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  • NewbieNudes
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    • Jan 2003
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    #1

    John McCain: "Strategy for Victory in Iraq" - must read.

    "Strategy for Victory in Iraq: Bolster Troops on the Ground

    A greater military commitment now is necessary if we are to achieve long-term success in Iraq. John McCain agrees with retired Army General Jack Keane that there are simply not enough American forces in Iraq.

    More troops are necessary to clear and hold insurgent strongholds....."

    From: http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/...7ea83f11d8.htm


    As a non American it's hard to get a handle on the general public view - but please tell me the feeling on the ground is that McCain has no hope no matter if Clinton or Obama run against him?

    IRAQ is the reason the US economy is heading down the toilet. How can any sane person want to commit more money to it?

    Also - let it be said that - Al Qaeda got what they wanted by 9-11. The aim was to de-stabilize the USA's financial might. It took 7 years - but thanks to Bush it's happened.

    Let’s hope sanity prevails - no matter which democrat runs.

    And to those of you that say - "fuck you - you are not in USA or American what do you care?" - I say it is a very sad fact that due to the size of your economy when you go down we all go down to some extent. It is a sad fact that no other countries political system has as much world influence as yours does.
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  • baddog
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    #2
    Here is a tip, no matter who the Democrats nominate . . . . McCain wins.

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    • NewbieNudes
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      #3
      A vote for McCain surely has to be a vote to commit the USA and as a by product the rest of the world to a recession the likes of which has not been seen since the great depression.
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      • Socks
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        • May 2002
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        #4
        Baddog has spoketh. No other opinions matter below this line:

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        • Christina Muller
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          • Mar 2007
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          #5
          Thats my tip too!

          As a viewer from outside of USA it seems to me that a McCain win is looking more and more likely.

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          • Odin
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            • Jan 2004
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            #6
            I am not an economist, but I think it has something more to do with a credit crisis hitting the major banks than Iraq. Alot of the money being 'committed' to Iraq is already spent money, money for bombs that were already being built, money for soldiers wages that were already being paid and so on. That said, I said prior to day 1 that the whole Iraq war business was a load of shit, but lets not blow it completely out of proportion.
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            • tony299
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              #7
              I disagree with Baddog if the economy sinks more, people are going to see a vote for mccain as 4 more yrs of failed W policies. Also McCain doesnt want to see this but those people have been fighting for hundreds of years. We are not going to win no matter what we do.

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              • tony299
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                • Aug 2002
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                #8
                Originally posted by Chief
                I am not an economist, but I think it has something more to do with a credit crisis hitting the major banks than Iraq. Alot of the money being 'committed' to Iraq is already spent money, money for bombs that were already being built, money for soldiers wages that were already being paid and so on. That said, I said prior to day 1 that the whole Iraq war business was a load of shit, but lets not blow it completely out of proportion.
                What didnt help this was having borrow to fund the war helped put the dollar in the toilet. You dont cut taxes during wartime its stupid.

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                • baddog
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                  • Apr 2001
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by tony404
                  I disagree with Baddog
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                  • GrouchyAdmin
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                    • Apr 2006
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                    #10
                    Don't worry. You can always move to Alice Springs and eat from the termite mounds.

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                    • spacedog
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                      • Nov 2001
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                      #11
                      Dumb fuckers should have left Saddam in power & there wouldn't be any fighting over there except for them fighting themselves..

                      I hope McCain does win..
                      Last edited by spacedog; 03-18-2008, 08:21 PM.

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                      • moeloubani
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                        • Dec 2007
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                        #12
                        Too late now, you went in and broke it and now you have to fix it, and McCain is right, the best way to fix it would be to flood that place with troops and give enemies no place to run and hide.

                        That's what its down to today, you either must fix it or you must go back and time and not start it, since one isn't possible then you must go with the other.

                        Democrats' plan is just to pull out, but that won't work because it'll leave a country broken and with more terrorism than it had when they went in - which is the point of the war, right, to abolish terrorism?

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                        • NewbieNudes
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by moeloubani
                          ... which is the point of the war, right, to abolish terrorism?
                          With all repsect this view is totally naive, as Bush was/is - there is no way to abolish terrorism.
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                          • smutsellers
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                            #14
                            McCain's a piece of shit, but then again, who else is there? Obama or Clintin. We're fucked either way.

                            We should never have gone to Iraq in the first place, but now that Bush already fucked up that idea, we might as well flood it and whoop some ass.
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                            • tony299
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by moeloubani
                              Too late now, you went in and broke it and now you have to fix it, and McCain is right, the best way to fix it would be to flood that place with troops and give enemies no place to run and hide.

                              That's what its down to today, you either must fix it or you must go back and time and not start it, since one isn't possible then you must go with the other.

                              Democrats' plan is just to pull out, but that won't work because it'll leave a country broken and with more terrorism than it had when they went in - which is the point of the war, right, to abolish terrorism?
                              You know its easy to say that when the avg american has been asked to sacrifice anything. to fix it we would have to be there forever and how many of our kids have to die for nothing.

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                              • baddog
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                                • Apr 2001
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by moeloubani
                                Democrats' plan is just to pull out,
                                Nobody is just going to pull out any more than you would with Susie Rottencrotch.

