Is the expired domains business market still profitable?

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  • Quotealex
    Confirmed User
    • Sep 2001
    • 6265

    #1

    Is the expired domains business market still profitable?

    By profitable, I mean generating at least $2.00 per $1.00 invested.

    I figure the cost of running this model for 1,000 domains would be around $10,500 which is broken down as follow:
    - Domains cost from a registrar that do free URL forwarding: $8,000 ($8 per domain)
    - Creating a landing page: $1,000 (40 hours at $25/hour including script, design, content)
    - Maintenance of the network: $1,300 (1 hour per week at $25/hour X 52 weeks)
    - Hosting: $120 ($10 per month for virtual hosting)
    The annual expense after the first year would be about $9,500 if we exclude the landing page cost which is a one time expense.

    According to information I got from various people, I figure each domain will get about 10 hits per day (some said 2 other said 20+), so the total traffic per year I expect to get from the 1,000 acquired domains should be around 3,625,000 hits. From these hits going to the landing page, I figure about 5% (182,500) will click on one of the sponsors links.
    From that 182,500 sponsors visits, I estimate a conversion ratio of 1:500, which comes out to 365 signups.

    Assuming the average signup brings $30, the generated gross revenue from this model is $10,950 per year for an expense of $10,500 for the first year and $9,500 the following years.

    If my numbers are correct, I don?t see how the expired domains game is a profitable business!
  • Dirty Dane
    Sick Fuck
    • Feb 2004
    • 9491

    #2
    Profitable, but why lots of costs and time on domains? You can easily gain 3.5 mill hits per year with 10-12 domains. One database, several shitty TGPs, with better revenue.

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    • Quotealex
      Confirmed User
      • Sep 2001
      • 6265

      #3
      Originally posted by Dirty Dane
      Profitable, but why lots of costs and time on domains?
      To diversify your traffic source

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      • Quotealex
        Confirmed User
        • Sep 2001
        • 6265

        #4
        And I'm not sure you can pull in a ctr of 1:20 with a TGP site!

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        • Blogster
          For cybersex, do I need a hole in my monitor?
          • Jan 2006
          • 234

          #5
          or choose a good landingpage with a PPC sponsor :>
          BlackHatSeo | Need alot of Backlinks or scripts? | ICQ:243121162

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          • Manowar
            jellyfish  
            • Dec 2003
            • 71528

            #6
            high traffic expired domains + other people's parking = easiest $ ever

            (see www.textocean.com sedo stats for an example, only been parked for like a week)

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            • polish_aristocrat
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2002
              • 40377

              #7
              Manowar, do you own textocean.com ?

              and why does it receive so many hits? im lost a little, it doesnt seem to be a typein / typo domain...
              I don't use ICQ anymore.

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              • Quotealex
                Confirmed User
                • Sep 2001
                • 6265

                #8
                Originally posted by Manowar
                high traffic expired domains + other people's parking = easiest $ ever

                (see www.textocean.com sedo stats for an example, only been parked for like a week)
                Couldn't you make your own PHP landing page and get even more $$$?

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                • KRL
                  Entrepreneur
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 31429

                  #9
                  You're making something that is simple into something complex.

                  K.I.S.S. always always always.

                  To succeed in the domain biz you just need to be an astute buyer, a master at monetization, aware of new keyword trends, and know when to sell and unload domains beginning to weaken in performance.



                  PS - Your numbers are all off by the way.
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                  • JasonB
                    Confirmed User
                    • Nov 2001
                    • 1183

                    #10
                    you can get domains for much cheaper than $8 if you're gonna buy 1000

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                    • Quotealex
                      Confirmed User
                      • Sep 2001
                      • 6265

                      #11
                      Originally posted by KRL
                      You're making something that is simple into something complex.

                      K.I.S.S. always always always.

                      To succeed in the domain biz you just need to be an astute buyer, a master at monetization, aware of new keyword trends, and know when to sell and unload domains beginning to weaken in performance.



                      PS - Your numbers are all off by the way.
                      care to share your numbers?

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                      • madawgz
                        8.8.8.8
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 30509

                        #12
                        expired domains suck
                        TAEMDLRMSKRJIXMRLSMRJ.

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                        • Quotealex
                          Confirmed User
                          • Sep 2001
                          • 6265

                          #13
                          Originally posted by JasonB
                          you can get domains for much cheaper than $8 if you're gonna buy 1000
                          I'd be interested in knowing where you can get domains with URLs fowarding for less than $8.00/domain.

