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  • Pleasurepays
    BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES
    • Aug 2002
    • 11913
    #151
    150 broken tours

    Originally Posted by Quick Buck
    hey diesel..

    you might want to spend more time working on your sites and less time telling other's how to run their business.

    half the images on your tours are broken...

    WTF are you talking about
    Originally posted by diesel
    WTF are you talking about



    Last edited by Pleasurepays; 04-09-2006, 02:56 PM.

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      • Juicy D. Links
        So Fucking Banned
        • Apr 2001
        • 122992
        #152
        hello evry1

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          • Rui
            web
            • Dec 2001
            • 9533
            #153
            Originally posted by Quick Buck
            maybe all the PPS programs should start copying mainstream and requiring an invoice and paying on net 60 terms

            No check? Sorry, we havent received your invoice.
            Sent an invoice? Sorry, we're aren't paying out for February yet.

            Hehe, adult has it SO GOOD it's scary.
            You make it sound like mainstream is bad

            BTW you seem to be a bit outdated regarding the "standart" payment terms

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              • OldSchoolJim
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2004
                • 3117
                #154
                I have now been on the same side of an argument as quickbuck in 2 separate threads......

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                  • circlekhabib
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 490
                    #155
                    You do make some intresting points, but it wil be a cold day in hell before webmasters accept low PPS payouts
                    no sheep won't accept low pps payouts.
                    smart webmasters realize they would make more
                    with a lower payout with no shave.

                    You blow the industry with 2 prechecked cross sales for years providing shitty content and same feeds everywhere, most of you shave your affiliates to cover your fucked up business and now when you start to get the shit back you complain
                    it's just a matter of time before the crap epoch allows to bite
                    them in the ass and
                    it will be a joyeous day when the hammer drops and see
                    how many can stay afloat without their cross sale scams
                    and extreme shave.
                    transexual sponsors

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                      • bigdog
                        Confirmed User
                        • Jul 2001
                        • 6964
                        #156
                        Originally posted by circlekhabib
                        no sheep won't accept low pps payouts.
                        smart webmasters realize they would make more
                        with a lower payout with no shave.


                        it's just a matter of time before the crap epoch allows to bite
                        them in the ass and
                        it will be a joyeous day when the hammer drops and see
                        how many can stay afloat without their cross sale scams
                        and extreme shave.

                        About this no shave thing, if shaving is going on I still wind up making more money with PPS programs.

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                          • Phil
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 7659
                            #157
                            what a great post... Got me thinking about paycom
                            Ask Phil

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                              • Snake Doctor
                                I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                • Mar 2001
                                • 13449
                                #158
                                Originally posted by Quick Buck
                                not to toot my own horn but this is a great friggin trailer..

                                super awesome.. props to datatanks as well as the friends of ours who made some cameo appearances

                                Hun Galleries to Taxicams routinely bring in 100+ joins a day.

                                http://www.taxicams.com/01/4.php?nats=


                                Ok i'll stop spamming now. back to the discussion.
                                Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

                                Give me a gallery (or content + hosting and we'll build the gallery) and we'll run the gallery on the hun in a week and publicly post the numbers on GFY.

                                If you're anywhere close to 100 joins you'll get more TGP guys pushing you than you can handle, in addition to more traffic from me.
                                sig too big

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                                  • AmateurWealth
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Dec 2005
                                    • 506
                                    #159
                                    Originally posted by Lenny2
                                    Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is?

                                    Give me a gallery (or content + hosting and we'll build the gallery) and we'll run the gallery on the hun in a week and publicly post the numbers on GFY.

                                    If you're anywhere close to 100 joins you'll get more TGP guys pushing you than you can handle, in addition to more traffic from me.
                                    If QB passes ...I will take that challenge all day.....i am more than confident in our stats....

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                                      • RogerV
                                        Banned!
                                        • Jul 2002
                                        • 12591
                                        #160
                                        Everyone take this moment to see sig and sign up.

                                        their is a surprise inside

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                                          • StatsJunky
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Aug 2005
                                            • 639
                                            #161
                                            Instead of soliciting new webmasters and traffic and spending $30,000 for GFY skins, paying $10,000 a month in sig fees and Hummer promotions etc... Why not put part of that money to better use?

