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  • buddyjuf
    • Nov 2026

    #1

    This is the problem with the internet adult biz...

    Since it is based on the internet, there is no true harmony between the people paying and the people getting paid.

    Instead of sponsors and affiliates working 100% together, all we see is people on top trying to screw the affiliates. Either by shaving, showing misleading stats (join page hits vs. first page hits), hiding rebills, now this cookie problem... Who knows what other methods are used, or might be used in the future.

    And then closing programs and starting a new one under different names, keeping affiliate money in their own pockets... (as if what was mentionned on top wasn't enough...)

    And all of these sponsors hire reps to look you in the eye, shake your hand and promiss you day after day that they are an honest, trustworthy company to deal with.

    Even the biggest of the biggest programs take part in these unethical practices, and we all know it.

    And as affiliates, what do most of us keep saying? "I don't care who is shaving as long as my paycheck is big at the end of the month".

    And then there are the affiliates who will fraud signups to increase their own wallet size as well.

    And then whenever companies like Acacia comes along, when everybody should come together, we see people buying Acacia stock? Betting against their own industry?

    Only because we have a message board where all of us are somehow linked, doesn't mean that everything is actually rosy and beautiful...


    Is there any way to fix this? I don't think so... simply because 99.9% of the time, you are at home, alone, behind a computer, and behind a simple nickname and ICQ number.


    What do you guys think?
  • Rui
    web
    • Dec 2001
    • 9533

    #2
    I think you are missing alot, specialy the problems with nowadays average affiliates...

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    • bigdog
      Confirmed User
      • Jul 2001
      • 6964

      #3
      Best soloution is too start your own paysites, send all that traffic to yourself.

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      • buddyjuf

        #4
        Originally posted by Rui
        I think you are missing alot, specialy the problems with nowadays average affiliates...
        could very well be, but don't you think the problem has to start from the top of the food chain?

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        • smashface
          Confirmed User
          • Sep 2002
          • 991

          #5
          Originally posted by bdjuf
          simply because 99.9% of the time, you are at home, alone, behind a computer, and behind a simple nickname and ICQ number.
          I see some deep-seated abandonment issues forming. Can you tell us about your childhood? Were you a happy child?

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          • mazdaman
            My Sig was too Big! :(
            • Apr 2006
            • 435

            #6
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            • pornguy
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Mar 2003
              • 62910

              #7
              You hit a lot of great points, and it is nice to see that you know that there are more. But one of the biggest probelms that we face now, is not the shaving, and the hiding etc. it is dealing with the government. Acacia was nothing. but the government is a problem. One way or another.
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              • SilentKnight
                Megan Fox's fluffer
                • Oct 2005
                • 24812

                #8
                Originally posted by bigdog
                Best soloution is too start your own paysites, send all that traffic to yourself.
                My sentiments too.

                Eliminate as many middlemen as possible from the equation.

                There's no denying its an incestuous, dog-eat-dog industry...everyone trying to fuck each other over for a bigger slice of the pie. We've witnessed nearly everything conceivable in the past seven years - and it only seems to get worse with each passing year.

                Someday...when all is said and done - I plan to sit down and write out all our experiences as one long sordid story. Name a few names...bash a few skulls.

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                • GoodGuy
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 881

                  #9
                  Originally posted by bigdog
                  Best soloution is too start your own paysites, send all that traffic to yourself.

                  i would do it if i could open a ccbill or paycom accont to process credit cards...

                  unfortunately it's almost impossible for me to do that.

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                  • buddyjuf

                    #10
                    Originally posted by pornguy
                    You hit a lot of great points, and it is nice to see that you know that there are more. But one of the biggest probelms that we face now, is not the shaving, and the hiding etc. it is dealing with the government. Acacia was nothing. but the government is a problem. One way or another.
                    do you think that if the porn industry was more united, that we would be as prone to such attacks?

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                    • polish_aristocrat
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 40377

                      #11
                      I thought everyone in this biz was a top notch guy...
                      .
                      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                      • polish_aristocrat
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 40377

                        #12
                        Originally posted by bdjuf
                        do you think that if the porn industry was more united, that we would be as prone to such attacks?
                        .xxx is an example where most companies dont seem to care
                        if they cared, they would act accordingly and do sth to oppose it


                        ( see todays thread from Mike Hawk )
                        I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                        • xclusive
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 35218

                          #13
                          spammers are also a big problem

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                          • Love Sex
                            Confirmed User
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 1905

                            #14
                            Its just as bad as any other business or industry. Dealing with online businesses is like a blind folded rollercoaster.

