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  • Drake
    Hello world!
    • Mar 2003
    • 12508

    #91
    Originally posted by Libertine
    Bush was voted in based on the idea, among many, that he was a likable guy, that the job wasn't rocket science, and that he could probably handle it. Now where have I heard that before?

    Obama has chosen not to spend his time in the Senate learning the boring, technical details of legislation, but rather building up his own popularity. That does not bode well for his desire and ability to learn.
    Bush was voted in because he had experience as Governor of Texas (I think he was pretty successful at it too), had experience in business, was the son of a former President, came from money and influence, and was likable enough to have a majority vote for him.

    Obama and Bush are apples and oranges. Obama's entire life is one of a desire to learn and help. If it wasn't he never would have finished high let alone Harvard law school and then into politics. He's obviously ambitious (this could be good and bad), and I'm not saying he'd make a good President. All I'm saying is that I think his bid makes sense.

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    • Drake
      Hello world!
      • Mar 2003
      • 12508

      #92
      Originally posted by Libertine
      That's what advisers are for, indeed. And how is someone who has not taken the effort to get to know the murky, boring, technical details of the issues supposed to choose the right advisers, and choose the right advice?

      Obama is surrounded by competent people, yes. Those competent people will often give him conflicting advice. He doesn't actually have two cents to put in, so choosing the right advice over the wrong advice is a matter of sheer luck.

      Once again: Bush. Bush had advisers, but little knowledge of his own. And look how well that turned out.
      Anybody who has attended law school is familiar with murky, boring, technical details. Law school is nothing but technical laborious detail. Lawyers routinely come across conflicing advice and statements and it is their job to make sense of it and go with the 'right' decision. This wouldn't be something new for Obama.

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      • Phoenix
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        • Nov 2002
        • 35475

        #93
        its fun to watch the same people bat their heads against the wall over and over
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        • cykoe6
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          • Apr 2005
          • 4499

          #94
          I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
          Nice to see him throw his Grandmother who raised under the bus trying to get elected.
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          • Libertine
            sex dwarf
            • May 2002
            • 17860

            #95
            Originally posted by Mike33
            Bush was voted in because he had experience as Governor of Texas (I think he was pretty successful at it too), had experience in business, was the son of a former President, came from money and influence, and was likable enough to have a majority vote for him.

            Obama and Bush are apples and oranges. Obama's entire life is one of a desire to learn and help. If it wasn't he never would have finished high let alone Harvard law school and then into politics. He's obviously ambitious (this could be good and bad), and I'm not saying he'd make a good President. All I'm saying is that I think his bid makes sense.
            Pretty much everyone knew Gore was far more knowledgeable about the issues than Bush. In terms of knowledge and experience, Gore was far more suitable than Bush. Based on those things alone, Gore would have won without a problem. The conservative base, while very significant, would by itself not have been enough to deliver the victory to Bush.

            The reason he won was likability. Moderates could identify more with the guy posing as a "regular Joe" than with a born bureaucrat like Gore.

            As for Obama... his entire life is one of a very strong ambition. Ambition, coupled with intelligence and charisma, is more than enough to ensure success. No desire to help or learn is needed for that.

            That is not to say that Obama does not have a desire to help. I'm sure he does. About his desire to learn, however, I'm less sure. More importantly, I am rather unsure about how good of an idea it is not to spend significant time learning the details of the trade before running for president, instead of planning to learn them after being voted in.

            Like you, I am unsure whether he'd make a competent president. Looking at the current US economy, that worries me. When the economy is failing, taking large risks seems like a rather bad idea to me.
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            • Libertine
              sex dwarf
              • May 2002
              • 17860

              #96
              Originally posted by Mike33
              Anybody who has attended law school is familiar with murky, boring, technical details. Law school is nothing but technical laborious detail. Lawyers routinely come across conflicing advice and statements and it is their job to make sense of it and go with the 'right' decision. This wouldn't be something new for Obama.
              Familiar with murky, boring, technical details? Yes. Familiar with the relevant murky, boring, technical details? No.