                                            Sure you need new affiliates to continue growing your business but what about the ones that are already ACTIVELY promoting you?

                                            I have never in my 6 years of adult affiliate marketing ever had a company offer to help me optimize the existing traffic I was already sending to them. The only help I have received is emails telling me of new hosted galleries they just had built or maybe some new banners and to send more traffic.

                                            What if you spent half of your ad budget on employees that actually spent time helping affiliates individually optimize their existing campaigns. Not just talking about innovative tools, I'm talking about one on one help. Wouldn't that prove more profitable then just increasing your traffic?

                                            In my experience it is much easier to increase your business by optimizing the traffic you already have than soliciting new traffic.

                                            Help your existing affiliates maximize the traffic they're already sending and then start adding new sources.
                                            erik AT suthnet.com

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                                              • Tom_PM
                                                Porn Meister
                                                • Feb 2005
                                                • 16443
                                                #162
                                                Originally posted by StatsJunky
                                                Instead of soliciting new webmasters and traffic and spending $30,000 for GFY skins, paying $10,000 a month in sig fees and Hummer promotions etc... Why not put part of that money to better use?

                                                Sure you need new affiliates to continue growing your business but what about the ones that are already ACTIVELY promoting you?

                                                I have never in my 6 years of adult affiliate marketing ever had a company offer to help me optimize the existing traffic I was already sending to them. The only help I have received is emails telling me of new hosted galleries they just had built or maybe some new banners and to send more traffic.

                                                What if you spent half of your ad budget on employees that actually spent time helping affiliates individually optimize their existing campaigns. Not just talking about innovative tools, I'm talking about one on one help. Wouldn't that prove more profitable then just increasing your traffic?

                                                In my experience it is much easier to increase your business by optimizing the traffic you already have than soliciting new traffic.

                                                Help your existing affiliates maximize the traffic they're already sending and then start adding new sources.
                                                \

                                                It was very gratifying when I logged into our support message board this morning and had a nice private message from an affiliate who I helped last week. I'd checked her sample pages and offered up ways to improve this and that to get more productive clicks, and she said she did and it's been working

                                                Days like today are why I do it
                                                43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                  • StatsJunky
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Aug 2005
                                                    • 639
                                                    #163
                                                    Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                    \

                                                    It was very gratifying when I logged into our support message board this morning and had a nice private message from an affiliate who I helped last week. I'd checked her sample pages and offered up ways to improve this and that to get more productive clicks, and she said she did and it's been working

                                                    Days like today are why I do it


                                                    I would personally be offering help to my affiliates rather than waiting for them to come. But if you're already backlogged helping the ones that are asking then I guess that is OK too.
                                                    erik AT suthnet.com

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                                                      • Tom_PM
                                                        Porn Meister
                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                        • 16443
                                                        #164
                                                        Originally posted by StatsJunky


                                                        I would personally be offering help to my affiliates rather than waiting for them to come. But if you're already backlogged helping the ones that are asking then I guess that is OK too.
                                                        Thats a good point, and one I did research on another board with some long time people. The general consensus was that even if I surfed their sites, sent personalized emails offering this that and the other, that it would be considered too "spammy". Some said they wouldnt mind as long as it was not boiler plate "Hi, affiliate number X blah blah blah..", but overall it turned me off that idea..

                                                        There's a fairly steady stream of people who ask for help. Not all will try the advice, but can't do much more than offer ideas based on the pages they show.
                                                        43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                          • Bake
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Jan 2001
                                                            • 5916
                                                            #165
                                                            First off interesting thread it seems some real issues have been brought up here.
                                                            All of us have seen conversions dropping for years now. The survivors have learnt to market better. Look around how many webmasters that are just affiliates have been around longer than just a few years. Therehahaha8217;s not many thathahaha8217;s for sure.
                                                            Being just an affiliate (my choice) and being a very good one Ihahaha8217;m still surprised at the way people do business. All I care about is how much I make. Ithahaha8217;s great if you make lots of money as well.
                                                            Why do pay site owners want to have thousands of affiliates? Why donhahaha8217;t you just want a few really good guys that can send as many sales as thousands of sheep?

