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  • AkiraSS
    Wemaxa.com
    • Jan 2003
    • 2989
    #1

    Since when $900/month for 3 hours/day max is too little money for a Philippino

    I tried to hire couple of Philippino webmasters to do some site reviews for me.
    The work involved, half a page of review (text), couple of pics resized and linking to FHGs from the sponsor. 40 minutes of work max, can be done in 20 if you're fast.

    So I get couple of offers from the "SIR" population, and when I showed them the general concept they all said yes, but later when I showed the finished template they should use for the job, they all started increasing the price, and according to their logic, it'd end up to be from $900 to $1500 kinda deal.

    Freaking $1500 for the philippines, lol. Thought adultoutsourcing, prooutsourcing, xxxoutsourcing or whatever payed you like $200 or something.

    For freaking $1500 I can hire 7 local guys, or 1 USA employee.

    And, the funniest thing is, half of the phillipinos that contacted said they're americans living over there...ya right.
    Last edited by AkiraSS; 03-28-2006, 10:03 AM.
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    • Dirty F
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2001
      • 59204
      #2
      Recently i need something done so i contacted some of the outsourcers. I ended up finding an American who does the same work for half the price. Not that she works so cheap but those outsourcing guys ask insane prices. Kinda defeats the purpose of outsourcing, doesnt it.

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        • tranza
          ICQ: 197-556-237
          • Jun 2003
          • 57559
          #3
          Where are you from?
          I'm just a newbie.

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            • Dirty F
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jul 2001
              • 59204
              #4
              Originally posted by tranza
              Where are you from?

              Holland.

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                • AkiraSS
                  Wemaxa.com
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2989
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Franck
                  Recently i need something done so i contacted some of the outsourcers. I ended up finding an American who does the same work for half the price. Not that she works so cheap but those outsourcing guys ask insane prices. Kinda defeats the purpose of outsourcing, doesnt it.

                  You get my drift, it's sickening

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                    • BlueWire
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 4628
                      #6
                      If you go through the correct hoops you should save about 40-60% by using dedicated staff overseas.

                      If you are hiring a company that has offshore staff however, then you may not save anything as its all about their talent, skills, and service.

                      If you hire directly to workers (which is generally not the best idea) a 2k/mo american in an office setting would be about 400-500/mo in philippines.


                      I think where the foul up occurs in outsourcing is:

                      1) People dont realize that they need additional management in place because their staff is 5k miles away.

                      2) Many people dont have accurate knowledge about what a single designer or programmer should be able to do. In my visit to iWeb last week the most common reason for people dropping employees is because they cant design AND program well. For anyone that has had enough time in that field, its common knowledge that they are 2 completely different types of people. Also, I think there is some price lack of knowledge. a TRUE level 4 programmer in america should be as much as some lawyers. So a company like iWeb charging 4k or whatever is a great savings.


                      As for why a webmaster would want 1500...There has to be more to this story on one side or the other.

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                        • FreeHugeMovies
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Dec 2001
                          • 14141
                          #7
                          They always demand more money but want the work. I would never pay someone over there that is a new employee over 500 a month.

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                            • jjjay
                              Registered User
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 1813
                              #8
                              would iwebmasters be the solution?

                              I don't know, haven't used them. much cheaper prices than that though

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                                • AkiraSS
                                  Wemaxa.com
                                  • Jan 2003
                                  • 2989
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by BlueWire

                                  As for why a webmaster would want 1500...There has to be more to this story on one side or the other.

                                  The job is simple:
                                  http://www.freeporn.tv/outsourcers/
                                  the above url is to the template they need to use
                                  Do a review, resize 6 pics + 1 site screenshot and link some galleries
                                  $10 / review, 90 reviews per month, 2 hours / day max

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                                    • Pornwolf
                                      Drunk and Unruly
                                      • Jan 2002
                                      • 22712
                                      #10
                                      For what you want $600 should have been the max.
                                      I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                      Webair, bitches.

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                                        • AkiraSS
                                          Wemaxa.com
                                          • Jan 2003
                                          • 2989
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Pornwolf
                                          For what you want $600 should have been the max.

