                                      The Sammy Hagar songs were a little gay. Strange, since David Lee Roth is the gay one.

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                                                        • CDSmith
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                                                          • May 2001
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                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by GatorB
                                                          Ironic how all the Hagar haters never bought any of Roth's solo albums.
                                                          What makes you go assuming that? Eat 'em and smile is a killer album, and has a permanent place in my collection.


                                                          Then again, I'm not a "Hagar hater"... as I said I like them both, with overall preference to the original lineup.
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                                                            • escorpio
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                                                              • Oct 2002
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by bronco67
                                                              ANY Van Halen post Diver Down = SUCK

                                                              Van Halen + keyboards = SUCK

                                                              Van Halen - David Lee Roth = SUCK

                                                              van Halen + Sammy Hagar = SUCK

                                                              So, to me, they don't exist after 1984.
                                                              what he said
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                                                                • GatorB
                                                                  The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                  • Oct 2001
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                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                  What makes you go assuming that?
                                                                  How were Roth's solo sales compared to when he was with Van Halen? In fact how did Roth's solo sales comapre to Van Halen with Hagar?

                                                                  So what if they changed their music a bit when Hagar arrived? If they kept it exactly the same the haters would be saying sammy was ripping off Roth. And the Hagar era wasn't that much different because anyone with an ear could tell a song was from Van Halen without knowing just by the first few seconds. All the songs had a Halenesaque quality. what's wrong with bands evolving a bit? Though who don't like that are the same idots that keeping buying AC/DC albums even though all the songs sound the same since 1980. Here's a tip, tryout Nickleback. All their songs are the same too.

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                                                                      #18
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                                                                        • kacy
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          I just saw them last weekend in Vegas at Tiger Jam.
                                                                          They frigging rocked OMG! I was actually surprised they were that good after all these years.
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                                                                            • CDSmith
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                              How were Roth's solo sales compared to when he was with Van Halen? In fact how did Roth's solo sales comapre to Van Halen with Hagar?

                                                                              So what if they changed their music a bit when Hagar arrived? If they kept it exactly the same the haters would be saying sammy was ripping off Roth. And the Hagar era wasn't that much different because anyone with an ear could tell a song was from Van Halen without knowing just by the first few seconds. All the songs had a Halenesaque quality. what's wrong with bands evolving a bit? Though who don't like that are the same idots that keeping buying AC/DC albums even though all the songs sound the same since 1980. Here's a tip, tryout Nickleback. All their songs are the same too.
                                                                              Actually, anyone paying any attention at all would know that VH evolved quite a lot during the DLR years. The difference from their debut album to 1984 is considerable.

                                                                              But no need to get your butthole in a snizzy dude. People like what they like. I happen to be one of those among the group with a wider range of taste that actually enjoys both versions of VH.
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                                                                                • GatorB
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                                                                                  • 18208
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                  Actually, anyone paying any attention at all would know that VH evolved quite a lot during the DLR years. The difference from their debut album to 1984 is considerable.
                                                                                  No shit all their early hits were covers

                                                                                  But no need to get your butthole in a snizzy dude.
                                                                                  I'm not the one who is snizzy. I've been listening to this bullshit for 23 years now. people need to get over it already.

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                                                                                    • SilentKnight
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                                                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                                                      • 24818
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Liked both versions - but as others have said...the Roth era was much more raw and kickass. Eddie's sound had a harder edge back then.


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                                                                                        • CDSmith
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                                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                                          • 51460
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                          No shit all their early hits were covers
                                                                                          All? I only see two covers on their first two albums, You really got me and You're no good, and they did them better than anyone else including the original artists. Nothing wrong with that in my book.

                                                                                          The Fair Warning album looks mostly original to me, but I must admit I'm not 100% privy to the prior history (if any) of every single song of theirs. But at first glance it seems a lot of their early work was in fact original VH. Did somebody else do "Dance the night away" and "Jaimie's crying" and "Icecream Man" and "Little Dreamer" and "And the cradle will rock" before they did?


                                                                                          Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                          I'm not the one who is snizzy. I've been listening to this bullshit for 23 years now. people need to get over it already.
                                                                                          You're not the one who is snizzy? Why do you sound so fucking angry in so many of your posts then? I'm looking over this thread and it reads like people are just having a conversation.... except you. Maybe *you* need to get over it.

                                                                                          In the grand scheme of things does it really matter what others think?
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                                                                                            • Bojangles
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              I like them both.