                                                            1) Your after a branded image and having thousands of sheep posting all the free stuff you give away and having your images fruskerd hot linked by choice It is all about branding. Your hope is to get your shit all over the net so people see you everyday and hopefully type in your domain one day. I see this as short term as it makes many problems that will detract from sales as sales it provides.
                                                            2) You just keep fishing for new affiliates in hope you may catch a whale?

                                                            Maybe what you really need is a good affiliate manager someone who knows who the good guys are. One thing for me is the more free stuff you offer the less chance you have of me sending you traffic.
                                                            Whathahaha8217;s the point of having great exclusive content and then handing it out to noobs who cant market and just waste it on TGPhahaha8217;s?
                                                            Do I really wish to compete with thousands of stupid webmasters who plaster your free everything everywhere.
                                                            I donhahaha8217;t need huge payouts or special tours but when I prove to you that I can send real sales work with me. I have one sponsor that pays me extra if I keep up over 100 sales per week. Ithahaha8217;s a deal we both worked out together and we are both happy with.
                                                            Once upond a time you had to prove you where a real webmaster before you could even signup to become an affiliate.

                                                            If we would like to see conversion rates go back up again maybe just maybe we need to look at the way affiliates are treated and what you give them.

                                                            Ihahaha8217;m sure all processors donhahaha8217;t like to have slow sales times as well. They only make money from the commission they charge and no sales means no commission.
                                                            Still it dose seem they lie to us most of the time about problems they do have.
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                                                              • Bake
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jan 2001
                                                                • 5916
                                                                #166
                                                                Re posted without the , '

                                                                First off interesting thread it seems some real issues have been brought up here.
                                                                All of us have seen conversions dropping for years now. The survivors have learnt to market better. Look around how many webmasters that are just affiliates have been around longer than just a few years. Theres not many thats for sure.
                                                                Being just an affiliate (my choice) and being a very good one Im still surprised at the way people do business. All I care about is how much I make. Its great if you make lots of money as well.
                                                                Why do pay site owners want to have thousands of affiliates? Why dont you just want a few really good guys that can send as many sales as thousands of sheep?

                                                                1) Your after a branded image and having thousands of sheep posting all the free stuff you give away and having your images fruskerd hot linked by choice It is all about branding. Your hope is to get your shit all over the net so people see you everyday and hopefully type in your domain one day. I see this as short term as it makes many problems that will detract from sales as sales it provides.
                                                                2) You just keep fishing for new affiliates in hope you may catch a whale?

                                                                Maybe what you really need is a good affiliate manager someone who knows who the good guys are. One thing for me is the more free stuff you offer the less chance you have of me sending you traffic.
                                                                Whats the point of having great exclusive content and then handing it out to noobs who cant market and just waste it on TGPs?
                                                                Do I really wish to compete with thousands of stupid webmasters who plaster your free everything everywhere.
                                                                I dont need huge payouts or special tours but when I prove to you that I can send real sales work with me. I have one sponsor that pays me extra if I keep up over 100 sales per week. Its a deal we both worked out together and we are both happy with.
                                                                Once upond a time you had to prove you where a real webmaster before you could even signup to become an affiliate.

                                                                If we would like to see conversion rates go back up again maybe just maybe we need to look at the way affiliates are treated and what you give them.

                                                                Im sure all processors dont like to have slow sales times as well. They only make money from the commission they charge and no sales means no commission.
                                                                Still it dose seem they lie to us most of the time about problems they do have.
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                                                                  • p1mpdogg
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                    • 16714
                                                                    #167
                                                                    If we would like to see conversion rates go back up again maybe just maybe we need to look at the way affiliates are treated and what you give them.
                                                                    getting programs to cooperate all together will never happen. thast why programs cant tighten up shit, because the other programs will take that chance to grab more affiliates and end up fucking everything up in the long run.

