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All hosts with extensive DDOS PROTECTION spam me!

04-09-2006, 08:25 AM

Looking for a list of hosts that have secured their network as much as possilbe to thwart things like heavy ddos attacks.

If you could just let me know what you have in place to deal with things like this, could possibly be moving around 25-30 boxes your way.

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04-09-2006, 08:38 AM

there is no such thing as DDOS PROTECTION
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04-09-2006, 08:53 AM

Originally posted by Trax

there is no such thing as DDOS PROTECTION
but you know that

Right, of course nothing is 100% but there is equipment / measures that can help slow things like this down...

Basically I don't want a wide open network with nothing in place to deal with stuff like this.

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04-09-2006, 09:18 AM

Reflected.net has kept us up and running through heavy DDOS attacks lasting months at a time. Best hosting company around.

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04-09-2006, 09:29 AM

perhaps we ought to talk.

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04-09-2006, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by Ycaza

perhaps we ought to talk.

hit you on ICQ, no response... not sure if my icq is screwy try me 112 020 756

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04-09-2006, 10:00 AM

www.ThePlanet.com

You must manage your own servers, they are responsible for hardware/network issues though.
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04-09-2006, 10:03 AM

BTW, most adult hosts will nullroute your IP, I know from experience
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04-09-2006, 10:34 AM

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BTW, most adult hosts will nullroute your IP, I know from experience

Yep, but there are tools to stop almost all dos attacks. Mail bombing is the new thing.

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04-09-2006, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by tical

Looking for a list of hosts that have secured their network as much as possilbe to thwart things like heavy ddos attacks.

If you could just let me know what you have in place to deal with things like this, could possibly be moving around 25-30 boxes your way.

Are you really a hacker looking for security details???

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04-09-2006, 11:07 AM

ultradns can help you deal with some types of DDoS attacks.
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04-09-2006, 11:14 AM

what do you guys think of a service like this?

http://www.prolexic.com/solutions/cleanpipe/

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04-09-2006, 01:16 PM

Prolexic is pretty much without peer in the industry as far as the robustness of their DDOS defense solution. Their services are expensive, but if you're getting repeatedly attacked, these are the people to go to.

Here is an article on the founder of Prolexic and the story of how he bailed out the owner of a large gambling site.

http://www.csoonline.com/read/050105/extortion.html

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04-09-2006, 01:28 PM

ddos is impossible to stop

if the guy has enough computers, your website is going offline

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04-09-2006, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by tical

Right, of course nothing is 100% but there is equipment / measures that can help slow things like this down...

Basically I don't want a wide open network with nothing in place to deal with stuff like this.

if the attack is that major, they will just null route the ip at the backbone, and wait for it to stop.

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04-09-2006, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by fris

if the attack is that major, they will just null route the ip at the backbone, and wait for it to stop.

yeah, but then biz stops then everyone freaks out

last attack followed the domain to any ip we switched to, was pretty fucked up

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04-09-2006, 03:58 PM

Just get a good server tech that knows his way around iptables. They can't have that huge of a botnet. Block all open proxies. There are scripts that can help you with this.

If indeed you are under attack by profesionall ddos'ers, then someone hired them to take you down, but then you need to contact authorities, because they are after the big sharks. But i doubt this is the case, you're not big enough to be worth the money.

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04-09-2006, 04:06 PM

Originally posted by ladida

Just get a good server tech that knows his way around iptables. They can't have that huge of a botnet. Block all open proxies. There are scripts that can help you with this.

If indeed you are under attack by profesionall ddos'ers, then someone hired them to take you down, but then you need to contact authorities, because they are after the big sharks. But i doubt this is the case, you're not big enough to be worth the money.

ah thanks for helping me figure out how much i was worth... besides that, iptables and scripts wouldn't cut it for the type of attacks we want to be protected from. Been there done that... no help.

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04-09-2006, 04:10 PM

ya ip tables wouldnt stop a medium size attack, remember you are just using software to block an ip. most ddos attacks are spoofed attacks anyway, and if they were smart they wouldnt just ddos your ip. they would ddos the main router.

