XTV dead....who DIDN'T predict this one?

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  • Jace
    FBOP Class Of 2013
    • Jan 2004
    • 35562

    #1

    XTV dead....who DIDN'T predict this one?

    http://www.xbiz.com/news/92645

    Adult company, which marketed Internet protocol TV, said subscriber base grew slower than anticipated.

    Three years after its grand rollout, the company that marketed hundreds of adult channels over an Internet protocol television network has called it quits, XBIZ has learned.

    ?The [company] has ceased accepting any new subscribers, has turned off its Internet distribution facilities and no longer provides any video content to any former subscribers,? it said in a regulatory filing.

    XTV, which operated in conjunction with mainstream content network ITVN, is closing shop without any remaining assets, according to the filing. The company, however, has approximately $10 million of unpaid liabilities, including more than $8.35 million of secured debt.
  • MaDalton
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    • Feb 2004
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    #2
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    • sandman!
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      • Mar 2001
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      #3
      i guess my old xtv box is useless ?
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      • crockett
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        • May 2003
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        #4
        Jesus, it's amazing how much money people will dump into the dumbest things.. $10. million in debit..
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        • CarlosTheGaucho
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          • Oct 2005
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          #5
          I guess investors were all mainstream?
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          • uno
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            • Dec 2002
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            #6
            What's the history on them? It sounds really familiar.
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            • tony299
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              • Aug 2002
              • 57021

              #7
              Im going to keep my mouth shut. lol I read it and ibill comes right back up on me.

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              • clicker
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                • Jun 2006
                • 1113

                #8
                I thought it was a good idea and picked up some domains. It was hard to predict
                but perfect example of how the tubes affect certain businesses. Having to have an actual "Porn box" in the house probably didnt fly to well.

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                • Jace
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                  • Jan 2004
                  • 35562

                  #9
                  Originally posted by clicker
                  I thought it was a good idea and picked up some domains. It was hard to predict
                  but perfect example of how the tubes affect certain businesses. Having to have an actual "Porn box" in the house probably didnt fly to well.
                  a set top box for porn was hard to predict failure?

                  the first day they launched I said how stupid the idea was and how it would be die a horrible death

                  i know tons of people that LOVE porn, the only people I can see buying a set top box for porn are the meth heads...because man do they LOVE some porn, haha

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                  • CarlosTheGaucho
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                    • Oct 2005
                    • 9560

                    #10
                    Originally posted by uno
                    What's the history on them? It sounds really familiar.
                    This is their monumental article in Forbes from 2005 - I read about it in the past..

                    http://www.forbes.com/services/2005/..._0831itvn.html
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                    • Sly
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                      • Sep 2004
                      • 31378

                      #11
                      I really don't understand why anyone would buy a set top box to watch porn. They already have a TV, pay-per-view. They more than likely have a DVD player or video game system, rent or buy any title they want. They more than likely have a computer, every kind of porn that could possibly want.
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                      • CarlosTheGaucho
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                        • Oct 2005
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Sly
                        I really don't understand why anyone would buy a set top box to watch porn. They already have a TV, pay-per-view. They more than likely have a DVD player or video game system, rent or buy any title they want. They more than likely have a computer, every kind of porn that could possibly want.
                        Or if you have an internet why would you need a set top box for an internet TV?

                        That's also why I am sceptical about IPTV outside of hotels..
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                        • minddust
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                          • Feb 2005
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                          #13
                          big failure

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                          • Brujah
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                            • Jan 2001
                            • 22157

                            #14
                            I'm seeing FyreTV around a lot lately.
                            http://www.fyretv.com/

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                            • woj
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                              • Jul 2002
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                              #15
                              Founders probably cashed out nicely on this though, sucks for the investors though... :-/
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                              • Sly
                                Let's do some business!
                                • Sep 2004
                                • 31378

                                #16
                                Originally posted by woj
                                Founders probably cashed out nicely on this though, sucks for the investors though... :-/
                                I've always thought that a sweet talker with a little knowledge and a lot of rich friends could really cash in on "investment opportunities" by assigning himself a large salary. Though, I suppose they could only pull off the trick a few times.
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                                • Rochard
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                                  • Dec 2001
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                                  #17
                                  Playboy had ICS looking into this to the point where we were testing out set top boxes at the office. I didn't see the point in this. Who the fuck wants to pay $x per month to have yet another cable box hooked up their tv - if they can hook up another box - when you already stream hidef video from your computer to your TV?
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                                  • Zebra
                                    Banned from Kimmy's couch
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 5091

                                    #18
                                    Funny that they bought the xtv.com domain from Dokk. I bet Dokk never expected it to go thru $10million.
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                                    • GetSCORECash
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                                      • Mar 2008
                                      • 5527

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                      Im going to keep my mouth shut. lol I read it and ibill comes right back up on me.
                                      same here, no comment, it's better to keep my mouth shut.