                                                                    its sad programs cant unite on anything.
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                                                                      • Theo
                                                                        HAL 9000
                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                        • 34515
                                                                        #168
                                                                        Originally posted by Quick Buck
                                                                        and half the links on your affiliate page don't function.

                                                                        jesus man, you're an embarassment to program owners everywhere.

                                                                        some broken images is the best you can do? Hooper you can do better

                                                                        I guess RPC scanning n' installing is a dead business these days and we'll have you give a fight for the last ultra super trial that payouts a million dollar letting you a miserly $5



                                                                        cheers

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                                                                          • bigdog
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jul 2001
                                                                            • 6964
                                                                            #169
                                                                            Originally posted by Soul_Rebel
                                                                            some broken images is the best you can do? Hooper you can do better

                                                                            I guess RPC scanning n' installing is a dead business these days and we'll have you give a fight for the last ultra super trial that payouts a million dollar letting you a miserly $5



                                                                            cheers
                                                                            $5 profit ain't much if thats what the acutal margins are

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                                                                              • TheSenator
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Feb 2003
                                                                                • 13330
                                                                                #170
                                                                                I need a summary please.
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                                                                                  • Phoenix
                                                                                    BACON BACON BACON
                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                    • 35475
                                                                                    #171
                                                                                    Originally posted by Ray
                                                                                    I have not seen an increase in CB's or a decrease in rebills. I have however see a huge decrease in sales, 30-40%. I'm not talking about just my program (to new to compare), I'm talking about programs that I have been pushing for years.

                                                                                    I have spoken to a couple of large programs and from what I understand there is a POSSIBILITY that we are experiencing another one of those situations where someone is installing some shit on surfers PC's causing join pages to redirect to their program. Just speculation maybe, but it seems to be the only REAL reason ive heard that could be causing this.

                                                                                    Ray

                                                                                    that is my guess as well
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                                                                                      • Bake
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                        • 5916
                                                                                        #172
                                                                                        Bump for a good thread
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                                                                                          • Rand
                                                                                            Industry Vet
                                                                                            • Jan 2002
                                                                                            • 2663
                                                                                            #173
                                                                                            Well.. this has been some read.

                                                                                            Let's dispel a few myths with the facts.

                                                                                            - Epoch does not categorically adjust the scrub up or down across the board. We approach risk management with a scalpel, not a sledge hammer.

                                                                                            - No across-the-board changes have taken place that would affect sign-ups, conversions, rebills, cross-sales, credits or chargebacks.

                                                                                            - A chargeback is initiated at the bank level by the cardholder. Your IPSP is in place to help prevent them but cannot completely stop them.

                                                                                            - Previous ePassporte sign-ups have no affect on chargeback levels.

                                                                                            - Our business model is perfectly aligned with that of our clients. Our job is to help you maintain ratios, remain within all banking rules and regulations, and process as many legitimate sales as possible.

                                                                                            - It is our job to help ensure that programs/clients remain within ratios. If ratios creep toward a questionable level, action is taken to help make sure clients do not get into a fine situation. Secondary sales (cross sales/up sells) would be the first to undergo scrutiny and reflect changes. Primary sales would not be affected except in very extreme circumstances.

                                                                                            - I'm not going to be specific in this statement, but if you do you homework you find that the issue of lower sales, conversions, higher credits, etc... has been industry wide in recent weeks. Any anomalies are not Paycom specific.

                                                                                            BTW - EpicJim probably wins the prize for most intelligent post on this thread. The truth of the matter is a LOT of industry woes might be alleviated if as an industry everyone moved away from PPS programs and moved to rev-share payouts. This would go a long way to cleaning things up.

                                                                                            -

                                                                                            PIMPDOG - After speaking with tech, compliance, and risk management regarding your account, giving you the benefit of a doubt, I believe your post is more about frustration than actual issues. You've been around long enough to know how to run your business appropriately and successfully. Concentrate on that.

                                                                                            Let's just keep things professional so we can all continue making money and leave it at that.