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04-09-2006, 04:21 PM

Here is a good article on DDoS attacks.

Serious attacks are often hard to combat. However, with good quality networking equipment and a knowledgeable network engineer, it's not too much of a concern.

This is another one of those "you get what you pay for" issues in the hosting world.
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04-09-2006, 04:48 PM

The problem is that ddos attacks put a great load on a companies network, so you will have a hard time finding a host that will accept you considering what you've just told. Best would be a provider that also accepts IRC servers, a shell provider for example, since that's the most dangerous industry when it comes to ddos, they are usually more expensive and have the security in place. The only problem is that most of them are shit, a lot of downtime (fdcservers.net for example, but I don't think they accept adult).

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04-09-2006, 04:58 PM

lets not forget MSN was dosed and taken offline for almost two days and yahoo was for almost a full day.

I guess the question is what level attack are we concerned about, at some point I would think there is nothing you can do but block the i.p. of course we are talking about groups that have thousands of hacked computers and servers pointing at you.

I agree for for the most part with a firewall and ip tables they can be dealt with swiftly.

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04-09-2006, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by RusF

The problem is that ddos attacks put a great load on a companies network, so you will have a hard time finding a host that will accept you considering what you've just told. Best would be a provider that also accepts IRC servers, a shell provider for example, since that's the most dangerous industry when it comes to ddos, they are usually more expensive and have the security in place. The only problem is that most of them are shit, a lot of downtime (fdcservers.net for example, but I don't think they accept adult).

bad idea if u go with a host that takes irc servers, you will suffer even more downtime as irc servers are targetted every single day.
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04-09-2006, 07:34 PM

this is some crazy stuff
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04-09-2006, 07:34 PM

this is some crazy stuff
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04-09-2006, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by tical

iptables and scripts wouldn't cut it for the type of attacks we want to be protected from.

They would, you just didn't utilise it to the fullest extent. When i mention scripts, i mean of scripts that block/check for open proxies. Most of the ip's you're seeing the ddos from are proxies. Block that and you'll see it drop drastically. Ofcourse, hosting matters aswell because you need at least somewhat normal/reliable hardware, but other then that, a server tech is more important.

A real botnet/drones/zombies wouldn't display as proxies. They're actually harvested through several years, and aren't put to action untill some big dough is cashed in. You aren't seeing that.

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04-09-2006, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by Gaybucks

Prolexic is pretty much without peer in the industry as far as the robustness of their DDOS defense solution. Their services are expensive, but if you're getting repeatedly attacked, these are the people to go to.

Here is an article on the founder of Prolexic and the story of how he bailed out the owner of a large gambling site.

http://www.csoonline.com/read/050105/extortion.html

(Disclaimer: I have no connection with Prolexic or CSOOnline.)

That's an interesting read. Good story.

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04-10-2006, 10:45 AM

Note this thread hasn't been bombarded with adult hosts spamming their services non-stop as usual, they don't own the datacentres or hardware and know their upstream providers will nullroute the victim IP or their whole IP space when they see 4Gbps incoming DDoS
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04-10-2006, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by ladida

They would, you just didn't utilise it to the fullest extent. When i mention scripts, i mean of scripts that block/check for open proxies. Most of the ip's you're seeing the ddos from are proxies. Block that and you'll see it drop drastically. Ofcourse, hosting matters aswell because you need at least somewhat normal/reliable hardware, but other then that, a server tech is more important.

A real botnet/drones/zombies wouldn't display as proxies. They're actually harvested through several years, and aren't put to action untill some big dough is cashed in. You aren't seeing that.

iptables wont help much when your upstream pipes are getting saturated, which isn't a hard thing to do these days.

ps: if uptime and stability is an important thing for you, i'd personally sway away from providers that advertise they accept IRC servers

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04-10-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Trax

there is no such thing as DDOS PROTECTION
but you know that

what are you on about? that's what some companies specialize in
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04-10-2006, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by Why

ultradns can help you deal with some types of DDoS attacks.

Watch out for UltraDNS though. I had very bad experience with them not providing services properly and over billing.
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