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  • woj
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    • Jul 2002
    • 47880
    #201
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      • Kimmykim
        bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
        • Jun 2001
        • 16015
        #202
        Originally posted by Mike33
        Which companies are doing this?
        My mom lives in the somewhat rural south -- NC -- 3 of the companies that closed their plants a few years ago to use cheap overseas labor have either re-opened or are in the process.

        Interestingly enough, the boat building industry is also seeing a very large cost increase in Asian built boats by the time they hit US shores. A lot of boats are built at yards in China, and labor/shipping costs are the reason they don't price attractively like they did 2 years ago. A Bob Perry project has been re-priced at least 3 times in the last year over this exact thing.

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          • KRL
            Entrepreneur
            • Oct 2002
            • 31429
            #203
            Originally posted by AmateurFlix
            There are these new inventions that might help alleviate the concerns with having a wall across an area that some people would still like to travel through.

            They are called gates.
            In addition to insane logistics and costs to build a 2000 mile wall, it would be considered a huge political slap in the face to one of our very best trade partners.

            If the government can't stop drugs coming into this country after 40 years of trying to accomplish that bogus mission, they can't stop people coming in anywhere along 20,000 miles of our borders.

            The best solution I see is to help increase Mexico's economy so that there are less of their population living in poverty and without job opportunities. The only reason undocumented workers come here is to make more money than they can down there. Solve that problem and they won't come here.
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              • cykoe6
                Confirmed User
                • Apr 2005
                • 4499
                #204
                Originally posted by KRL
                I don't think anyone has a viable realistic solution. I understand both sides of the argument, but its such a massive problem now because its been tolerated for so long that you just can't effectively stop it with the wave of a magic wand. And you have to be very aware of the economic impact of any solution because the manufacturing and service industries are very dependent on this cheap labor to maintain profitability.
                Actually I agree with you about that. I am very sympathetic towards immigrants personally. When I lived in the US (Brooklyn) most of my associates and friends were immigrants from Eastern Europe and Russia. I am currently a legal documented immigrant in Latvia so I understand better than most the issues involved.

                That being said, there has to be some attempt to enforce the law. My personal solution is to put up a wall on the southern border with Mexico, increase legal immigration and streamline the process (the legal immigration process in the US would make the Soviets proud), and provide amnesty for the immigrants that are currently here.
                Last edited by cykoe6; 03-29-2006, 12:25 PM.
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                  • Kimmykim
                    bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 16015
                    #205
                    Originally posted by KRL
                    The best solution I see is to help increase Mexico's economy so that there are less of their population living in poverty and without job opportunities. The only reason undocumented workers come here is to make more money than they can down there. Solve that problem and they won't come here.
                    If the Mexicans can't manage their money, that's not the fault of the US or any other country besides Mexico.

                    In 2004, Mexico was the 5th largest producer of oil on this planet. Nearly 4 million barrels each day, almost double the per day production of Iraq, a country I'm sure we've all heard about.

                    To add insult to injury, they are also 9th on the Net Exporters of oil list for the same calendar year, with just about half their production being exported. Which, coincidentally, is only slightly less than Iraq's totally daily production.

                    Maybe Mexico needs a dictator with some WMDs. We can invade Mexico, take the oil and put all the itinerant poor on welfare.

                    Out of the top ten oil producing countries in the world, only 3 are not on the Net Exporters list -- China, US, Canada...

                    http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/topworldtables1_2.html

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                      • KRL
                        Entrepreneur
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 31429
                        #206
                        Originally posted by Kimmykim
                        If the Mexicans can't manage their money, that's not the fault of the US or any other country besides Mexico.

                        In 2004, Mexico was the 5th largest producer of oil on this planet. Nearly 4 million barrels each day, almost double the per day production of Iraq, a country I'm sure we've all heard about.
                        The problem with most of the Latin countries, you only have 2 classes, the very rich and the very not rich. LOL.

                        If they'd drop their elitist class structure and start building up a large solid middle class then they'd become more like the US's economic class structure.

                        Might not solve the problem fully, but it would have some positive impact.
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                          • AmateurFlix
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 7762
                            #207
                            Originally posted by KRL
                            In addition to insane logistics and costs to build a 2000 mile wall, it would be considered a huge political slap in the face to one of our very best trade partners.
                            The great wall of china was constructed over 2000 years ago and spans over 4000 miles. It was built to keep out unwanted Mongols. This is not by any means a difficult task to construct - humans have been able to build it for over two millenia now, so the arguement that it is impractical is not valid.