                                                                                            Know that you can contact us/me directly with questions at any time.
                                                                                            Last edited by Rand; 04-10-2006, 01:32 PM.
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                                                                                              • aico
                                                                                                Moo Moo Cow
                                                                                                • Mar 2004
                                                                                                • 14748
                                                                                                #174
                                                                                                Originally posted by Rand
                                                                                                Well.. this has been some read.

                                                                                                Secondary sales (cross sales/up sells) would be the first to undergo scrutiny and reflect changes. Primary sales would not be affected except in very extreme circumstances.
                                                                                                I have a question. Say I have a cross sale on my join page, and as you say it is under "scrutiny' being a cross sale. If that cross sale fails, will my entire transaction fail with it?

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                                                                                                  • Rand
                                                                                                    Industry Vet
                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                    • 2663
                                                                                                    #175
                                                                                                    Originally posted by aico
                                                                                                    I have a question. Say I have a cross sale on my join page, and as you say it is under "scrutiny' being a cross sale. If that cross sale fails, will my entire transaction fail with it?
                                                                                                    No. Each sale is separate. The most important sale to process (obviously) is the primary sale. It is possible for a primary sale to approve and a cross-sale decline if a cardholders limit has been reached.
                                                                                                    -- Rand


                                                                                                    Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

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                                                                                                      • aico
                                                                                                        Moo Moo Cow
                                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                                        • 14748
                                                                                                        #176
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Rand
                                                                                                        No. Each sale is separate. The most important sale to process (obviously) is the primary sale. It is possible for a primary sale to approve and a cross-sale decline if a cardholders limit has been reached.
                                                                                                        Thanks

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                                                                                                          • OldSchoolJim
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Nov 2004
                                                                                                            • 3117
                                                                                                            #177
                                                                                                            Big ups to RAND for coming out and talking about this.....this always tends to calm webmasters down as the rampant chatter between companies can get out of hand....
                                                                                                            Last edited by OldSchoolJim; 04-10-2006, 02:11 PM.

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                                                                                                              • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                • 16714
                                                                                                                #178
                                                                                                                Originally posted by Rand
                                                                                                                Well.. this has been some read.

                                                                                                                Let's dispel a few myths with the facts.

                                                                                                                - Epoch does not categorically adjust the scrub up or down across the board. We approach risk management with a scalpel, not a sledge hammer.

                                                                                                                - No across-the-board changes have taken place that would affect sign-ups, conversions, rebills, cross-sales, credits or chargebacks.

                                                                                                                - A chargeback is initiated at the bank level by the cardholder. Your IPSP is in place to help prevent them but cannot completely stop them.

                                                                                                                - Previous ePassporte sign-ups have no affect on chargeback levels.

                                                                                                                - Our business model is perfectly aligned with that of our clients. Our job is to help you maintain ratios, remain within all banking rules and regulations, and process as many legitimate sales as possible.

                                                                                                                - It is our job to help ensure that programs/clients remain within ratios. If ratios creep toward a questionable level, action is taken to help make sure clients do not get into a fine situation. Secondary sales (cross sales/up sells) would be the first to undergo scrutiny and reflect changes. Primary sales would not be affected except in very extreme circumstances.

                                                                                                                - I'm not going to be specific in this statement, but if you do you homework you find that the issue of lower sales, conversions, higher credits, etc... has been industry wide in recent weeks. Any anomalies are not Paycom specific.

                                                                                                                BTW - EpicJim probably wins the prize for most intelligent post on this thread. The truth of the matter is a LOT of industry woes might be alleviated if as an industry everyone moved away from PPS programs and moved to rev-share payouts. This would go a long way to cleaning things up.

                                                                                                                -

                                                                                                                PIMPDOG - After speaking with tech, compliance, and risk management regarding your account, giving you the benefit of a doubt, I believe your post is more about frustration than actual issues. You've been around long enough to know how to run your business appropriately and successfully. Concentrate on that.

                                                                                                                Let's just keep things professional so we can all continue making money and leave it at that.

                                                                                                                Know that you can contact us/me directly with questions at any time.
                                                                                                                yea rand it is and was and still is a post out of frustration. Ive never gotten a solid response from paycom and its always the same one until you posted this.

