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  • woj
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    • Jul 2002
    • 47880

    #51
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    • vulpes69
      Registered User
      • Mar 2006
      • 7

      #52
      Originally posted by seven
      mNo, it could NEVER be my gallery that didn't do well it's either thehun traffic itself that sucked or ccbill scrubbed my ass. same old story over and over.. I had bought spots on hun for years in the past and still do every now and again never had i ever blamed the processor for a bad sales day, nor thehun traffic. I believe and I KNOW it's me who'd be to blame for bad sales not my processor, not thehun, not my mom who passed away, not my dad with a heart condition or my pregnant wife it's me myself to be blamed and i guess that makes me do better than average Joe and that makes me worry less about coming up with BS about why my gallery didn't convert. Damn! Now, I'm gonna have a bad sales day tomorrow for sure for wasting too much time in this thread.. maybe will too have to come up with a "CCBill scrubbing my ass again thread" tomorrow
      come on tough guy meet me inToronto and I will snap your legs. we have been doing this for 7 years and it has never been this bad.

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      • Bansheelinks
        Confirmed User
        • Apr 2003
        • 6023

        #53
        the scary thing is that this is the end of March.........march typically is a very good month......I shudder to imagine what this would be like, at this level, in July

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        • bellskids
          Confirmed User
          • Jul 2002
          • 558

          #54
          this week has been excellent until the 30th. We were on track to smash last weeks record which itself smashed the previous record by 30%. But for the 30th our sales are 1/3rd of what we have had the rest of the week. Possibly a statistical correction sure but this is our worst day in well over a month. That being said we only have the 1 decline email so far, so scrubbing would seem doubtful as a cause. still on track for a great week and month though. Thats the most important stat
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          • V_RocKs
            Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
            • Nov 2003
            • 32451

            #55
            Originally posted by Probono
            and if they lose their merchant account what creek would we be up?
            Cave Creek?

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            • V_RocKs
              Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
              • Nov 2003
              • 32451

              #56
              Originally posted by seven
              someone always is complaining about ccbill scrubbing hard everyday no matter what time of the year so i guess ccbill is scrubbing hard 24/7/365?
              I don't complain much about their scrub. Only about twice and possibly three times a year...

              I understand fluctuations and I realize they happen. I only bitch when it happens for days... and when it doesn't coincide with my sales through EPOCH... During Katrina I had shitty sales for 2 days with EPOCH and CCBILL... Understandable, people were watching TV and wives where staying up watching TV which meant husbands can't hide in the office or basement to watch porn so easily...

              This isn't like that time... My EPOCH sales are through the roof. My CCBILL sales are through the floor and almost non-existant. Sponsors who use both companies and send out emails telling you what you sold and how you sold it tell me I made the sales via EPOCH even when they were the secondary processor in the cascade. That tells me CCBILL is scrubbing hard.

              Yes, I know they make money on sales and not scrubbing. So why is this happening? Don't tell me that (not you specifically, Seven), tell CCBILL this factual info!

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              • ilbb
                Confirmed User
                • May 2005
                • 3025

                #57
                for me works ccbill good...better than NATS sponsors

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                • Snake Doctor
                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 13449

                  #58
                  Remember the good old days when people would blame shitty sales on sponsor shaving?

                  These "scrubbing" threads aren't nearly as entertaining as the old shaving threads.
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                  • looky_lou
                    Confirmed User
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1771

                    #59
                    All of my CCBill sponsors are way down this month overall. Especially the past two weeks. Maybe its not a scrubing problem, Maybe they have deeper issues.

                    I used to search out good CCBill sponsors and use them over the others. Now I am searching for good sponsors that don't use just CCBill.
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                    • Bansheelinks
                      Confirmed User
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 6023

                      #60
                      Originally posted by looky_lou
                      All of my CCBill sponsors are way down this month overall. Especially the past two weeks. Maybe its not a scrubing problem, Maybe they have deeper issues.

                      I used to search out good CCBill sponsors and use them over the others. Now I am searching for good sponsors that don't use just CCBill.
                      Sadly, this is now becoming the norm.

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                      • seven
                        Confirmed User
                        • Apr 2002
                        • 2697

                        #61
                        Originally posted by V_RocKs
                        This isn't like that time... My EPOCH sales are through the roof. My CCBILL sales are through the floor and almost non-existant. Sponsors who use both companies and send out emails telling you what you sold and how you sold it tell me I made the sales via EPOCH even when they were the secondary processor in the cascade. That tells me CCBILL is scrubbing hard.
                        We alternate between ccbill & epoch and neither one is doing better than the other. Our total # of sales are down cause haven't worked on the promo at all in last few months but mind that's the total number not ratio, ratio's same as before and ratio is also the same on both epoch & ccbill. I'd say your sales are just fluctuating but maybe for the worse this time that's all
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                        • seven
                          Confirmed User
                          • Apr 2002
                          • 2697

                          #62
                          Originally posted by Lenny2
                          Remember the good old days when people would blame shitty sales on sponsor shaving?