                            As far as it being seen as a 'political slap in the face', they'll get over it, and if they don't, then it's not our problem anyway.

                            they can't stop people coming in anywhere along 20,000 miles of our borders.
                            That's just naive. There is not a 20000 mile problem area anyway, it's only a very small portion of the border where the problems are arising.

                            The best solution I see is to help increase Mexico's economy so that there are less of their population living in poverty and without job opportunities. The only reason undocumented workers come here is to make more money than they can down there. Solve that problem and they won't come here.
                            While that would probably be the ideal method (seeing the problem taken care of from within their own country), I don't know how that would happen without it costing Americans something.

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                              • KRL
                                Entrepreneur
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 31429
                                #208
                                Just a note for all you people that keep sprouting "This is OUR country, not theirs!", please try to remember, the Native American Indians where here in the US long long time before the white man came and slaughtered them all, stole their lands, then forced the remaining ones still alive onto Indian Reservations as token compensation.

                                So lets not forget our national history. This is only our land, because we stole it from the natives who where here first.

                                You must always remember that.
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                                  • AmateurFlix
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jul 2004
                                    • 7762
                                    #209
                                    Originally posted by KRL
                                    Just a note for all you people that keep sprouting "This is OUR country, not theirs!", please try to remember, the Native American Indians where here in the US long long time before the white man came and slaughtered them all, stole their lands, then forced the remaining ones still alive onto Indian Reservations as token compensation.

                                    So lets not forget our national history. This is only our land, because we stole it from the natives who where here first.

                                    You must always remember that.
                                    More importantly, they must always remember that THEIR ANCESTORS LOST THE WAR.

                                    No living person here took any land from any other living person. What you are speaking of happened over 100 years ago and is a quarrel long since past between a bunch of dead people. Get the fuck over it already. Whoever was right or wrong about any of it is dead now.

                                    It's just another excuse to try to get people to think that they owe them something that they didn't earn.

                                    Do you ever notice that you never hear of white people complaining about the various feuds and slaughters that happened in europe throughout the past centuries?

                                    So yes, this OUR country, not theirs, it belongs to us, American citizens living today. It doesn't belong to the dead.

                                    Remember that.

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                                      • KRL
                                        Entrepreneur
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 31429
                                        #210
                                        What are everyone's thoughts about the idea of making Mexico a new state in the United States?

                                        That would solve all the issues instantly.

                                        We'd add 106 Million to our population base.

                                        We'd get Mexico's $1 Trillion GDP which would go way up if managed by the USA.

                                        Pickup another 2 Million sq. miles of land.

                                        Get 3.4 Million barrels a day of oil production plus 46 billion barrels of reserves worth nearly $3 Trillion.

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                                          • AmigoPorn
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Jul 2003
                                            • 21583
                                            #211
                                            Originally posted by KRL
                                            Just a note for all you people that keep sprouting "This is OUR country, not theirs!", please try to remember, the Native American Indians where here in the US long long time before the white man came and slaughtered them all, stole their lands, then forced the remaining ones still alive onto Indian Reservations as token compensation.

                                            So lets not forget our national history. This is only our land, because we stole it from the natives who where here first.

                                            You must always remember that.
                                            Apparently some people here have selective memory and double standards.

                                            Originally posted by Kimmykim
                                            Maybe Mexico needs a dictator with some WMDs. We can invade Mexico, take the oil and put all the itinerant poor on welfare.
                                            Keep dreaming. Not gonna happen.
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                                              • Kimmykim
                                                bitchslapping zebras!!!!!
                                                • Jun 2001
                                                • 16015
                                                #212
                                                Originally posted by KRL
                                                The problem with most of the Latin countries, you only have 2 classes, the very rich and the very not rich. LOL.

                                                If they'd drop their elitist class structure and start building up a large solid middle class then they'd become more like the US's economic class structure.

                                                Might not solve the problem fully, but it would have some positive impact.
                                                Well, in the case of Mexico's oil production, this simply isn't the case. Mexico is a notable exception to non-OPEC member countries, because of the amount of oil they produce and the fact that the government owns the oil production, not private industry.

                                                So I'll just refer to my original suggestion of how we handle it.

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