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Why does everyone hates CCBill sponsors?

04-14-2006, 01:11 AM

I noticed everyone kinda hates using ccbill sponsors to promote!

Why is that?? Are they not proffessional enough?

Are they not converting or what?

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04-14-2006, 01:32 AM

I am sure nobody hates them but today most people prefer cascading billing. For me ccbill-only doesn't cut it
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04-14-2006, 01:34 AM

1:10000

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04-14-2006, 01:37 AM

Originally posted by Franck

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Really? That sucks!

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04-14-2006, 01:41 AM

I don't..it depends on the site but I do a lot of fetish stuff and most of the 'real' fetish sites are ccbill sites run by some guy with a love for his fetish. I am just glad I can group them all under one account so they add up to one bigger check.
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04-14-2006, 02:06 AM

Originally posted by Franck

1:10000

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could be better if they started accepting more credit cards from more countries
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04-14-2006, 02:16 AM

Most of them doesnt offer trials so that why i hate them. I love revshare with trials.
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04-14-2006, 02:17 AM

Originally posted by Franck

1:10000

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promoting shitty paysites is your answer, not ccbill
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04-14-2006, 02:20 AM

1:580 overall ratio for the day across all our webmasters (dieselaction+dieselcash), with no trials. I can backup this number any moment.
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04-14-2006, 02:20 AM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

1:580 overall ratio for the day across all our webmasters (dieselaction+dieselcash), with no trials. I can backup this number any moment.

Can you back this up?
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04-14-2006, 02:28 AM

most serious paysites do that im on approx 1:500 for solarcash too for ages already

plus theres still the issue that everyone compares raw first page to 2nd page uniques thatll change though everyone knows cc-bill works on stats like that

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04-14-2006, 02:33 AM

Originally posted by sarah_webinc

I don't..it depends on the site but I do a lot of fetish stuff and most of the 'real' fetish sites are ccbill sites run by some guy with a love for his fetish. I am just glad I can group them all under one account so they add up to one bigger check.

Thats why as an affiliate, i always hated when my ccbill sponsor accounts jumped ship for cascading billing. If you only put your traffic emphasis on a few programs thats one thing.... but when you have hundreds and hundreds of ccbill accounts, and you may generate a sale or two with a program, and it fizzles out... with ccbill i get paid for those, becuase they dont get lost under that $100 or, god forbid haha!!,... the $50 minimum.

No offense to cascading billing. For the affiliate program... it's "great", and we are all familiar with how easy they are for hosted galleries, link coding, tracking, etc.

If your a big affiliate program, and have alot of sites to promote, cascading is more doable for smaller webmasters, becuase they can promote all your sites, but if you only have one or two, on a cascading system, my guess is your best affiliates are going to be the ones who focus on just promoting your sites and a few others.

Im basically saying this is an issue for small to medium, and possibly many larger tgp webmasters, and webmasters who just flat spread out there traffic , who have no choice but to NOT promote a cascading affiliate program, becuase the webmaster doesnt want to send traffic where he's not going to get the money from even 1 or 2 sales.

As we grow and build more sites that reflect alot of different niches, we will probably switch over to a cascading system ourselves, but for the time being we have alot of smaller webmasters, who would simply just get cut out of the loop on sales. CCbill's system is much easier and more convienent then to personally send out a couple of hundred extra $14.95 checks.

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04-14-2006, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by TreasureBucks

Thats why as an affiliate, i always hated when my ccbill sponsor accounts jumped ship for cascading billing. If you only put your traffic emphasis on a few programs thats one thing.... but when you have hundreds and hundreds of ccbill accounts, and you may generate a sale or two with a program, and it fizzles out... with ccbill i get paid for those, becuase they dont get lost under that $100 or, god forbid haha!!,... the $50 minimum.

No offense to cascading billing. For the affiliate program... it's "great", and we are all familiar with how easy they are for hosted galleries, link coding, tracking, etc.

If your a big affiliate program, and have alot of sites to promote, cascading is more doable for smaller webmasters, becuase they can promote all your sites, but if you only have one or two, on a cascading system, my guess is your best affiliates are going to be the ones who focus on just promoting your sites and a few others.

Im basically saying this is an issue for small to medium, and possibly many larger tgp webmasters, and webmasters who just flat spread out there traffic , who have no choice but to NOT promote a cascading affiliate program, becuase the webmaster doesnt want to send traffic where he's not going to get the money from even 1 or 2 sales.

As we grow and build more sites that reflect alot of different niches, we will probably switch over to a cascading system ourselves, but for the time being we have alot of smaller webmasters, who would simply just get cut out of the loop on sales. CCbill's system is much easier and more convienent then to personally send out a couple of hundred extra $14.95 checks.

very true

we looked at casc billing too, sure you win a few % on dailers checks maybe 1-800 direct debit, but the hassle, the costs to send out 1000s of checks.

