Student walkouts in LA

I dealt with a lot of mexicans in the clothing industry in LA. I'm telling you guys straight up, they have a solid political agenda and plan to completely dominate the southwestern states again, especially California.

I assure you they aren't having huge families because they like having sex. Its all part of a powerful political plan to take control of their land again. That's why they are breeding like rabbits all over the US.

This country is already vastly divided on so many issues.

The reason why you don't see whites doing those jobs is because they don't pay enough, and they don't pay enough because employers have the ability to hire Mexicans at those low wages.

Someone in my family actually runs a home and office cleaning service. For years there was NO SHORTAGE of whites wanting those jobs. Then area services starting hiring illegals to save money so they could submit lower bids and get more accounts. All area services had to follow suit if they wanted to compete. So now the wages for cleaning are rock bottom and whites won't take the jobs they were once willing to do.

Again, this isn't about whites not wanting the jobs. It's about employers wanting to slash costs and lower wages.

You have to make a statement somehow.

You really don't expect for us to sick back and be criminalized overnight. I've worked very hard ever since I was able to, here in the USA. Now after so many years, it would be bullshit to be a felon today. If you think it's fair for the Law to take your parents back to mexico labled as a felon, your are just a pussy and won't stand for anything. That's pretty harsh when all you want to do is work. It's pretty fucking insulting.

We can argue all day long on this so I'll just say this. The American dream is to have a job, a house, and grow a famliy. It's not the mexicans fault everyone is lagging.

SI SE PUEDE!

Not to poke at you personally, but if your parents are here illegaly, they already are criminals. Whether they're working or not has nothing at all to do with that. It doesn't mean that they're otherwise bad people, but if they've done something wrong then they should take responsibility for it.

Why do people keep trying to cloud this issue with someone's work ethic? It's totally irrelevant.

Exactly my point!

I'm actually saying based on future population trends a civil war within the US is a possibility again.

Are you so arrogant to believe the US is invicibale to a war from within? LOL Its only been 150 years since this country was last split in half. That's hardly any time at all.

Between 2000 and 2100, the US Census Bureau is projecting the white percentage of the U.S. population will decline from 72 percent to only 40 percent and will continue to fall after 2100.

At 2050, the white population will no longer be a majority in the US and the country will literally be balkanized, with no single group having political control.

By 2100 1/3rd of the USA will be Hispanic and the white population will be only 8% larger in size. Some computer models are even projecting the possibility that the Hispanic population will overtake the white population because of the fact production of children by whites is trending further down.

Without a majority you end up with fractionalization in the political and economic arenas and a lot of arguments and fighting.

So you better start learning Spanish fast, because that is where we're heading.

a good reason for kids to skip school

why the fuck are they spray painting the buildings and street signs if all they want to do is work? and fuck man, the shit they write isnt even in english. If they acted like normal human beings I wouldnt care if they were here or not. I dont care if they want a better life for thier families and shit, i mean who doesnt want that? But god dammit stop spray painting everything.

you dont see white people spray painting spanish graffiti everywhere!

god damn taggers!

It's part of their culture and they use that to define territories within the community.

Where are you getting this 'civil war' stuff from? The only thing being discussed is the status of a few million criminals.

The last civil war here was fought by state governments, not by unhappy mobs of any particular ethnic group. The states that were trying to secede from the Union had military, industrial, and financial resources to utilize; mere ethnic groups do not and will not. Whether they make up 1% of the population or 99% is irrelevant.

Yeah why put forth the effort to learn the common language of the land when ya can just propagate ignorance instead

Is this the 'hard working' ethic that we've all been hearing about?

really? part of thier 'culture' is defacing other people's property?

maybe someone should clue the taggers in that it's not acceptable outside of a third world country to break the law just because it's part of their culture to do so

I wish Mayor Goodman of Las Vegas would come in here and post his opinion of the taggers

Hispanics shut down an entire Freeway in Los Angeles today. And that is only the beginning if this immigration crap gets passed into law.

In 2100 Spanish will be as common as English is.

It already is if you live or do business in southern california and certain other parts of the country. Guess thats just life.

The people of Mexico have two choices. They can either come here legally and have peice of mind for the rest of their lives, or illegally and know that at any given time problems could come up. If future legislation is passed, that will be THEIR PROBLEM because of the risk they chose to take.

I am absolutely sick and tired of hearing bullshit that amounts to the belief that poor "it's not their fault" people from failed countries have a right as human beings to come to the US at will without following any laws.

I believe in equal rights for everyone around the world to come to the US. There should be no special treatment of Mexicans. Russian, Asian and African workers should all have the same chances of getting here as Mexican workers.

They justify it by saying its an art form, so basically your private property is just an open canvas

I dont have a problem with the mexican people overall. All the mexican people I know are good people and work hard, and when I vacationed in mexico in december I felt very welcome and everybody i met was very nice.

Its just those fucking tagger punks that show total disrespect for other's property by defacing it with thier stupid graffiti that really sets me off.

