Originally Posted by Snake Doctor

Really? So you don't know any catholics on birth control? Or catholics who are pro-choice (John Kerry anyone?)

Most churches in America aren't "megachurches" that revolve around a charismatic pastor....and most church goers aren't people who worship their pastor and believe everything he says.
There are alot of reasons to go to a certain church other than the man preaching from the pulpit. Alot of denominations change pastors every few years yet the make-up of the congregation stays the same....because people are loyal to their faith/denomination/community, not to the preacher.



Actually, unlike some other people in this race who try to belittle Obama for his great speeches, he actually writes most of his own speeches. He also wrote his own books (they weren't ghosted)
How about that, a person with ideas who can articulate them eloquently to the American public running for office.
If you want to talk about someone saying what their publicity team tells them to say, and changes what they say based on the latest polling data, you need to look at the other candidate.



Not true....see above.
There aren't two people in the world who agree on absolutely everything. If you agreed with 90% of what a guy said but disagreed with 10% of what he said, you would just disown the guy over the 10%?
Obama's been going to church there for 20 years....that's like 800 Sundays. Out of 800 sermons, the media hype is over two or three sermons (that Obama wasn't there for) and yet you're somehow trying to say that it isn't possible for Obama to disagree with the guy on these issues because he remained a member of the church.

Puhlease.



They won't share the ticket, that's a guarantee.



So people who love their country can't call their government out on it's own bullshit?
The only people who love their country are the ones who heap praise upon their government no matter what it does?

That's the sort of bullshit rhetoric that got us into the Iraq war....because the people who tried to call the government out on this bullshit war were called appeasers, we "blamed America first" and we were unpatriotic and didn't "support the troops" because we were against the war.

While I will agree that the tone of the pastor's statements were a little frightening....from a factual point of view he really wasn't off base.
Any intelligence expert will tell you that 9/11 was "blowback" for alot of the shitty things we've done in the middle east and around the world. To act surprised and indignant that we were attacked is ridiculous.

Also, U.S. public policy has at the very least exacerbated the problems of the black underclass in urban areas, and he has a right to say so.