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                          • polle54
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 4626

                            #14
                            never understood that biz, can anyone give me a link to where you might discover these experied domains?
                            ICQ# 143561781

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                            • Quotealex
                              Confirmed User
                              • Sep 2001
                              • 6265

                              #15
                              Originally posted by polle54
                              never understood that biz, can anyone give me a link to where you might discover these experied domains?
                              There are lots of scripts and sites that list expired domains. There are lots of sites and script that list expired domains, search for "expired domains" on Google for links...

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                              • smashface
                                Confirmed User
                                • Sep 2002
                                • 991

                                #16
                                Hey Alex,

                                I used to have a script that would poll available domains which were listed in DMOZ and Yahoo Directory. Although I didn't configure the two, you could also have the name registered for you via an Enom reseller account.

                                I don't know if you meant to only buy expired adult domains, but the other benefit you receive is unsolicited offers for the names. $100-300 isn't an unrealistic offer.

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                                • Krille
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2002
                                  • 2436

                                  #17
                                  why pay $8 when you can pay $6.75 at fabulous.com

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                                  • Quotealex
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Sep 2001
                                    • 6265

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by smashface
                                    Hey Alex,

                                    I used to have a script that would poll available domains which were listed in DMOZ and Yahoo Directory. Although I didn't configure the two, you could also have the name registered for you via an Enom reseller account.

                                    I don't know if you meant to only buy expired adult domains, but the other benefit you receive is unsolicited offers for the names. $100-300 isn't an unrealistic offer.
                                    If I can get better numbers (i.e. at least $2.00 return for every $1.00 spent), i will probably start with adult domains and then branch out into mainstrean a few months later.

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                                    • Manowar
                                      jellyfish  
                                      • Dec 2003
                                      • 71528

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                      Manowar, do you own www.textocean.com ?

                                      and why does it receive so many hits? im lost a little, it doesnt seem to be a typein / typo domain...
                                      Used to be a popular site. Lots of backlinks and alexa

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                                      • Quotealex
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Sep 2001
                                        • 6265

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Krille
                                        why pay $8 when you can pay $6.75 at fabulous.com
                                        Does the price includes free URLs forwarding?
                                        There's lots of places where you can get domains for less than $8/domain but they charges extra for the forwading service.

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                                        • Manowar
                                          jellyfish  
                                          • Dec 2003
                                          • 71528

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Manowar
                                          Used to be a popular site. Lots of backlinks and alexa
                                          Just picked up www.vip52.com

                                          in the alexa top 100,000

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                                          • Krille
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Mar 2002
                                            • 2436

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
                                            Does the price includes free URLs forwarding?
                                            There's lots of places where you can get domains for less than $8/domain but they charges extra for the forwading service.

                                            yes, that's why i posted...

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                                            • Screaming
                                              I can change this!!!!!
                                              • Feb 2004
                                              • 18972

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Manowar
                                              Just picked up www.vip52.com

                                              in the alexa top 100,000

                                              the lower the number the better...

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                                              • jenn2k6
                                                Registered User
                                                • Apr 2006
                                                • 33

                                                #24
                                                Iyaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!

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                                                • jenn2k6
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Apr 2006
                                                  • 33

                                                  #25
                                                  Owwzzz It Angin Chuck

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                                                  • jenn2k6
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Apr 2006
                                                    • 33

                                                    #26
                                                    Yea Im Gud Cheers!!! Wts Da Beef

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                                                    • Manowar
                                                      jellyfish  
                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                      • 71528

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Screaming
                                                      the lower the number the better...
                                                      about 60,000

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                                                      • strobi
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                        • 7383

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Manowar
                                                        Just picked up www.vip52.com

                                                        in the alexa top 100,000


                                                        What tools do you use to snap expired domains? The big guys seem to snatch up all the nice domains before I can even check them...

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                                                        • Manowar
                                                          jellyfish  
                                                          • Dec 2003
                                                          • 71528

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by strobi
                                                          What tools do you use to snap expired domains? The big guys seem to snatch up all the nice domains before I can even check them...
                                                          Hit me up on ICQ: 216233171 sometime, I'll let you in on the info ;)


                                                          just put $1k price tag on www.vip52.com ... I'd rather let someone else monetise the amount of traffic and just take a profit on it from sale.

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                                                          • Quotealex
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                            • 6265

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Krille
                                                            yes, that's why i posted...
                                                            If it indeed include url fowarding to any site on my choosing, then it is a great price and will improve my numbers

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                                                            • Pornwolf
                                                              Drunk and Unruly
                                                              • Jan 2002
                                                              • 22712

                                                              #31
                                                              You can get domains for $5.99 at www.1and1.com

                                                              If I were just buying for the flip like you guys I'd buy all my domains from them.
                                                              I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                                              Webair, bitches.