Everyone has a top 100 making serious money but also a LOT of guys that make 10 bucks a month. Thats gonna cost you to outsource that for checks or even epass.

Ccbill takes care and its just fine. And if they add the raw vs unique 2nd page stats itll be even better.

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04-14-2006, 02:38 AM

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04-14-2006, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by Franck

Can you back this up?

for what it worths http://www.netexcitement.com/ratio.jpg

with new DA release we'll possible show our overall ratio stats straight from nats DB. Have in mind ratio will more likely further drop like usually happens as the hours pass and americans woke up lol. Although this is not our year to date ratio it is very close some 15-16% difference and this includes a very large amount of blind traffic we get from few affiliates or what i call bad marketing.

I'll tell you just this, no month passes without having a cc processor co. contacting us to switch to their system. If there was a reason we would do it. I've operated merchant accounts before and I do know when there is a problem or where there isn't. We don't have 40 paysites and we have only 8 so far (trying to double them) because it's impossible to make 40 paysites to convert great and retain well forever regardless what anyone will tell you. Each new paysite is an outcome of a lot of hard work and it's a really time consuming process.

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04-14-2006, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by thinkx

very true

we looked at casc billing too, sure you win a few % on dailers checks maybe 1-800 direct debit, but the hassle, the costs to send out 1000s of checks.

Everyone has a top 100 making serious money but also a LOT of guys that make 10 bucks a month. Thats gonna cost you to outsource that for checks or even epass.

Ccbill takes care and its just fine. And if they add the raw vs unique 2nd page stats itll be even better.

At first, from an affiliate point of view... when nats came on the seen. I was worried. Literally, very worried, and as more and more of my ccbill accounts did jump ship, they basically disappeared from my traffic radar becuase I lost money on the 1 or 2 sales that i would send.
nats makes it affordable and easier...my hats off to John...I had the pleasure of actually sitting down with John in Vegas and discussing nats for treasurebucks, and i think when implemented properly, cascading can be extremely rewarding for both the program owner and the affiliates.

CCbill is just a well run company and have earned the trust of many many people, and have many people that work there who strive to offer every client, big and small, the same oppurtunity and respect. Not to mention... when you call them... you get someone who treats you with respect.

by saying that, alot of people are putting alot of trust into ccbill to not go down like IBILL, and take recurrings with them.

If that option was to happen, or if your with paycom, and you have all your rebills with just paycom and they were to go down... your sunk. You have to start all over.

But with a cascading system, you have the option to spread those signups around with different processors like ccbill, paycom, netbilling (your own merchant account), and if one of those processors go under... you take a hit, but your not knocked out of the game, and you might still be able to make the payments on your overpriced house and car, or your high maintenence girlfriend lol

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04-14-2006, 03:18 AM

one last thing....

if your a small company with a small or single site portfolio and go cascade, i think your losing alot of potential sales.

if your a big company with a large site portfolio, you should most def go with cascade, unless your sites dont convert very well.

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04-14-2006, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by TreasureBucks

...by saying that, alot of people are putting alot of trust into ccbill to not go down like IBILL, and take recurrings with them.

If that option was to happen, or if your with paycom, and you have all your rebills with just paycom and they were to go down... your sunk. You have to start all over.

But with a cascading system, you have the option to spread those signups around with different processors like ccbill, paycom, netbilling (your own merchant account), and if one of those processors go under... you take a hit, but your not knocked out of the game, and you might still be able to make the payments on your overpriced house and car, or your high maintenence girlfriend lol

Our main reason we switched was having the ability to cascade using several different billers. Putting all your eggs in one basket worried me from day one.
Now we have our own merchant account plus back up from another 3 billers which makes me sleep a little easier at night.
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04-14-2006, 03:35 AM

Originally posted by TreasureBucks

one last thing....

if your a small company with a small or single site portfolio and go cascade, i think your losing alot of potential sales.

if your a big company with a large site portfolio, you should most def go with cascade, unless your sites dont convert very well.

good advice there, thx
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04-14-2006, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by TreasureBucks

At first, from an affiliate point of view... when nats came on the seen. I was worried. Literally, very worried, and as more and more of my ccbill accounts did jump ship, they basically disappeared from my traffic radar becuase I lost money on the 1 or 2 sales that i would send.
nats makes it affordable and easier...my hats off to John...I had the pleasure of actually sitting down with John in Vegas and discussing nats for treasurebucks, and i think when implemented properly, cascading can be extremely rewarding for both the program owner and the affiliates.