                                                                                                                things like a customer charging back after almost 2 years is kind of questionabe isnt it? they cancelled over a year ago, and the cb just comes in out of the blue? that kinda stuff is pretty odd since i have never seen this happen before. have you?


                                                                                                                and yes i have been around long enough to know how to run my business. why do you think i have a back up in place and a backup for that backup when and if you guys decide to ever get squirrely.

                                                                                                                oh and dont tell me what to concentrate on. lets keep the sarcasm from an industry professional, professional.


                                                                                                                there is clear evidence in this thread that somehing is going on, and its very clear alot are questioning their processors wether it be paycom or someone else.
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                                                                                                                  • Aly
                                                                                                                    President, ePufferProfits
                                                                                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                    • 1881
                                                                                                                    #179
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by EpicJim
                                                                                                                    Big ups to RAND for coming out and talking about this.....this always tends to calm webmasters down as the rampant chatter between companies can get out of hand....
                                                                                                                    Agreed. Way to keep things cool.
                                                                                                                    .

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                                                                                                                      • The Other Steve
                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                        • Dec 2001
                                                                                                                        • 2106
                                                                                                                        #180
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                                        in fact I think sunnydollars is the best of the two.. nice good aggressive "upgrade" now prompts and the way they have dates on the content to let the sufer know they upgrade all the time (when they probably don't).. awesome stuff.
                                                                                                                        Sunny Dollars actually do update their content - new video gets added 4 times a day.

                                                                                                                        I've been writing a series of reviews for them over the last few months and I do see new videos in there every day.
                                                                                                                        Left intentionally blank ... just like my brain

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                                                                                                                          • maxsweet
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                                                            • 310
                                                                                                                            #181
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Rand

                                                                                                                            - I'm not going to be specific in this statement, but if you do you homework you find that the issue of lower sales, conversions, higher credits, etc... has been industry wide in recent weeks. Any anomalies are not Paycom specific.

                                                                                                                            .
                                                                                                                            Most interesting part of Rand's post.
                                                                                                                            Anyone who HAS done their homework care to share?

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                                                                                                                              • chaze
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                                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                • 9774
                                                                                                                                #182
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by maxsweet
                                                                                                                                Most interesting part of Rand's post.
                                                                                                                                Anyone who HAS done their homework care to share?
                                                                                                                                other then tax season I have not heard of any trends good or bad that effects the whole industry.

                                                                                                                                anyone else?
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                                                                                                                                  • John69
                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2005
                                                                                                                                    • 942
                                                                                                                                    #183
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by StatsJunky
                                                                                                                                    Instead of soliciting new webmasters and traffic and spending $30,000 for GFY skins, paying $10,000 a month in sig fees and Hummer promotions etc... Why not put part of that money to better use?

                                                                                                                                    Sure you need new affiliates to continue growing your business but what about the ones that are already ACTIVELY promoting you?

                                                                                                                                    I have never in my 6 years of adult affiliate marketing ever had a company offer to help me optimize the existing traffic I was already sending to them. The only help I have received is emails telling me of new hosted galleries they just had built or maybe some new banners and to send more traffic.

                                                                                                                                    What if you spent half of your ad budget on employees that actually spent time helping affiliates individually optimize their existing campaigns. Not just talking about innovative tools, I'm talking about one on one help. Wouldn't that prove more profitable then just increasing your traffic?

                                                                                                                                    In my experience it is much easier to increase your business by optimizing the traffic you already have than soliciting new traffic.

                                                                                                                                    Help your existing affiliates maximize the traffic they're already sending and then start adding new sources.

                                                                                                                                    Good point, this is a more of a bump and run biz, if they
                                                                                                                                    had to help they would just hire guys and make their own sites.
                                                                                                                                    DARKSOUL: thanks but no thanks, your over priced.

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                                                                                                                                      • BluMedia
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                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 3973
                                                                                                                                        #184
                                                                                                                                        Hey Rand thanks for clearing this up. I was wondering what you thought of what I posted earlier?