                          These "scrubbing" threads aren't nearly as entertaining as the old shaving threads.
                          lol. what he said.
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                          • Trax
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                            • Aug 2001
                            • 14486

                            #63
                            yesterday was aweful for me

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                            • Ian
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 1259

                              #64
                              Something's up for sure, been slow.

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                              • escorpio
                                doesn't fuck around.
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 23486

                                #65
                                Originally posted by looky_lou
                                All of my CCBill sponsors are way down this month overall. Especially the past two weeks. Maybe its not a scrubing problem, Maybe they have deeper issues.

                                I used to search out good CCBill sponsors and use them over the others. Now I am searching for good sponsors that don't use just CCBill.
                                What he said.
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                                • V_RocKs
                                  Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                  • Nov 2003
                                  • 32451

                                  #66
                                  Hey... CCBILL, turn off the scrub...

                                  Shit... someone left the scrub on high... well, perhaps tomorrow will feal like, "Da first of da monnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnth!" when they remove it?

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                                  • BOSS1
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                                    • Sep 2005
                                    • 4331

                                    #67
                                    anybodies ratios are better today?

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                                    • bringer
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                                      • Jul 2003
                                      • 13082

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by BOSS1
                                      anybodies ratios are better today?
                                      better but still bad.
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                                      • Nad
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Feb 2003
                                        • 503

                                        #69
                                        maybe it is the end of the month and they are trying to keep the percentages where they are for mc and visa... I would expect all the ratios to be increasing at midnight
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                                        • bringer
                                          i have man boobies
                                          • Jul 2003
                                          • 13082

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by Nad
                                          maybe it is the end of the month and they are trying to keep the percentages where they are for mc and visa... I would expect all the ratios to be increasing at midnight
                                          id agree if this hadnt started 5 days into the month
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                                          • BlingDaddy
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Apr 2004
                                            • 6343

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by BOSS1
                                            anybodies ratios are better today?
                                            If 1:4500 is better...maybe.
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                                            • V_RocKs
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                                              • Nov 2003
                                              • 32451

                                              #72
                                              Nope.. unless you mean my EPOCH ratios where it would be a yes.

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                                              • vanillaice
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jul 2004
                                                • 512

                                                #73
                                                I've completely ignored sites that only use ccbill for awhile now. It sucks because there are usually quality amateur sites, the type I like to promote, but I just can't handle the crazy ccbill ratios.

                                                I've been in the biz a few years now, and I don't think i've *ever* seen a site convert better than 1:200 on a consistent basis just using ccbill. I've tested it with tgp, link site, organic SE, and PPC SE traffic. (obviously not a mixed batch to one site, that would screw up the testing.)

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                                                • phuner
                                                  Registered User
                                                  • Oct 2002
                                                  • 21

                                                  #74
                                                  CCBILL - do you have any comment on all this?

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                                                  • leggs
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                                                    • May 2005
                                                    • 761

                                                    #75
                                                    I fucked up.
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                                                    • Remastered
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Mar 2006
                                                      • 182

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by phuner
                                                      CCBILL - do you have any comment on all this?
                                                      What comment do you want them to make?

                                                      "Sorry - we were scrubbing hard to keep our merchant accounts and keep you from going back to work at Wendys"

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                                                      • looky_lou
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                        • 1771

                                                        #77
                                                        Originally posted by Remastered
                                                        What comment do you want them to make?

                                                        "Sorry - we were scrubbing hard to keep our merchant accounts and keep you from going back to work at Wendys"
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                                                        • wyldblyss
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                          • 5779

                                                          #78
                                                          There are so many factors that come into play regarding sales and it becomes so easy to blame lower sales on scrubbing. There are however a lot of factors that you have to take into account. Nicer weather means people spend more time outside. Many webmasters get lower sales in the spring/summer than they do in the fall and winter. You have to remember that March is Spring Break month with students from all over the world spending every dime they have going someplace hot. That means they have less money to spend on porn and their credit cards are probably maxed. That means less sales for some webmasters. Families take off for spring break too, so that would have an effect too.

                                                          Sporting events, holidays, vacation times, weather, time of the month (some people are broke that last week of every month trying to get their mortgage/rent payment together), how many other webmasters are promoting the same thing you are (things can get over saturated) can all show up in your sales. I am not saying billing companies do not scrub, I'm just saying you can't blame ever fluctuation in sales on the billing companies.

                                                          Having said that, it is April 1st so I had to do Monster Partners March numbers. Sales were up over 70% compared to February, if CCBill is scrubbing hard then it certainly is not showing up in our sales

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