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                                                              • Quotealex
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Sep 2001
                                                                • 6265

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Pornwolf
                                                                You can get domains for $5.99 at www.1and1.com
                                                                It's not just the price of purchasing the domain, the registrar must also include the URL fowarding service in the price.

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                                                                • Manowar
                                                                  jellyfish  
                                                                  • Dec 2003
                                                                  • 71528

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
                                                                  It's not just the price of purchasing the domain, the registrar must also include the URL fowarding service in the price.
                                                                  I know namecheap do that, and with vouchers the price is $7.99 all the time.

                                                                  a bit high though

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                                                                  • Krille
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Mar 2002
                                                                    • 2436

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
                                                                    If it indeed include url fowarding to any site on my choosing, then it is a great price and will improve my numbers
                                                                    fabulous rocks your boat, just make sure you signup for a premier account or wtf they are called

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                                                                    • Quotealex
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Sep 2001
                                                                      • 6265

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Manowar
                                                                      I know namecheap do that, and with vouchers the price is $7.99 all the time.

                                                                      a bit high though
                                                                      compared to the $35 I'm paying for some of my domains, $7.99 don't seem that expensive

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                                                                      • chadglni
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                        • 6924

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Alex you are one weird ass dude. Weren't you the one saying PPS programs can't work either? Anyhow if you can't make more than $10,000 off of 3 million hits you need to carry your ass to McDonalds and ask for an application. Good Lord man.


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                                                                        • Young
                                                                          Bland for life
                                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                                          • 10468

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Manowar care to share your expertise?
                                                                          ★★★

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                                                                          • andrej_NDC
                                                                            Registered User
                                                                            • May 2004
                                                                            • 7760

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                            Weren't you the one saying PPS programs can't work either?
                                                                            That was Alex from San Diego, the former owner of JSA, if Im correct.

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                                                                            • Quotealex
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Sep 2001
                                                                              • 6265

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                              Alex you are one weird ass dude. Weren't you the one saying PPS programs can't work either? Anyhow if you can't make more than $10,000 off of 3 million hits you need to carry your ass to McDonalds and ask for an application. Good Lord man.
                                                                              No it wasn't me; and were talking 3 million page views, not hits sent to sponsors.

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                                                                              • shermo

                                                                                #40
                                                                                I'd like to be a little more active in this market again... I stopped since deleteddomains.com went paid... Maybe I ought to signup again.

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                                                                                • StatsJunky
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Aug 2005
                                                                                  • 639

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  The expired domain market is one of the most competitive markets out there. Any domain that might have decent traffic and or revenue is almost always caught by one of the drop catchers like SnapNames.com, Pool.com and Enoms club drop and sent into an auction where prices get inflatted fast.

                                                                                  The only way to do OK in the game without alot of $$$ is if you target a small niche market that isn't over speculated. Even doing that will be difficult and the income will be low.
                                                                                  erik AT suthnet.com

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                                                                                  • Quotealex
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Sep 2001
                                                                                    • 6265

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by StatsJunky
                                                                                    The expired domain market is one of the most competitive markets out there. Any domain that might have decent traffic and or revenue is almost always caught by one of the drop catchers like SnapNames.com, Pool.com and Enoms club drop and sent into an auction where prices get inflatted fast.

                                                                                    The only way to do OK in the game without alot of $$$ is if you target a small niche market that isn't over speculated. Even doing that will be difficult and the income will be low.
                                                                                    Would you consider domains getting 5 to 20 hits per day to be decent traffic for a mainstream site?

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                                                                                    • StatsJunky
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • Aug 2005
                                                                                      • 639

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Alex from Montreal
                                                                                      Would you consider domains getting 5 to 20 hits per day to be decent traffic for a mainstream site?
                                                                                      If you can monetize the traffic 5 hits a day is good enough. All depends what kind of traffic you have.
                                                                                      erik AT suthnet.com

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                                                                                      • Manowar
                                                                                        jellyfish  
                                                                                        • Dec 2003
                                                                                        • 71528

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by StatsJunky
                                                                                        If you can monetize the traffic 5 hits a day is good enough. All depends what kind of traffic you have.
                                                                                        Totally. I have found with expired domains, typein traffic is gold.

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                                                                                        • Quotealex
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Sep 2001
                                                                                          • 6265

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by StatsJunky
                                                                                          If you can monetize the traffic 5 hits a day is good enough. All depends what kind of traffic you have.
                                                                                          cool. thanks for the info.

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