                                                                                                                                        I would say though that ever since credit card raised the minimum payments and bend over consumers with up to 29% interest things got worse. I had credit cards at 23% at one time and paid more than the minimum payment and my balance went up and I wasn't charging anything. I couldn't imagine having to pay 29%. I think because of this consumers credit cards are maxed out like never before. I checked and just yesterday we had over 100 declines which seems to go up and up. Anyone else see a huge increase in declines? Chargebacks and credits have gone up as well. All of these things tell me consumers have less money avaliable on their credit cards which might be the decrease in sales. Just my
                                                                                                                                        IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job
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                                                                                                                                          • BluMedia
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                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 3973
                                                                                                                                            #185
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by maxsweet
                                                                                                                                            Most interesting part of Rand's post.
                                                                                                                                            Anyone who HAS done their homework care to share?
                                                                                                                                            I would agree with Rand. It doesn't matter what processor is first or second in the cascade the sales are about the same. It does not seem like a processor issue.

                                                                                                                                            Mark
                                                                                                                                            IntenseCash - If you can't convert us then you might want to look for a new job
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                                                                                                                                              • Downtime
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                                                                                                                                                • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                • 7320
                                                                                                                                                #186
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Manowar
                                                                                                                                                i decided to be contextual
                                                                                                                                                well done!
                                                                                                                                                #27024067

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                                                                                                                                                  • Rand
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                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                    • 2663
                                                                                                                                                    #187
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by BluMedia
                                                                                                                                                    Hey Rand thanks for clearing this up. I was wondering what you thought of what I posted earlier?

                                                                                                                                                    I would say though that ever since credit card raised the minimum payments and bend over consumers with up to 29% interest things got worse. I had credit cards at 23% at one time and paid more than the minimum payment and my balance went up and I wasn't charging anything. I couldn't imagine having to pay 29%. I think because of this consumers credit cards are maxed out like never before.
                                                                                                                                                    I'm sure there are countless reasons why recurring declines might increase and I would venture to say this is indeed a factor. It might add to declines as well as increased cancellations. Unfortuanely I don't know of anyway to measure this and the actual impact is probably negligilbe.
                                                                                                                                                    -- Rand


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                                                                                                                                                      • kilotoons
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                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2006
                                                                                                                                                        • 519
                                                                                                                                                        #188
                                                                                                                                                        Very interesting thread about a processor I haven't yet explored.


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                                                                                                                                                          • Tempest
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                                                                                                                                                            • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                            • 10217
                                                                                                                                                            #189
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                                            things like a customer charging back after almost 2 years is kind of questionabe isnt it?
                                                                                                                                                            I've only ever done 1 CB and there was a time limit of something like 3 months so how could someone do it after 2 years???

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                                                                                                                                                              • p1mpdogg
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                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 16714
                                                                                                                                                                #190
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Tempest
                                                                                                                                                                I've only ever done 1 CB and there was a time limit of something like 3 months so how could someone do it after 2 years???

                                                                                                                                                                yea exactly my thoughts.
                                                                                                                                                                A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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                                                                                                                                                                  • rowan
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 17393
                                                                                                                                                                    #191
                                                                                                                                                                    bump

                                                                                                                                                                    You really had a chargeback on a 2 year old transaction???

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                                                                                                                                                                      • p1mpdogg
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                        • 16714
                                                                                                                                                                        #192
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by rowan
                                                                                                                                                                        bump

                                                                                                                                                                        You really had a chargeback on a 2 year old transaction???

                                                                                                                                                                        yea actually a few of them
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                                                                                                                                                                          • mrkris
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                                                                                                                                                                            • May 2005
                                                                                                                                                                            • 2737
                                                                                                                                                                            #193
                                                                                                                                                                            Well if anyone here needs a guy to do some sidework helping out affiliates fully utilize their traffic, optimize their sites, etc, hit me up on icq, i love helping people and I love extra work.

                                                                                                                                                                            PHP-MySQL-Rails | ICQ: 342500546

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                                                                                                                                                                              • bigdog
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                • 6964
                                                                                                                                                                                #194
                                                                                                                                                                                nice to see a response from paycom

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Rand
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 2663
                                                                                                                                                                                    #195
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                                                                    yea actually a few of them
                                                                                                                                                                                    That's something I can check on. I have your company info.

