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  • xlogger
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2004
    • 9507
    #51
    Originally posted by sltr
    there are billions of dollars transacted on the web yearly and NONE of that needs anyone to fax anything in
    Well, maybe they should start doing it.

    I go to buy cigs from the same store and the fucker asks me for ID everytime even though she saw me the other day, lol. I understand why she does it, its to protect themselfs. Its a little irritating, yes, but so what? If you dont want a host that asks for id then fine. Im saying, i dont have a problem with it.

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      • sltr
        Confirmed User
        • Dec 2002
        • 3191
        #52
        Originally posted by Brad Mitchell
        - I'm just coming from the perspective of being active and involved with my clients and always looking out for their best interests.

        Brad
        there is NO such thing as looking out for the best interest of a client by having them fax cc and personal info to the general office fax machine, come on man,

        millions of dollars get transacted everyday on the internet without having to do something as risky as sending that info to the office fax machine

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          • sltr
            Confirmed User
            • Dec 2002
            • 3191
            #53
            Originally posted by xlogger
            Well, maybe they should start doing it.

            I go to buy cigs from the same store and the fucker asks me for ID everytime even though she saw me the other day, lol. I understand why she does it, its to protect themselfs. Its a little irritating, yes, but so what? If you dont want a host that asks for id then fine. Im saying, i dont have a problem with it.
            that is because it is against the law to sell cigs to minors, you are comparing apples to oranges

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              • pr0
                rockin tha trailerpark
                • May 2001
                • 23088
                #54
                Originally posted by xlogger
                When? 2 or 3 years ago thery were not doing it. Now almost all are doing it, its common practice now.

                If you buy hosting for anything over 1k/m they ask for ID.

                What if you buy cigs and beer with the water, do you need to show ID? Yes.

                I dont understand what the big deal is showing your ID.

                What if someone stold your CC and used it for hosting? Wouldnt you want that host to ask for ID?
                We're both reasonably intelligent people. So let me explain the areas for corruption inherent with collecting personal identification.

                Case #1 - The data is stored locally & the office building is broken into.

                Case #2 - The fax/or data is not destroyed properly & is found in a dumpster.

                Case #3 - Some 18yo the company just hired decides to take the scan home to make his friend a fake ID....you just happen to look like Johnny Miller.

                Case #4 - The hosting company is owned by criminals, who use your personal information to setup several credit accounts, cell phone plans etc. And by the time you recieve a credit report 6 months later you're fucked, with a capital F.

                And i'm a big fan of personal privacy. As far as i'm concerned a phone call from a land based line with functioning caller ID is good enough.

                If a hosting company considers the bandwidth you "might" burn as "credit" then they need to be JUST AS secure as a credit company. And i can tell you from personal experience, they aren't.
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                  • directfiesta
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 30183
                    #55
                    Originally posted by sltr
                    that is because it is against the law to sell cigs to minors, you are comparing apples to oranges

                    .. aside from the fact that that store owner doesn't make and keep a copy of the shown ID ...
                    I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                    But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                      • sltr
                        Confirmed User
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 3191
                        #56
                        Originally posted by directfiesta
                        .. aside from the fact that that store owner doesn't make and keep a copy of the shown ID ...
                        once again you totally prove my points!

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                          • sltr
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2002
                            • 3191
                            #57
                            Originally posted by pr0
                            We're both reasonably intelligent people. So let me explain the areas for corruption inherent with collecting personal identification.

                            Case #1 - The data is stored locally & the office building is broken into.

                            Case #2 - The fax/or data is not destroyed properly & is found in a dumpster.

                            Case #3 - Some 18yo the company just hired decides to take the scan home to make his friend a fake ID....you just happen to look like Johnny Miller.

                            Case #4 - The hosting company is owned by criminals, who use your personal information to setup several credit accounts, cell phone plans etc. And by the time you recieve a credit report 6 months later you're fucked, with a capital F.

                            And i'm a big fan of personal privacy. As far as i'm concerned a phone call from a land based line with functioning caller ID is good enough.

                            If a hosting company considers the bandwidth you "might" burn as "credit" then they need to be JUST AS secure as a credit company. And i can tell you from personal experience, they aren't.
                            post of the day, end of discussion

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                              • BlingDaddy
                                Confirmed User
                                • Apr 2004
                                • 6343
                                #58
                                No... my hoster knows me. And I reccomend him/them/they. Not in sig? Hit me if you want detailz.
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                                  • emthree
                                    Dialer Kingpin
                                    • Jun 2003
                                    • 10816
                                    #59
                                    5 Years ago - Yeh, sure.
                                    2006 - No thanks.

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                                      • Webby
                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 14956
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Brad Mitchell
                                        Guys... come on. Speaking as a host, it's not that unreasonable of a request. I'm not saying that I regularly ask for such things but you have to remember that sometimes we get people asking for service that raise a number of red flags. I am of the belief that it is in the best interests of every hosting company to know it's clients if for any other reason than to protect their other clients from the trouble that some people cause. At the end of the day your host is someone that you need to develop a trust relationship with, I think - just like your banker, lawyer, accountant. I know there are many of you that disagree and like anonimity - I'm just coming from the perspective of being active and involved with my clients and always looking out for their best interests.