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                                • Pistol
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                                  #17
                                  and meanwhile the Democrats continue to publically embarrass themselves bickering over whose to be the boss....

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                                  • farkedup
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                                    #18
                                    it is a FACT that war helps an economy, unfortunately we're not at war... Invasion forces HURT an economy so lets just go to war with the whole fuckin middle east and turn that fuckin section of the planet to glass already. Nothing good other than oil comes out of it.

                                    Not likely? Fuck it lets just remove china as a trade partner, make it a criminal act to have anything chinese made, that'll fix our economy... ditch this chinese made GARBAGE! Tax the hell out of imports to other countries and make it illegal to call an 800 number and get sent to fuckin India!

                                    Fuck being responsible for the problems of the entire world. We're completely fucked and we need to take care of ourselves and send a big FU to all third world nations and let them be somebody elses problem.
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                                    • spacedog
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                                      • Nov 2001
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by smutsellers
                                      McCain's a piece of shit, ....
                                      Probably, but at least he won't take away american's guns like the other two pieces of shit would.

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                                      • tony299
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by farkedup
                                        it is a FACT that war helps an economy, unfortunately we're not at war... Invasion forces HURT an economy so lets just go to war with the whole fuckin middle east and turn that fuckin section of the planet to glass already. Nothing good other than oil comes out of it.

                                        Not likely? Fuck it lets just remove china as a trade partner, make it a criminal act to have anything chinese made, that'll fix our economy... ditch this chinese made GARBAGE! Tax the hell out of imports to other countries and make it illegal to call an 800 number and get sent to fuckin India!

                                        Fuck being responsible for the problems of the entire world. We're completely fucked and we need to take care of ourselves and send a big FU to all third world nations and let them be somebody elses problem.
                                        War helps the economy when your a manufacturing nation, we arent anymore.

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                                        • TheSenator
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by baddog
                                          Here is a tip, no matter who the Democrats nominate . . . . McCain wins.
                                          Baddog I think the US Army raise the enlistment age to 85
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                                          Anyway, we are gonna pull out just like we did in Vietman.
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                                          • baddog
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                                            • Apr 2001
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by TheSenator
                                            Baddog I think the US Army raise the enlistment age to 85
                                            http://www.unconfirmedsources.com/index.php?itemid=2156
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                                            Obama is going to be President.



                                            Anyway, we are gonna pull out just like we did in Vietman.
                                            Care to put some money where your mouth is?

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                                            • GatorB
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                                              • Oct 2001
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by baddog
                                              Here is a tip, no matter who the Democrats nominate . . . . McCain wins.
                                              And McCain will be a one termer. First of all age. Second the country will be so fucked up and still in Iraq he'll practically hand the 2012 election to John Edwards.

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                                              • baddog
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                                                • Apr 2001
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by GatorB
                                                And McCain will be a one termer. First of all age. Second the country will be so fucked up and still in Iraq he'll practically hand the 2012 election to John Edwards.
                                                To tell you the truth, I pray to God that your conclusions are correct. Edwards in 2012.

                                                I would have liked to have seen him in 2008.

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                                                • spacedog
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                                                  • Nov 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by TheSenator
                                                  Obama is going to be President.
                                                  And if that happens, I'm becoming a Russian expatriate

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                                                  • moeloubani
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by tony404
                                                    You know its easy to say that when the avg american has been asked to sacrifice anything. to fix it we would have to be there forever and how many of our kids have to die for nothing.
                                                    As many as it takes, you voted for Bush, then voted him back after starting the war, you guys will suffer the consequences as bleak as that is!

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                                                    • NewbieNudes
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                                                      #27
                                                      This thread is mildly depressing.
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                                                      • StuBradley
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by moeloubani
                                                        which is the point of the war, right, to abolish terrorism?
                                                        How in the fuck do you abolish terrorism?

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                                                        • moeloubani
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by StuBradley
                                                          How in the fuck do you abolish terrorism?
                                                          Well in my opinion you can't 100% abolish it but you can do things that can severely limit it.

                                                          For example: the US drops its unconditional support for Israel - result would be tons of arabs that have just lost their reason to fight the US.

                                                          Let them two duke it out, no reason for the US to be supporting either side.

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                                                          • tony299
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by moeloubani
                                                            As many as it takes, you voted for Bush, then voted him back after starting the war, you guys will suffer the consequences as bleak as that is!
                                                            I didnt vote for Bush sorry. lol

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                                                            • Rochard
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by NewbieNudes
                                                              Also - let it be said that - Al Qaeda got what they wanted by 9-11. The aim was to de-stabilize the USA's financial might. It took 7 years.....
                                                              How the fuck did Al Qaeda cause the housing market to crash?

                                                              Seriously?
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                                                              • NewbieNudes
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                How the fuck did Al Qaeda cause the housing market to crash?

                                                                Seriously?
                                                                Many economists are making the link between the US economic slump and the Iraq war. The Iraq war was motived by a more or less emotional response to 9-11 (the reasons for the war were fabricated remember)

                                                                Not rocket science. You can't spend trillions on a war and not affect your economy or the value of your $.

                                                                See: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/...R?OpenDocument for example.
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