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                                                                                                • Richard Avery
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  dave!

                                                                                                  Sammy rocks, but it's all about Dave! Always and Forever... no matter how crazy they get.
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                                                                                                    • SilentKnight
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                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                      No shit all their early hits were covers
                                                                                                      Hmm...who originally did Runnin' With The Devil and Unchained?

                                                                                                      Some VH-inspired graphics in the photo studio.


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                                                                                                        • HELMY
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                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          David = better showman
                                                                                                          Sammy = better songwriter (if he wrote those hit songs)
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                                                                                                            • Rochard
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by bronco67
                                                                                                              ANY Van Halen post Diver Down = SUCK

                                                                                                              Van Halen + keyboards = SUCK

                                                                                                              Van Halen - David Lee Roth = SUCK

                                                                                                              van Halen + Sammy Hagar = SUCK

                                                                                                              So, to me, they don't exist after 1984.
                                                                                                              That's pretty much it. Well said.
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                                                                                                                • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                                                  • Oct 2005
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Van Halen rocks

                                                                                                                  Van Hagar sucks..

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                                                                                                                    • Spunky
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                                                                                                                      • Jun 2002
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Sammy was a pretty good gutarist..Dave was the better show man

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                                                                                                                        • justinsain
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Been there and I must say they were some of the best times of my life

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                                                                                                                            • tony299
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                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              I saw on tv sammy and mike in concert. His voice is still pretty amazing and what a show. You take michael anthony for granted til you hear him sing and you realize he made vh sound so full.

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                                                                                                                                • skrinkladoo
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                                                                                                                                  Roth! The can't drive 55 guy - not so much.
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                                                                                                                                    • farkedup
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Who cares? they are nothing but pop rockers... That keyboard shit has to be some of the most annoying "rock" of all time. They did have a couple of good songs but without the keyboards for sure...

                                                                                                                                      TAPS != good guitar (eruption = joke)...

                                                                                                                                      while people like AC/DC, led zep, Aerosmith and others were rockin.... VH was simply not...

                                                                                                                                      I will admit they had some good stuff but they were nothing but posers playing a role to be popular and doing all they could to whore themselves out for cash and to be drama queens.
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                                                                                                                                        • Loryn
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                                                                                                                                          Lee Roth was the raw Van Halen. Even though Sammy made some great tunes with them, Van Halen just didn't have the same edge they had when Roth was with them.
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                                                                                                                                            • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Well they sure had some of the most remarkable stage image ever..



                                                                                                                                              I would suggest to do something as an 80's party on one of the shows, I could care about the playlist..
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                                                                                                                                                • Grapesoda
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by farkedup
                                                                                                                                                  I will admit they had some good stuff but they were nothing but posers playing a role to be popular and doing all they could to whore themselves out for cash and to be drama queens.
                                                                                                                                                  that's fucked up, ain't no other band/actor/entertainer etc. that would EVER do anything like that. -bmb

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                                                                                                                                                    • Joe BrainCash
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                                                      Van Halen sold more records during the hagar years and to me wrote better songs.
                                                                                                                                                      What's your point? The band was well established at that point and Hagar did benefit from that...It's not bad music, it's just not as ballsy as DLR era.

                                                                                                                                                      There's no doubt in my mind that they're 2 different bands. I love the David line up one thousand times more than Hagar... But that's just MY opinion.
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                                                                                                                                                        • CarlosTheGaucho
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                                                                                                                                                          How bout David's solo albums?

                                                                                                                                                          Have to admit never heard them, just know a couple songs and that it was Billy Sheehan and Steve Vai playing on some..
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                                                                                                                                                            • baddog
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by justinsain
                                                                                                                                                              Been there and I must say they were some of the best times of my life

                                                                                                                                                              I saw them in 1982, courtesy of this chick's mom who was best friends with the Van Halen's mom.

                                                                                                                                                              Roth FTW.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Kudles
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                                                                                                                                                                    • CDSmith
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                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho
                                                                                                                                                                      How bout David's solo albums?

                                                                                                                                                                      Have to admit never heard them, just know a couple songs and that it was Billy Sheehan and Steve Vai playing on some..
                                                                                                                                                                      I can tell some of you don't read my posts fully. I already mentioned "Eat 'em and smile" in this thread, and it's a pretty great album as far as I'm concerned, several strong tracks on it.

                                                                                                                                                                      I think it's probably Dave's best solo album in fact.
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