                                        Brad
                                        Cumon Brad!

                                        I know you like to know all your clients "to protect their other clients", but a net business is not exactly a bank and "know your customer" to the level of personal ID's was never a requirement to be a host. Ya want a bank statement next?

                                        Na my man, - you don't have to develop any trust with clients - it's the client who has to have some trust in the host since they are probably far more at risk financially. To develop such trust, perhaps the host can provide personal ID's of their staff??

                                        And, believe me... a host sure as hell is not a lawyer, banker or accountant. They have professional guidelines to follow.

                                        Flip side, yea, totally agree with a decent relationship with anyone you do biz with, but a DNA test is not one of them.


                                        PS The above not only applies to hosting, but to every damned service, sponsor, third party processor and their dogs. Webmasters have a lot more to lose if a sponsor, processor or host screws up. Can I have a sperm count, a DNA test and a copy of your passport, ID, latest bank statements? Thanks!
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                                          • fl_prn_str
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2004
                                            • 5736
                                            #61
                                            as long as you have the 3 digits of the back of your cc....wtf do they need any more info....next they will want ID, Passport, voters reg and a SS Card.....intrusive bastards....

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                                              • Ca$h-collector
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Apr 2006
                                                • 134
                                                #62
                                                I don't think so..

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                                                  • chaze
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                    • 9774
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Fabien
                                                    Would you fax in your ID for hosting approval ?
                                                    Even though you paid with your credit card ?

                                                    Sure why not, you show your id at the store. What's the big deal?
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                                                      • baddog
                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                        • 107089
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by xlogger
                                                        What if someone stold your CC and used it for hosting? Wouldnt you want that host to ask for ID?
                                                        We have had a few fraudulent credit card attempts to purchase hosting from us. Fraud control is easy enough without resorting to requiring a faxed photo ID.

                                                        I would not know if it was you or not.

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                                                          • pood
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Feb 2004
                                                            • 1609
                                                            #65
                                                            had to send in my id scan when I wanted SSH for webair

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                                                              • darksoul
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Apr 2002
                                                                • 4997
                                                                #66
                                                                There are other ways to protect against fraud, let alone the fact
                                                                that you can hardly trust a scanned copy.
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                                                                  • GTS Mark
                                                                    Vrume Mark
                                                                    • Jan 2001
                                                                    • 20912
                                                                    #67
                                                                    If I am going to trust my business with them, I should be able to trust them with my ID.

                                                                    DH

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                                                                      • Webby
                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                        • Oct 2002
                                                                        • 14956
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by chaze
                                                                        Sure why not, you show your id at the store. What's the big deal?
                                                                        That may be a North American custom chaze, but sure it not the case in other countries. Folks don't carry "ID's" around - that's what the credit card is for, and anyways, many countries don't even have "Photo ID's" as such and are strongly opposed to the idea.
                                                                        XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

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                                                                          • Fabien
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                            • 4789
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Web air guys Web air
                                                                            Over 24 hrs since my first email sent stating

                                                                            Like what ??????????????????????????????????????????
                                                                            Pardon ??????????????????????????

                                                                            Still no response

                                                                            Lots of cool interesting replies and i must admit. They all go the way i think.
                                                                            That it's not politicly correct to send this info

                                                                            If this is going to be the way USA hosting companies will work in the futur, well chow baby

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                                                                              • Brad Mitchell
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                                • 9813
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST
                                                                                If I am going to trust my business with them, I should be able to trust them with my ID.

                                                                                DH


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                                                                                  • Vitasoy
                                                                                    GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!!
                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                    • 58202
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    I sure did, when I got my hosting setup


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                                                                                      • gecko
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                                                                                        • Jun 2002
                                                                                        • 21846
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        I have in the past
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                                                                                          • Fabien
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                            • 4789
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            I won't send this
                                                                                            First of all it's against my principals !!!!
                                                                                            Second, fucking too risky

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                                                                                              • Brad Mitchell
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                                                • 9813
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                I run my business to a higher standard. Most hosts don't ask questions, that is their choice. Anyone who has spent any amount of time with myself or my staff appreciates that their business and any information on file is completely safe with us. If hosting service is nothing more than a commodity to you and your business without any other intrinsic value, perhaps you haven't had the right web host yet! As I stated earlier in the thread, I regularly only collect basic contact information but if I questioned someone's legitimacy I wouldn't hesitate to ask for more information. My instincts are good, this is how I have kept spammers (etc) off my network for four years.

                                                                                                Brad
                                                                                                President at MojoHost | brad at mojohost dot com | Skype MojoHostBrad
                                                                                                71 industry awards for hosting and professional excellence since 1999

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                                                                                                  • Fabien
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                    • 4789
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Glad you didn't get spammers in your thingo
                                                                                                    I've been online for almost 10 years and as someone said earlier, i was there before MAJOR HOSTING COMPANIES WERE BORN

                                                                                                    If a sponsor asks for an ID (as it happened only once in 10 years) i turn my back and go away. There is a limit at controlling people and i think it's crossing the limit.