                                      good luck to the new kid on the block following XTV.
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                                      • wargames
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                                        • May 2003
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Rochard
                                        Playboy had ICS looking into this to the point where we were testing out set top boxes at the office. I didn't see the point in this. Who the fuck wants to pay $x per month to have yet another cable box hooked up their tv - if they can hook up another box - when you already stream hidef video from your computer to your TV?
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                                        • Matt 26z
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                                          • Apr 2002
                                          • 18481

                                          #21
                                          I think anyone with a brain saw this coming. It was one of the dumbest ideas in the history of porn. I figured this crashed and burned long ago. I'm surprised it lasted this long.

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                                          • SmokeyTheBear
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                                            • Jun 2004
                                            • 28609

                                            #22
                                            im pretty sure they were funded by the stolen ibill money so it doesnt suprise me.
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                                            • seeric
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                                              • Aug 2004
                                              • 41917

                                              #23
                                              fyre tv is doing the same thing right now.

                                              spending millions.

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                                              • Fap
                                                Just Du It
                                                • Feb 2004
                                                • 12094

                                                #24
                                                thats a lot of debt...

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                                                • hershie
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                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                  • 4642

                                                  #25
                                                  Maybe I am a luddite compared to everyone else in this thread, but I don't stream high-def porn from my computer to my TV...

                                                  XTV offered 200 channels of porn movies 24/7 in lots of niches that you probably can't find easily for $30/mo. To me that was a great deal compared to any other option I could think of.

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                                                  • Brujah
                                                    Beer Money Baron
                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                    • 22157

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                    fyre tv is doing the same thing right now.

                                                    spending millions.
                                                    They were given high ratings too in a comparison that included Apple TV and a few others.

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                                                    • tony299
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                                                      • Aug 2002
                                                      • 57021

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by hershie
                                                      Maybe I am a luddite compared to everyone else in this thread, but I don't stream high-def porn from my computer to my TV...

                                                      XTV offered 200 channels of porn movies 24/7 in lots of niches that you probably can't find easily for $30/mo. To me that was a great deal compared to any other option I could think of.
                                                      Porn customers tend to be private about their porn consumption and I figure at least 50% have wife or gf that doesn't know they watch it. Having a porn box on top of the tv isnt what most people want especially when there is so much one can get in a store or online and no one has to know.

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                                                      • AK
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                                                        • Nov 2003
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                                                        #28
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                                                        • hershie
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                                                          • Jun 2002
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by tony404
                                                          Porn customers tend to be private about their porn consumption and I figure at least 50% have wife or gf that doesn't know they watch it. Having a porn box on top of the tv isnt what most people want especially when there is so much one can get in a store or online and no one has to know.
                                                          Well the other 50% that watch alone or with the wife...represent a huge market and the box can be easily hidden from plain view. Last time I rented an adult video years ago it was like $10 compared to thousands every month with XTV for $30. The experience of watching porn with a remote to scroll around on a large screen TV vs. a computer monitor at your desk with downloaded stuff is also a huge matter.

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                                                          • tony299
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                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 57021

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by hershie
                                                            Well the other 50% that watch alone or with the wife...represent a huge market and the box can be easily hidden from plain view. Last time I rented an adult video years ago it was like $10 compared to thousands every month with XTV for $30. The experience of watching porn with a remote to scroll around on a large screen TV vs. a computer monitor at your desk with downloaded stuff is also a huge matter.
                                                            I guess you worked for XTV.

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                                                            • DWB
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                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                              • 31779

                                                              #31
                                                              Never saw that one coming. heh

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                                                              • Porno Dan
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                                                                • May 2003
                                                                • 6342

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by A1R3K
                                                                fyre tv is doing the same thing right now.

                                                                spending millions.
                                                                I met with the owners of Fyre TV, they have very deep pockets and a long term business strategy.

                                                                They might well make this work.
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                                                                • tony299
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                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                  • 57021

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Porno Dan
                                                                  I met with the owners of Fyre TV, they have very deep pockets and a long term business strategy.

                                                                  They might well make this work.
                                                                  if you have this box connected to your tv,what do you do with your cable box?

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                                                                  • Drake
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                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                    • 12508

                                                                    #34
                                                                    A lot of cash down the drain

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                                                                    • Christina Muller
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                                                                      • Mar 2007
                                                                      • 923

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by tony404
                                                                      Porn customers tend to be private about their porn consumption and I figure at least 50% have wife or gf that doesn't know they watch it. Having a porn box on top of the tv isnt what most people want especially when there is so much one can get in a store or online and no one has to know.


