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  • CosmicTang
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2007
    • 1478

    #46
    Originally posted by Snake Doctor
    It amazes me how hateful some people are....if Obama offered to make baddog Secretary of State he would still talk shit about him and dis him every chance he got.

    Why can't people be reasonable at least?

    I'm a dyed in the sackcloth liberal, I supported Paul Tsongas, Bill Bradley, John Edwards (in 2004) and now Obama, but I'm still willing to admit that McCain has been great on issues like campaign finance reform and earmarks during his tenure in the Senate.

    I'm willing to admit that George W Bush has done more for the continent of Africa than any president in history and he should be applauded for it.

    Obama just gave an incredible speech on race in America. It was a brutally honest take on race relations in this country that resonated with black and white people alike. It was an historic moment.

    Why for the love of god can't you just admit that?

    THIS sort of bickering is one of the reasons that I love Obama....he's willing to fight for what he believes in without demonizing the other side. He realizes there are smart people out there who disagree with him, and he doesn't have to belittle them or sling mud at them in order to make his point.
    THAT is the kind of change America needs. One where people can disagree with a war and not be accused of being unpatriotic or accused of not supporting our troops. One where people can say our health care system is broken and needs drastic reforms without being called a socialist. One where people can be pro-choice and not be told that they want to kill babies.

    If you want 4-8 more years of mud-slinging, gridlock, and demonizing people who disagree with you, then vote for someone else. If you'd like to see the end of that and the start of an honest intellectual debate on the issues the country faces, then vote for Obama.
    well said....for a bleeding heart. ;)
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    • Inde
      Confirmed User
      • Jun 2002
      • 983

      #47
      Originally posted by pocketkangaroo

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      • Snake Doctor
        I'm Lenny2 Bitch
        • Mar 2001
        • 13449

        #48
        Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
        He should have won the nom by now if he is as inspiring as people say. Or the next logical thought is Clinton is just as inspiring.
        I'm so sick of this argument that says that because Obama hasn't wrapped up the nomination yet it means he isn't a strong candidate.

        On the contrary, the fact that he's still in this proves what a strong candidate he is.

        Hillary Clinton had all of the money, all of the establishment support, all of the endorsements, 200+ superdelegates in her pocket before the first votes were cast, and a former president campaigning for her every day....a former president who left office with a 60%+ approval rating (and much higher than that among democrats)

        Hillary Clinton had all of the advantages that Walter Mondale and Al Gore had when running for the democratic nomination, yet SHE hasn't been able to close the deal. A candidate with that much establishment support and name recognition should have closed the deal on Super Tuesday.
        The Clinton campaign actually believed it would be over by Super Tuesday, they spent all of their money and had no strategy in place for the primaries and caucuses that took place after that.

        The fact that she, who was 20+ points ahead in the national polls as recently as two months ago, wasn't able to wrap this up against an insurgent candidate goes to show what a weak candidate and polarizing figure Hillary is.
        The fact that Obama has been ahead of her in pledged delegates ever since the first vote was cast in Iowa, despite all of his disadvantages (running against what was practically an incumbents campaign) shows what a strong candidate he is.
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        • latinasojourn
          Confirmed User
          • Oct 2003
          • 3191

          #49
          Originally posted by ninavain
          incredible speech Obama 08
          yes, gotta admit the guy has an IQ and can think on his feet.

          did not read that speech, must have worked from an outline, he was looking
          everywhere while talking.

          and he says some things that are not politically expediant.

          and his wife is smart as a whip.

          my guess is you'll see darkies in the white house.

          hope he is smart enough to pick edwards as VP.

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          • Ayla_SquareTurtle
            Confirmed User
            • Sep 2005
            • 3550

            #50
            I don't know, something about Obama... when he talks, I just don't believe him. He comes across as a liar. It's purely a gut feeling but it really bothers me. Of course we all know Bush lies through his teeth but somehow he at least seems like he believes his BS as it comes through his lips.
            gone. long gone.

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            • TheDoc
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2001
              • 13827

              #51
              Originally posted by baddog
              Oh, so he is old. Probably compared to you Obama is old too.

              WTF does that have to do with change?
              McCain is to old.. and he has cancer. So a vote for McCain is a vote for his vice president to be president.
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              • ninavain
                So Fucking Banned
                • Jan 2004
                • 6268

                #52
                Originally posted by baddog
                There have been lots of candidates over the years that got young people excited about the process. Nothing new about that.

                What will that do for the economy or anything else for that matter?
                Oh really, please name some

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                • ninavain
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 6268

                  #53
                  Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                  I'm so sick of this argument that says that because Obama hasn't wrapped up the nomination yet it means he isn't a strong candidate.

                  On the contrary, the fact that he's still in this proves what a strong candidate he is.

                  Hillary Clinton had all of the money, all of the establishment support, all of the endorsements, 200+ superdelegates in her pocket before the first votes were cast, and a former president campaigning for her every day....a former president who left office with a 60%+ approval rating (and much higher than that among democrats)

                  Hillary Clinton had all of the advantages that Walter Mondale and Al Gore had when running for the democratic nomination, yet SHE hasn't been able to close the deal. A candidate with that much establishment support and name recognition should have closed the deal on Super Tuesday.
                  The Clinton campaign actually believed it would be over by Super Tuesday, they spent all of their money and had no strategy in place for the primaries and caucuses that took place after that.