Just a sign that society is going in the shitter. When I was up north, for 4 yrs the city i was in had no tagging at all but it slowly started to show up. Can't avoid it nowadays, just another blight of society.

Pedestrians blocking the roadways is a long ways from a civil war... and frankly it's a problem that is controllable if its expected. Widespread support will likely diminish as the protestors see alot of people getting hauled back over the border.

You're in fucking Disneyland if you think the US Government is going to deport 12 Million people back to Mexico or even turn 12 Million people into Felons.

Have you ever been to the southwest of the US or up to the Canadian border?

There are so many ways to slip in, its a joke.

GAO Investigators just got 2 small containers of all the radioactive materials to assemble a dirty bomb right through customs.

ABC News did a test also and they got in with the same materials.

Point being if the government can't even control something as paramount as nuclear bomb materials being snuck in you think they can handle a truck load wetbacks effectively?

shut the fuck up, dumb bot

exactly how are they being insulted?

That happens in every urban community of large cities and is hardly a Mexican-only practise. It's controlled where in areas where people want to have it controlled.

They're well on the way to doing so right now - that is what the laws that are being passed are dealing with. At some point it's going to happen. They're not going to just let this go on forever; a few state governments that border mexico haven't been enforcing the laws like they should so the federal government will step in and do so.

Yes I have, not that anyone would need to have visited there to understand the situation. A secure fence and an adequate border patrol are all that's needed; even an unorganized group of minute men is having some impact on the problem. The only thing preventing the border from being sealed up effectively is a budget and it's gotta be cheaper to build a fence put up some surveillence cameras and staff a few thousand people than deal with consequences of over ten million criminals.

As you mentioned the current lack of security is a concern for national threats as well, which gives even more incentive to tighten up the borders.

I vote we just give the illegals California (and it's debt problems and self important "celebrities") but they have to STAY there unless they want to be legals

Fuck it, I'm moving. Russia looks nice.

Thank you for saying this. I find it hard to believe that the illegal Mexicans are demanding to be heard. The illegals have NO right to demand shit.
This is our country, not theirs!!
If you want to be a citizen, then do it the right way or get out.

We have a huge problem in Arizona. We own a company here in phoenix and it is hard to compete with other companies that hire illegals. These companies pay the illegals less and their bids for jobs reflect this; putting a burden on companies like ours to make a legitimate living. In the end it hurts everyone. I hope to see some of these companies get the big fine, then I won't need to worry about them anymore.

I also find it unbelievable that the illegals get free medical for anything they wish; while the legal citizen can?t receive shit. I have not heard one fucking word about cutting all benefits to these illegals and that should be at the top of the list. They are bankrupting the hospitals with their freeloading asses.
My mother has to pay through the nose for her meds, but an illegal can get anything they want....something is really wrong with this!!

The Illegals also make up a big part of uninsured motorist in AZ, which is why we have a higher rate here for our uninsured motorist insurance. It is a law here that you must have insurance, but nooooo; not the illegal Mexicans, no law applies to them.

Another good example of how they abide by the law, is when they had the protest here in phoenix, they didn?t even bother to get a permit to picket or protest.

They also moved in neighborhoods surrounding our area and they are pigs to say the least. They have broken down cars in the driveways, trash, clothes, garbage in the yards and it goes on and on.

We have worked hard to get the house we have. I will be damned if we are going to sit by and let them drive the prices of homes down because they choose to live like fucking pigs.

This is a real big problem and it is going to be hard to solve. It is not fair for these illegals to get the highway to freedom at the expense of American citizens and it is not right for the illegals to not apply like any other person has had to do when seeking citizenship here.
What the fuck makes them so fucking special?

You'll get your wishes with my taco flavored kisses

You can put the crack pipe down any time. My boyfriends Latino, the first generation on either side of his family to be born here (his father fled Castro's Cuba, his mothers family immigrated from Mexico), so I think if there were some sort of Mexican conspiracy to take over the Southwest I'd have heard something about it, even if it were just him chitchatting with the cleaning lady or the gardeners about their impending rise to power in America.

jsut give em more beans and rice!

This thread made me laugh.

You'd best get home and get Tonda into bed. You're obviously not working on producing as many Mexican babies as you should be for the takeover ;)

After reading this entire thread (along with all the other illegal immigrant threads). I have to come back to this post.

I'm going to use this post to explain something. Now, along with the fact none of your valid points are actual solid facts. Most are just mere hearsay and opinions. It's quite clear you are jaded on this subject somehow, and hold a very biased opinion. With the post above (just one - though you have many), clearly showing this. You try to rationalize an illegal act, with an extremely grey area of so called "culture". You didn't add to the debate, You just tried to defend your side of the debate against what you perceived as a "threat".

Point is, you add nothing of real value to the discussions. You more or less cloud the debate with jaded opinions (smoke and mirrors). Providing no relevant data to be used in a serious discussion. It seems quite obvious you don't actually know much on the subject. That you have been deeply effected somehow in relation to the subject. And now hold a very biased opinion (and possibly a grudge?). Making you feel like you need to come into every illegal immigrant thread and argue.