                                                                                                    It's your business, run it as you whish

                                                                                                    What's next ?
                                                                                                    A written contract that i have to bend over twice per year ?

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                                                                                                      • RawAlex
                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                        • 9465
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Fabien, maybe you need to look at it in a different way:

                                                                                                        With the number of scammers, spammers, and tool bar jammers out there, hosts should be clearly aware of exactly who they are providing services to. If the DoJ or FBI or whoever it is shows up at the hosts door and their entire billing comes back as untracable, don't you think they would look pretty stupid?

                                                                                                        Hosting is a contract (even month to month) and even in accepting a credit card or a check, companies need to have confidence in who they are dealing with. It is way to easy to open an account with a fresh stolen credit card, stick a bunch of toolbars or viruses on the account, spam the living shit out of the domain, and then run away after the damage is done with no way for anyone to track you down.

                                                                                                        I would think that perhaps the company asking your for the ID has been burned once too often.

                                                                                                        Alex

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                                                                                                          • pr0
                                                                                                            rockin tha trailerpark
                                                                                                            • May 2001
                                                                                                            • 23088
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            i've never been asked for an ID, i guess because everyone knows me.....so i suppose the same hosts that didn't ask me, might ask you

                                                                                                            either way....anything under 1k a month without a contract, shouldn't require an ID imho
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                                                                                                              • Fabien
                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                • 4789
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Yeah again it's only a small virutal account
                                                                                                                A bit pathetic no ?

                                                                                                                I know hosts and MOSTLY USA hosts have it in the balls regarding FBI spammers etc....
                                                                                                                I can understand that. But it scares the shit out of me to send all my infos to who the fuck is at the other end ? Kinda damn crazy if you ask me.

                                                                                                                Those that say "Well they don't know you" Well isn't the same on my end ?

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                                                                                                                  • chaze
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                    • 9774
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Also keep in mind no established hosting company will ask for this unless some flags come up. Using a proxy to sign up, a free email address, unregistered domain name, there are lots we use for fraud. DWHS.com actually uses a phone call back system for instant activation and run a updating black list of i.p.'s for checking out. This is is good enough 99.9% of the time. Another good one is to ask the user what bank the card is from, you can get this from your merchant account but unless the card was physically stolen they will have a hard time finding this and move on to find a new sucker.
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                                                                                                                      • chaze
                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                        • 9774
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Fabien
                                                                                                                        Yeah again it's only a small virutal account
                                                                                                                        A bit pathetic no ?

                                                                                                                        I know hosts and MOSTLY USA hosts have it in the balls regarding FBI spammers etc....
                                                                                                                        I can understand that. But it scares the shit out of me to send all my infos to who the fuck is at the other end ? Kinda damn crazy if you ask me.

                                                                                                                        Those that say "Well they don't know you" Well isn't the same on my end ?
                                                                                                                        I do agree trust has to met in the middle or even a little more on the business side first.

                                                                                                                        After all business has to be earned.
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                                                                                                                          • Fabien
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                            • 4789
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            The only thing i can see is that i registered a new domain and and a couple of minutes after registered for hosting

                                                                                                                            Used my Visa that have since i'm what 18 ? and i have grey hair hehehehehe
                                                                                                                            No free email used, no proxy used

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                                                                                                                              • chaze
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                • 9774
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Fabien
                                                                                                                                The only thing i can see is that i registered a new domain and and a couple of minutes after registered for hosting

                                                                                                                                Used my Visa that have since i'm what 18 ? and i have grey hair hehehehehe
                                                                                                                                No free email used, no proxy used
                                                                                                                                That's strange, can you call them?

                                                                                                                                Maybe there fraud system had a error.


                                                                                                                                Fabien.. Can I ask how you heard of them?
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                                                                                                                                  • Fabien
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 4789
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Well i knew about them since they started but never used them
                                                                                                                                    It's just that someone said to tried them which i did now i'm confused
                                                                                                                                    Anyways, i'm going to the gym guys. Keep it coming and when i get back, i'll read all your thoughts about it and decide what i do

                                                                                                                                    Let's just say that it's 1 ball 2 strikes for them right now hehehehe
                                                                                                                                    Cheers

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                                                                                                                                      • elitetec
                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2005
                                                                                                                                        • 4944
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        No way....



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                                                                                                                                          • sltr
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 3191
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by chaze
                                                                                                                                            Also keep in mind no established hosting company will ask for this unless some flags come up.

                                                                                                                                            that is completely not true

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                                                                                                                                              • Fabien
                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 4789
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Last call bump

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                                                                                                                                                  • GiveIntoMe
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                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2006
                                                                                                                                                    • 516
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Webby
                                                                                                                                                    Definately not.

                                                                                                                                                    Don't need a host to "approve" anything - they, and anyone else who gets paid, just needs to provide the service they get paid for or fuck off.
                                                                                                                                                    lol well said dude, well said.
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                                                                                                                                                      • chaze
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                        • 9774
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by sltr
                                                                                                                                                        that is completely not true
                                                                                                                                                        Your right, most would be better, I guess you can't say "all" to anything with one situation. I meant to say it in general.. my bad
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