                  The fact that she, who was 20+ points ahead in the national polls as recently as two months ago, wasn't able to wrap this up against an insurgent candidate goes to show what a weak candidate and polarizing figure Hillary is.
                  The fact that Obama has been ahead of her in pledged delegates ever since the first vote was cast in Iowa, despite all of his disadvantages (running against what was practically an incumbents campaign) shows what a strong candidate he is.
                  well said

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                  • ADL Colin
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Feb 2001
                    • 11929

                    #54
                    Originally posted by latinasojourn

                    did not read that speech, must have worked from an outline, he was looking
                    everywhere while talking.

                    .
                    This was at the beginning of the transcript.
                    "(CBS) The following are the remarks prepared for delivery by Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama on March 18, 2008 in Philadelphia. "

                    Looks to me like he was looking at two teleprompters; possibly three. Reading his speech. I compared to a partial youtube clip and he deviated by misreading one of the words and covered it up really well by saying "and (original word)". But nearly all verbatim of the "prepared for delivery" transcript.


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                    • escorpio
                      I love to racism, bro!
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 23487

                      #55
                      Originally posted by ninavain
                      Oh really, please name some
                      Are you new? Just about every democratic candidate in my lifetime has made the "youth vote" claim.
                      Unvaxxed, still alive.

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                      • CosmicTang
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 1478

                        #56
                        Originally posted by escorpio
                        Are you new? Just about every democratic candidate in my lifetime has made the "youth vote" claim.
                        true, but how many have delivered it?
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                        • ADL Colin
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Feb 2001
                          • 11929

                          #57
                          Originally posted by ninavain
                          Oh really, please name some
                          Don't have to go back that far. Bill Clinton's appearances on MTV and Arsenio were said to have "energized young voters"


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                          • Libertine
                            sex dwarf
                            • May 2002
                            • 17860

                            #58
                            Originally posted by Snake Doctor
                            It amazes me how hateful some people are....if Obama offered to make baddog Secretary of State he would still talk shit about him and dis him every chance he got.

                            Why can't people be reasonable at least?

                            I'm a dyed in the sackcloth liberal, I supported Paul Tsongas, Bill Bradley, John Edwards (in 2004) and now Obama, but I'm still willing to admit that McCain has been great on issues like campaign finance reform and earmarks during his tenure in the Senate.

                            I'm willing to admit that George W Bush has done more for the continent of Africa than any president in history and he should be applauded for it.

                            Obama just gave an incredible speech on race in America. It was a brutally honest take on race relations in this country that resonated with black and white people alike. It was an historic moment.

                            Why for the love of god can't you just admit that?

                            THIS sort of bickering is one of the reasons that I love Obama....he's willing to fight for what he believes in without demonizing the other side. He realizes there are smart people out there who disagree with him, and he doesn't have to belittle them or sling mud at them in order to make his point.
                            THAT is the kind of change America needs. One where people can disagree with a war and not be accused of being unpatriotic or accused of not supporting our troops. One where people can say our health care system is broken and needs drastic reforms without being called a socialist. One where people can be pro-choice and not be told that they want to kill babies.

                            If you want 4-8 more years of mud-slinging, gridlock, and demonizing people who disagree with you, then vote for someone else. If you'd like to see the end of that and the start of an honest intellectual debate on the issues the country faces, then vote for Obama.
                            This little bit intrigues me:

                            THAT is the kind of change America needs.
                            There are two problems with your statement.

                            The first is that Obama doesn't actually appear to bring such change. Sure, he talks about it, but with a bit of research you'd know that his campaign has been engaging in things like deceptive mailings, just like the other campaigns. Talking about change, obviously, is not the same as actual change.

                            More important, however, is the second problem. The biggest issue being faced by the US right now is not a lack of positive, inspiring politicians. It's a huge economic crisis, the likes of which probably has not been seen in decades. Inspiring speeches will not solve this issue.

                            What's needed right now is competent governing. Obama's underwhelming record in congress, unfortunately, casts doubt on his ability to do just that. He has star power, yes. But is he competent where it really matters? Nobody knows.
                            /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                            • escorpio
                              I love to racism, bro!
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 23487

                              #59
                              Originally posted by CosmicTang
                              true, but how many have delivered it?
                              Are you asking what dems have won the election in my lifetime? JFK, LBJ, Carter and Clinton. I was too young to remember the first two.

                              Why do people act like it's a BFD that Obama is going to deliver the youth vote? The dems have ALWAYS had the youth vote.
                              Unvaxxed, still alive.

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                              • Sarah_Jayne
                                Now with more Jayne
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 40077

                                #60
                                Originally posted by ADL Colin
                                Don't have to go back that far. Bill Clinton's appearances on MTV and Arsenio were said to have "energized young voters"
                                Every time I see a candidate on a talk show I get flashes of a saxophone.

                                I very much remember him hitting the 'youth vote'. I was in high school the first time and college the second and he had that base.

                                To me at times watching this election from a bit of a distance it sometimes feels like Obama is playing Hillary at her husband's game and doing it better.

                                Of course when my fire fox spell check accepts 'Obama' as a correctly spelled word I will know he really has made it.
                                Last edited by Sarah_Jayne; 03-18-2008, 12:15 PM.

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