              Being a senator was the perfect opportunity to learn about the relevant details. Instead, he chose to spend his time on other things.
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              • Drake
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                • Mar 2003
                • 12508

                #97
                Very good points Libertine. I guess we'll see what happens and cross our fingers for the best.

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                • Libertine
                  sex dwarf
                  • May 2002
                  • 17860

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Mike33
                  Very good points Libertine. I guess we'll see what happens and cross our fingers for the best.
                  Thanks.

                  I'd like to add, though, that I would love to see him as president - 4 or 8 years from now, after he's gained more experience in the Senate, and has proven himself to be a competent legislator as well as an inspiring and charismatic personality.
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                  • ninavain
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 6268

                    #99
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                    • slapass
                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 14625

                      #100
                      Originally posted by Mike33
                      It should concern anybody that McCain has aligned himself and his policies with a person who has been voted as the worst President in history, and yet he still stands a chance to win.
                      The dems are giving it them by only putting up really weak candidates. I am not anti women or anti black but lets face it there are folks that are. Add in hilary's past and Obama's lack of one and crap, the republicans actually have a chance.

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                      • baddog
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                        • Apr 2001
                        • 107089

                        #101
                        Originally posted by Libertine
                        Thanks.

                        I'd like to add, though, that I would love to see him as president - 4 or 8 years from now, after he's gained more experience in the Senate, and has proven himself to be a competent legislator as well as an inspiring and charismatic personality.
                        I have always stated he should have waited 8 years. Now I wonder if his jumping the gun will have a negative effect 8 years from now.

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                        • BusterBunny
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                          • Aug 2005
                          • 19291

                          #102
                          not even close
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                          • Mutt
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 34431

                            #103
                            wtf? Bush had experience? he was the friggin' governor of Texas, a state where the governor doesn't wield much power, if George Bush Sr. literally had a retarded son not one who's just a little slow he'd still have been able to get him the governorship of Texas.

                            comparing Dubya's achievements and Obama's prior to running for the presidency is a joke - Dubya bailed on the National Guard his daddy got him into to avoid the Vietnam War, was a cokehead overaged frat boy until he was 40, then handed an oil company that went bust under him, a baseball team that was a disaster on and off the field, then became governor of Texas.

                            haha - can you imagine Dubya being the editor of the Harvard Law Review?

                            with the economy teetering on the abyss though I'd be very concerned to elect a Democrat - the Republicans aren't much better fiscally now but a Democrat really could crash the country into a devastating long Depression.
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                            • ninavain
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 6268

                              #104
                              Originally posted by Mutt
                              wtf? Bush had experience? he was the friggin' governor of Texas, a state where the governor doesn't wield much power, if George Bush Sr. literally had a retarded son not one who's just a little slow he'd still have been able to get him the governorship of Texas.

                              comparing Dubya's achievements and Obama's prior to running for the presidency is a joke - Dubya bailed on the National Guard his daddy got him into to avoid the Vietnam War, was a cokehead overaged frat boy until he was 40, then handed an oil company that went bust under him, a baseball team that was a disaster on and off the field, then became governor of Texas.

                              haha - can you imagine Dubya being the editor of the Harvard Law Review?

                              with the economy teetering on the abyss though I'd be very concerned to elect a Democrat - the Republicans aren't much better fiscally now but a Democrat really could crash the country into a devastating long Depression.
                              so will another 10 years in Iraq and possibly another war with Iran...sorry I'll take my chances with the Dems this time around

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                              • Drake
                                Hello world!
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 12508

                                #105
                                Originally posted by slapass
                                The dems are giving it them by only putting up really weak candidates. I am not anti women or anti black but lets face it there are folks that are. Add in hilary's past and Obama's lack of one and crap, the republicans actually have a chance.

                                Agreed.

                                I'd love for Obama to say that he'd have a ticket with Edwards. It may be premature, but I really think that would help. I think they would make an admirable team at least as far as knocking off the McCain/Bush machine. Edwards got shafted by all the 'change' hoopla but that may bite the Dems in the ass if they don't pick somebody like him back up and put him in the game with them.

                                Heck, even Hillary could do the same - say she'll have Edwards as VP.
                                Last edited by Drake; 03-18-2008, 02:03 PM.

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