                                                                                                                                                                                    I would have to look into the reg's on this but I believe the maximum amount of time a chargeback might process after a sale can be up to 18 months, but that would be an extremely rare occasion. There might have been a handful of those in nearly a decade of processing.

                                                                                                                                                                                    The issuing banks have a lot of discretion in this area, but it's very rare to see chargeback transactions come back more than six months out and the typical time frame is one to three months. Additionally, with recent security measures such as CVV2 and CVC2 most banks look even closer at disputes.
                                                                                                                                                                                    -- Rand


                                                                                                                                                                                    Payment Industry - Communications - Quality Assurance

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Rand
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 2663
                                                                                                                                                                                        #196
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                                                                        yea actually a few of them
                                                                                                                                                                                        Double post. EDIT
                                                                                                                                                                                        -- Rand


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                                                                                                                                                                                          • alan-l
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • May 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 2477
                                                                                                                                                                                            #197
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by DynaSpain
                                                                                                                                                                                            Their rates, system and service has
                                                                                                                                                                                            amazed me in a very positive way.
                                                                                                                                                                                            well, they're amazing, as in AMAZINGLY EXPENSIVE

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • p1mpdogg
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 16714
                                                                                                                                                                                                #198
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Rand
                                                                                                                                                                                                That's something I can check on. I have your company info.

                                                                                                                                                                                                I would have to look into the reg's on this but I believe the maximum amount of time a chargeback might process after a sale can be up to 18 months, but that would be an extremely rare occasion. There might have been a handful of those in nearly a decade of processing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                The issuing banks have a lot of discretion in this area, but it's very rare to see chargeback transactions come back more than six months out and the typical time frame is one to three months. Additionally, with recent security measures such as CVV2 and CVC2 most banks look even closer at disputes.

                                                                                                                                                                                                rand id love to get an answer on that.. please folowup with that, i was quite surprised when we saw like 6 of them over the last 3 months duing all this time frame and ratios and shit thats gotten my atention
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Troels
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 1035
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Good post by EpicJim.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Yet almost every program cater to high payout junkies. You've got to wonder who programs target when they launch their $45 per signup, with 2nd page unique counting crap. It just stinks dodgy business to experienced webmasters. The same webmasters who won't be a burden to their support system and will actually send business. Yet they go after the idiots who want their ass wiped 4 times a day for 1 signup a day max.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    We send alot of traffic to almost all sponsors and day after day the same program that has low payouts give us the most sales and best value per raw sent. I really don't care what your payout structure is. Just make sure to count EVERYTHING and display accurate incoming hits. Break them down for more analytic value, but have 1st page raw as primary. Guess what, that's what stats are for...
                                                                                                                                                                                                    You'll get traffic anyway since we have our own traffic admin program, no need for this usedcar salesman stats manipulation. It stinks.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    These guys steal your signups: Read here.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    And sexsearch.com profit from it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Check out which sponsors pay thieves here.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    And here's a list of clean sponsors.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • p1mpdogg
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 16714
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #200
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Troels
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Good post by EpicJim.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yet almost every program cater to high payout junkies. You've got to wonder who programs target when they launch their $45 per signup, with 2nd page unique counting crap. It just stinks dodgy business to experienced webmasters. The same webmasters who won't be a burden to their support system and will actually send business. Yet they go after the idiots who want their ass wiped 4 times a day for 1 signup a day max.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        We send alot of traffic to almost all sponsors and day after day the same program that has low payouts give us the most sales and best value per raw sent. I really don't care what your payout structure is. Just make sure to count EVERYTHING and display accurate incoming hits. Break them down for more analytic value, but have 1st page raw as primary. Guess what, that's what stats are for...
                                                                                                                                                                                                        You'll get traffic anyway since we have our own traffic admin program, no need for this usedcar salesman stats manipulation. It stinks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        epic has always counted 1st page hits, and i might add we have the most accuarte counting system compared to others. ill put our tracking system upto anything any day of the week
                                                                                                                                                                                                        A fast fortune is easy to earn! Just go with a winner!

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