CCbill is just a well run company and have earned the trust of many many people, and have many people that work there who strive to offer every client, big and small, the same oppurtunity and respect. Not to mention... when you call them... you get someone who treats you with respect.

by saying that, alot of people are putting alot of trust into ccbill to not go down like IBILL, and take recurrings with them.

If that option was to happen, or if your with paycom, and you have all your rebills with just paycom and they were to go down... your sunk. You have to start all over.

But with a cascading system, you have the option to spread those signups around with different processors like ccbill, paycom, netbilling (your own merchant account), and if one of those processors go under... you take a hit, but your not knocked out of the game, and you might still be able to make the payments on your overpriced house and car, or your high maintenence girlfriend lol

Good post

Nats works I'm sure and yes all at ccbill is a valid point still they're well managed transparant management and good reps

At this point with 6 sites its a bit too early for us but I'm keeping an open mind mind things changed for this industry every day

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04-14-2006, 06:03 AM

This has become an interesting thread! I am doing pretty well with some CFNM ccbill sponsors so I decided to promote the fuck out of them from now on.

It is not that they convert better or worse than sponsors who uses NATS but i just want to get my money a bit quicker. I am not a big affliate so CCBill is very good for me!

Another reason I am going to quit promoting nats sponsors is that I want to get my check as big as possible since I am paying 15 bucks for 1 check, lol

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04-14-2006, 06:11 AM

With Nats the processing fee is hidden or eaten by the sponsor.
ccBill it is right there taking money on every check.
Because ccBill is the low cost starter option a lot of the sites are just crap. 2 of the reasons I am leary of ccBill but I do promote them.
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04-14-2006, 06:16 AM

I mean I have to pay 15 bucks to exchange the check

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04-14-2006, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by rotterdammer

I mean I have to pay 15 bucks to exchange the check

ask jenni to group them and send a wire once a month or so

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04-14-2006, 08:34 AM

I've noticed some ccBill affiliates who use cascading billing without having a NATS program. They put the secondary billing code directly into their ccbill code. If ccBill doesn't process the order, the sight switches you to their secondary billing company who then tries to process it. This has worked out really well for me. I've noticed getting a good chunk of sales from the secondary processor which would have been lost sales.

Since I don't have enough posts to use a web address - I'll just put the code in without the

refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=905175&PA=329296&HTML=

(http)://click.exploitedteensasia.com:8080/ct?id=28096&banner=2639&url=/unhun102/index.html

the /ct?id=28096 is the secondary processor - it works.
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04-14-2006, 08:36 AM

ccbill - banning e-mails

Another thing I've noticed with ccBill is that when I've tried to sign up for ccBIll websites - they have banned my e-mail address. I've tried calling them to get them to change this but they won't. I'm not sure why, but once they put you on the ban list, you can't sign up.

So what I did, was use a different e-mail address and I was able to sign up for websites using ccBill.
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04-14-2006, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by brentschn

I've noticed some ccBill affiliates who use cascading billing without having a NATS program. They put the secondary billing code directly into their ccbill code. If ccBill doesn't process the order, the sight switches you to their secondary billing company who then tries to process it. This has worked out really well for me. I've noticed getting a good chunk of sales from the secondary processor which would have been lost sales.

Since I don't have enough posts to use a web address - I'll just put the code in without the

refer.ccbill.com/cgi-bin/clicks.cgi?CA=905175&PA=329296&HTML=

(http)://click.exploitedteensasia.com:8080/ct?id=28096&banner=2639&url=/unhun102/index.html

the /ct?id=28096 is the secondary processor - it works.

Great for you but not affilates, since they won't be getting credit for the sale.
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04-14-2006, 07:01 PM

i love ccbill sponsors!

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04-14-2006, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Soul_Rebel

1:580 overall ratio for the day across all our webmasters (dieselaction+dieselcash), with no trials. I can backup this number any moment.

Im doing 1/900 with diesel sites, considering how up and down ccbill has been for me accross the board, Im very happy with this ratio

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04-15-2006, 02:49 AM

Originally posted by Rockatansky

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04-15-2006, 02:50 AM

lately yes , bad ratio
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04-15-2006, 03:00 AM

hey kateplayground uses ccbill and no one seems to complain.. dont they make like 30 grand a month just of that 1 site?

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04-15-2006, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by Nasty

Im doing 1/900 with diesel sites, considering how up and down ccbill has been for me accross the board, Im very happy with this ratio

glad you are happy,but i think we can further improve it. Please send me an email letting me know how you promote our sites and from which sites/traffic sources and I'll see what we can do. Btw, if this # comes from ccbill stats it's raw clicks and not unique.
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