                                                                      tony404 you are totally correct,I have worked offline for many years before online.

                                                                      1.Many computers now including mine are multi media set ups,so hooking up tv,s etc requires on 1 cable....so I watch a lot of stuff on tv (using my computer) the model I have came with a remote thats works not only my computer but also my cable box...so internet porn on tv is a breeze.

                                                                      2.I work with a number of adult satellite channels,these are very popular as most people have a box already capable of picking up the signal so NO new box needed ..just a discreet subscription.

                                                                      3.Adult dvd rentals are real cheap.

                                                                      So when you add it all up not many people are going to buy a new dedicated porn box.


                                                                      Now after all that we are down to a low percentage and again you hit the nail on the head tony,its about privacy many guys keep the porn side of things discreet so a box would blow thier cover....that leaves just maybe some guys with no computer sitting in a room ....a desk top box formula like this will never work !

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                                                                      • datatank
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                                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                                        • 5471

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Porno Dan
                                                                        I met with the owners of Fyre TV, they have very deep pockets and a long term business strategy.

                                                                        They might well make this work.
                                                                        What did you meet with them about?

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                                                                        • bdld
                                                                          $100,000
                                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                                          • 11452

                                                                          #37
                                                                          yeah that was a stupid idea from the start. if you want to watch it on tv you get a dvd or order it with your remote from your cable subscriber.

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                                                                          • Christina Muller
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                                                                            • Mar 2007
                                                                            • 923

                                                                            #38
                                                                            I must admit the concept looks fantastic,hence the amount of investors but sometimes even the best of ideas fail and you can see why when you look deep into them.


                                                                            Also working with many large european adult corps I have witnessed some great ideas such as the prepaid card with a pin for example(sold in stores discreet next to prepaid telephone cards) .. everyone thought it was a fantastic idea..even I couldnt find a fault with that ...but it never seemed to really take off .

                                                                            So even good ideas can fail too.

                                                                            When it comes to adult xxx it cam become a science what will or will not work .

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                                                                            • bdld
                                                                              $100,000
                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                              • 11452

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho
                                                                              I guess investors were all mainstream?
                                                                              most people in mainstream have no clue about adult (and vice versa).

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                                                                              • Christina Muller
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                                                                                • Mar 2007
                                                                                • 923

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by Porno Dan
                                                                                I met with the owners of Fyre TV, they have very deep pockets and a long term business strategy.

                                                                                They might well make this work.

                                                                                Dan it doesnt matter how big thier pockets are it just means they will lose more money!


                                                                                Be honest do you really think this concept has a chance?
                                                                                if so how?

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                                                                                • datatank
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                                                                                  • Aug 2004
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Christina Muller
                                                                                  Dan it doesnt matter how big thier pockets are it just means they will lose more money!


                                                                                  Be honest do you really think this concept has a chance?
                                                                                  if so how?
                                                                                  They missed Badmans dinners the concept is doomed

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                                                                                  • Corona
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                                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                                    • 2185

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I got a box to try out when it first came out and liked it.

                                                                                    I also promoted them and was a very happy affiliate.
                                                                                    I was looking for a job, and then I found a job
                                                                                    And heaven knows I'm miserable now

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                                                                                    • Christina Muller
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                                                                                      • Mar 2007
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Corona
                                                                                      I got a box to try out when it first came out and liked it.

                                                                                      I also promoted them and was a very happy affiliate.


                                                                                      Thats sounds like you didnt carry on with it when you say ...when it first came out?


                                                                                      It looked a fantastic product,but the market wasnt big enough ,and that was easy to see I think ?

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                                                                                      • CyberHustler
                                                                                        Masterbaiter
                                                                                        • Feb 2006
                                                                                        • 28758

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Never heard of it...
                                                                                        “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                        • Corona
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                                                                                          • Feb 2002
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by Christina Muller
                                                                                          Thats sounds like you didnt carry on with it when you say ...when it first came out?
                                                                                          I had it for a few months but I only got it to see how well it worked and how best to promote it.

                                                                                          The customers must have like it because it recurred very well. The only bad thing was the recurring was only $3 a month.
                                                                                          I was looking for a job, and then I found a job
                                                                                          And heaven knows I'm miserable now

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                                                                                          • brand0n
                                                                                            been very busy
                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                            • 26983

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            wait
                                                                                            funded with the ibill funds???
                                                                                            want to buy this spot for cheap? it is of course for sale. long term deals are always the best bet. brand0n/ at/ a o l dot commies.

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                                                                                            • Why
                                                                                              MFBA
                                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                                              • 7230

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              well, it was a bad idea from the get go. no surprise here.

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