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Aren't Americans responsible for the "Mexican problem" in the first place by applying their own ideology of "economy is the only law that applies". You guys ( meaning your big corporations) make the worst decision " in the name of the sacred economy) (by the way, you call it democraty, but it's really all about economy). Let's face it; American corporations have no ethic and they don't care as long as the share holders are happy.

If you always go for the cheapest labor, like companies moving to China to have cheeper prod cost, or hiring illegal Mexicans to save on salaries, this is what you're going to get. This way of thinking led to America fucking poor countries, but now because of the same logic, America is the one that gets to be sodomised by immoral economy logic.

If your big corporations would show some sort of example, the little cleaning companies, mowing lawn companies, etc. would do like they do now: follow the example. So, don't complain little companies are responsible for the damn Mexican problem. If every company would follow the rules and pay what a job is worth, we wouldn't have a problem. Mexicans keep coming because they are hired.

So please people: PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH. If you can move to China to save a penny, why would Mexicans that are willing to work for next to nothing stay in Mexico while they can be hired by cheap companies looking to save a damn penny?

absolutely, postively dead-on, that's why he can't reply to any of the real fa cts posted in this thread

I've already called the INS on you, but they said you're no threat - no Americans want your job

Lolol !!!

The nievity in this thread is unreal.

It's called La Reclamacion and I assure you it's very real.

Yes, it is. Here are some more interesting points from boortz.com:

PERHAPS THIS IS A SOLUTION TO THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION PROBLEM

Let's noodle this illegal immigration thing through for a minute. Why are these gate-crashers coming to America? Well, because nobody's stopping them, of course, but why do they want to be here? Hint: It's not to worship God as they chose, nor is it to have the right to free speech. It's economics. They come here because they have little hope of improving their lives where they live. History shows that free enterprise and capitalism do more to lift people out of despair and poverty than any other economic system. In spite of the best efforts of the socialist left in this country, free enterprise still pretty much powers our growing economy. Our low unemployment rate is the envy of the rest of the world.

So .. what if we were to crank up the economic engine in the United States to previously unheard of levels? What if the job-creation machine went into overdrive? What could bring this about? Well, how about a new tax code that completely removed all taxes from business and labor? What if such a tax code made America the world's number one tax haven for businesses? What if companies and manufacturing concerns from around the world started to make their plans to move manufacturing, production and distribution facilities into the United States to take advantage of our tax structure?

Two things would happen. First, job growth would be such in this country that we would have no problem at all assimilating the 11 to 12 million illegal aliens that now reside here. Remember, as I told you yesterday, these people are here to stay. They aren't going anywhere.

Secondly, other countries would start to become very alarmed by the drain of commerce to the United States. They would be unable to compete in a global economy with a country that places absolutely no tax component on labor or businesses. Oh, to be sure, these countries would start howling to the United Nations and to the European Union about "unfair tax competition" from those nasty Americans. Our response would be simple. You aren't going to beat us, so why don't you join us? Industrialized nations that want to maintain any significant portion of their manufacturing base would be compelled to play the same game America is playing. Understand, please, that these countries would have no choice. What are they going to do? Are they going to continue to tax the puddin' out of their own manufacturing base while the United States sits there across the pond, or north of the border, inviting all the world to come play in our tax-free business environment? Sooner or later, they have to play the game; and when they do it would usher in a new era of freedom and economic growth for the people of those countries. No longer would they have to leave their homes to find the opportunities they desire. The opportunities would come to them.

Now all we have to do is figure out such a tax system. Hmmmmmmm.

And more:

MORE FEEL-GOOD PROTESTS

Some 36,000 students...most of which probably wanted nothing more than to have the day off...skipped class and marched through downtown Los Angeles yesterday. Their cause? According to the mainstream media, they were protesting an immigration bill in Congress. How many of those 36,000 students do you suppose have read the immigration bill that has them so upset? Not many, I would guess.

Some were waving flags from Mexico, El Salvador and Guatemala. That's nice. Perhaps if they like those countries so much, they'll do us all a favor and move back to them. Anyway, all of these kids skipped school..cut class. They broke the rules. What do you think will happen to them? Absolutely nothing. They'll be allowed right back to school without any penalty. And that goes hand in hand with the issue being debated. Do whatever you want without any consequences. The rule of law means nothing.

Listen to this quote from some moron named Sergio Aguirre: "This is a country of immigrants, and this country would not be possible without us. We are the backbone, we work hard to get here and we work hard after we're here, but this bill is trying to take all that away." This is a classic case of someone talking about something they know nothing about. Aguirre is a legal immigrant. The bill being circulated in Congress only addresses illegal aliens.

One marcher said they deserved to not be treated like criminals. Fine...then don't be a criminal. If you're here legally, then you won't be treated like a criminal under the proposed legislation. If the children are our future, then we're in trouble.

Just because you aren't aware of it, doesn't mean its not real. Visit any mexican student organizations at UC schools and hear whats on their agenda.