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                            • candyflip
                              Carpe Visio
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 43075

                              #15
                              Originally posted by GoodGuy
                              i would do it if i could open a ccbill or paycom accont to process credit cards...

                              unfortunately it's almost impossible for me to do that.
                              There are other options out there. Check out something like this:

                              http://ynotpayment.com/

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                              • WiredGuy
                                Pounding Googlebot
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 34517

                                #16
                                This is why I have a strong preference for working with companies in which I've met the owners. It makes me feel a lot more comfortable about getting paid.
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                                • Webby
                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                  • Oct 2002
                                  • 14956

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                  My sentiments too.

                                  Eliminate as many middlemen as possible from the equation.

                                  There's no denying its an incestuous, dog-eat-dog industry...everyone trying to fuck each other over for a bigger slice of the pie. We've witnessed nearly everything conceivable in the past seven years - and it only seems to get worse with each passing year.

                                  Someday...when all is said and done - I plan to sit down and write out all our experiences as one long sordid story. Name a few names...bash a few skulls.


                                  The more people messing in the middle - the more crap comes out the other end.

                                  Whether this be sponsors, processors or whoever, - it's better to know who you are dealing with - preferably face-to-face. There are plenty good folks out there - it's just a matter of judgement in isolating them to do biz with.

                                  Only other are that big, or heavily promoted, does not mean best
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                                  • Greg B
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Jul 2001
                                    • 7014

                                    #18
                                    What we need to do is look at the mainstream affiliate program situation. Is it as bad as some say the porn industry is? I mean every other week it seems a new mainstream affiliate program comes out. They are these get rich quick schemes from everything from discount health care to real estate to new gadgets.

                                    The adult industry leads in innovation and technology. It's set the pattern that the mainstreamers had to follow.

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                                    • venus
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2003
                                      • 3112

                                      #19
                                      and programs see affiliates trying to scam the programs. Like this one I found the other day pulling a credit card scam
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                                      Originally posted by bdjuf
                                      Since all we see is people on top trying to screw the affiliates.
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                                      • Zester
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2003
                                        • 5344

                                        #20
                                        I agree with almost everything you said
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                                        • Rui
                                          web
                                          • Dec 2001
                                          • 9533

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Greg B
                                          What we need to do is look at the mainstream affiliate program situation. Is it as bad as some say the porn industry is? I mean every other week it seems a new mainstream affiliate program comes out. They are these get rich quick schemes from everything from discount health care to real estate to new gadgets.
                                          Sorry but you picked a bad example...

                                          What about talking about programs using linkshare, CJ or other well-established CPA/CPL networks...

                                          You can say that about sites using ccbill, epoch, whatever...tho

                                          The adult industry leads in innovation and technology. It's set the pattern that the mainstreamers had to follow.
                                          Again allow me to totaly disagree with you on that one...

                                          Hell it seems only in 2005 the average adult webmaster found out what a blog was (and most don't really implement the concept and like many other things abuse the fuck out of it)...

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                                          • Greg B
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Jul 2001
                                            • 7014

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Rui
                                            Sorry but you picked a bad example...

                                            What about talking about programs using linkshare, CJ or other well-established CPA/CPL networks...

                                            You can say that about sites using ccbill, epoch, whatever...tho



                                            Again allow me to totaly disagree with you on that one...

                                            Hell it seems only in 2005 the average adult webmaster found out what a blog was (and most don't really implement the concept and like many other things abuse the fuck out of it)...
                                            ??? Dude I was blogging before it was even conceived. Quite popular I might add.

                                            Yeah, we disagree but that's what we are.

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                                            • webjoker
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • May 2004
                                              • 367

                                              #23

                                              could there be something about domains like "gofuckyourself.com" that shape the mentality ? naaaahhh
                                              hehe

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                                              • Linkster
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Feb 2003
                                                • 3216

                                                #24
                                                My take is that it is a perception problem with people that have entered the adult side of things (since around say 2003) rather than an actual problem. Most of what you see posted here (since you used this board as an example) is a bunch of mainstream converts that dont know the real adult biz - posting all kinds of "drama" threads to increase their sigwhore rates and loads of fake problems that some larger program owners instigate for their own promotion. Its been going on forever and as soon as you can get past the fact that an adult board is set up for advertising revenue ONLY (in most cases) then you will have a little better viewpoint
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                                                • czarina
                                                  Webmaster Extraordinaire
                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                  • 10751

                                                  #25
                                                  there's a lot more to it than what you said... but that is a good start...

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