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Looking at the last 20 years, I'd say the Democrats are actually looking better economically than the Republicans.
Investing in important institutions like health care and education tends to benefit the economy as a whole, while tax cuts for the richest of the rich tend to benefit mainly the richest of the rich.
The Democrats aren't the crazy, irresponsible, far-left socialists that Fox News makes them out to be. Both Clinton and Obama support moderate economic policies that seem likely to be a significant economic improvement over the policies of the Bush administration.
Economics, meanwhile, has never exactly been McCain's biggest strength./(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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nobody can complain unless the election is rigged - if you want Obama to win get involved and get out every last young voter and black voter to the polls. i'm sure this election will have a record voter turnout but still a good 40% won't even cast a vote.I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!Comment
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The sad thing is that Obama's supporters honestly think he can change the US all by himself... They seem to forget that he needs the support of the congress and the senate to actually get anything done... How much support do they really think he's going to get from them?Comment
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I thought that too. But I think the longer you're in Congress, the more dirt they can dig up. The more votes they can bury you with. In a general election, Obama can target McCain on the Keating 5, the Iraq War, and a slew of other votes over his tenure. McCain can only call him inexperienced. Hillary had to resort to trying to bash him on his Illinois Senate record, but it didn't really work.
Plus it's hard to tell if the buzz around him will remain. Will he still garner the same passion from voters after they've heard the same speeches for another 8 years? Seen him become entrenched with lobbyists and other schemes all Congressman do. I think as a political advisor, I'd rather run the campaign of someone who is popular and unexperienced vs someone with a lot of experience but a lot of baggage too. Over the month before the election, I can tear about that baggage, but I can only say he's inexperienced so many times.Comment
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That's not going to matter that much.. In order to truly change things, you need to go against all the power in washington which is big business and the lobbies... and those guys have their claws deep in congress and the senate... So you can promise change all you want but the reality is that it will be minimal even IF you're able to sway both houses. Right now, the vast majority of the voters are buying into his promise of change... But they're not looking beyond that to how he's actually going to get it done with the congress and senate.. That's what is really going to matter...Comment
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Alot more than Clinton would. She couldn't get health care passed in '93 with significant democratic majorities in both the house and the senate.
On another note, it would be nice if you could speak for what you think and believe and not presume to know what Obama supporters "think he can do all by himself"
Any president will have to work with congress to get things done, who do you think has the better chance of doing that, the candidate who wants to stop playing gotcha politics and stop demonizing people who don't share his views, or the one who constantly talks about the "republican attack machine" and "vast right wing conspiracies"?sig too bigComment
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He may be a good speaker, but he's still black.Comment
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While you make good points, what you are saying also indicates the big danger of voting for Obama. Had Obama been a senator for longer, what mistakes would he have made? What kind of track record would he have set?
It appears to me as if many people are willfully ignoring the very real risk that Obama will not turn out the way they are expecting. After all, there is no good indication right now of how he will function, beyond mere words.
Think of choosing a president as choosing a marriage partner. What would be the better choice, someone whom you've known for a long time, and of whom you know both the qualities and the flaws? Or someone you've only been on a single date with, and about whom you only know that they are attractive and a good conversationalist?/(bb|[^b]{2})/Comment
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Nobody is saying he would have made a mistake....they're saying that there would be votes that could be used against him.
The nature of legislative politics is that sometimes you have to vote for a bad bill....there are so many things attached to bills that have nothing to do with the original bill, that you're never voting for "everything" that is in a bill.
At some point someone would do something like attach a ban on partial birth abortion to a bill that funded veterans benefits.....now you either have to vote against veteran's benefits, or vote to ban partial birth abortion....what do you do?
With a long enough senate career you'll have dozens of situations like this that make great fodder for negative attack ads......there is a very good reason we haven't had a Senator get elected President since Kennedy.....and this is the reason.sig too bigComment
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I think it's quite ridiculous that you're trying to say that Obama went to the Senate just to set up a run for President and hasn't done anything other than run for President since he's been there.
Hillary is a carpet bagger who moved to New York specifically to run for Moynihan's seat so that she could set up her run for President.
She had absolutely no ties to the State of New York before this and had she not been married to the President while running, her candidacy would have been an absolute joke.
Had she run for the Senate in her home state of Illinois or her adopted state of Arkansas that would have made sense, but to run in New York just because there was a seat open there that would inevitably go to a democrat is nothing short of cold, calculated political ambition.
Obama on the other hand lived in Illinois for two decades....was a community organizer and civil rights attorney, then served as a state legislator for several years before running for the U.S. Senate, and has accomplished plenty in the years he's spent as a public servant TYVM.Last edited by Snake Doctor; 03-18-2008, 03:59 PM.sig too bigComment
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