                                          Tell that to the "SIR" Jar Jar "JaJa" Binks Jr. people

                                          Mi sa Finds Pay Low, Mi sa needz moneys. Too much electricity for your work mi sa. Needs $15/review to pay bills, up the money mi sa and JaJa works then for you.

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                                            • madawgz
                                              8.8.8.8
                                              • Mar 2006
                                              • 30509
                                              #12
                                              why should they have to work for less money?
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                                                • jjjay
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                                                  • Jun 2005
                                                  • 1813
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by madawgz
                                                  why should they have to work for less money?
                                                  are you joking?

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                                                    • Dirty F
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                      • 59204
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by madawgz
                                                      why should they have to work for less money?

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                                                        • BlueWire
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                          • 4628
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by AkiraSS
                                                          The job is simple:
                                                          http://www.freeporn.tv/outsourcers/
                                                          the above url is to the template they need to use
                                                          Do a review, resize 6 pics + 1 site screenshot and link some galleries
                                                          $10 / review, 90 reviews per month, 2 hours / day max
                                                          I guess all I can say is that you'll pay a premium for contract work versus dedicated staff situation because filipinos are looking for stability above all. With that being said, i think its a fair offer

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                                                            • Manowar
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                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                              • 71528
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by madawgz
                                                              why should they have to work for less money?

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                                                                • u-Bob
                                                                  there's no $$$ in porn
                                                                  • Jul 2005
                                                                  • 33063
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by madawgz
                                                                  why should they have to work for less money?
                                                                  and you are from...?

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                                                                    • woj
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                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                      • 47880
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by jjjay
                                                                      are you joking?
                                                                      what he said may sound stupid, but it's not. If his service is worth $1500/month, why should he charge only $200/month just because he lives in a poor country. I'm sure he didn't pull $1500 out of his ass, he asked for $1500, because he was able to get similar amount for similar jobs he did in the past.
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                                                                        • jjjay
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                                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                                          • 1813
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by woj
                                                                          what he said may sound stupid, but it's not. If his service is worth $1500/month, why should he charge only $200/month just because he lives in a poor country. I'm sure he didn't pull $1500 out of his ass, he asked for $1500, because he was able to get similar amount for similar jobs he did in the past.
                                                                          it's called market forces.

                                                                          let's say I have $1,500 a month to spend on a designer

                                                                          do I spend it on someone in my own country, who's in the same time zone as me, who's easy to get hold of and who has english as his first language?

                                                                          or do I spend it on someone thousands of miles away, who's in a different timezone, isn't easy to get hold of by phone, doesn't have english as their first language, and I can't even really confirm their qualifications?

                                                                          money is being invested into third world countries because your money goes further. when it stops going further, it'll be invested locally instead

                                                                          if someone in a third world country thinks they can charge the same as someone just as good that's in my country, they can't really be surprised when I don't pick them for the job

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                                                                            • WarChild
                                                                              Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                              • Jan 2003
                                                                              • 17263
                                                                              #20
                                                                              I know of a native English Speaker, originally from Canada, but living in Costa Rica who would do that for the $10 each you're offering, and do a way better job than any philipino ever will. Added you to ICQ, let me know if you're interested.
                                                                              .

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                                                                                • woj
                                                                                  <&(©¿©)&>
                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                  • 47880
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by jjjay
                                                                                  it's called market forces.

                                                                                  let's say I have $1,500 a month to spend on a designer

                                                                                  do I spend it on someone in my own country, who's in the same time zone as me, who's easy to get hold of and who has english as his first language?

                                                                                  or do I spend it on someone thousands of miles away, who's in a different timezone, isn't easy to get hold of by phone, doesn't have english as their first language, and I can't even really confirm their qualifications?

                                                                                  money is being invested into third world countries because your money goes further. when it stops going further, it'll be invested locally instead

                                                                                  if someone in a third world country thinks they can charge the same as someone just as good that's in my country, they can't really be surprised when I don't pick them for the job
                                                                                  Yea, that's all true, but if he is able to charge $1500, why shouldn't he? If he doesn't get the job, maybe next time he will quote $1400, then $1300, untill he reaches a point where his price becomes fair. But now, the catch is, the guy that quoted him $1500 is probably not a cluless newb, he probably went through the price adjustment process already, and he already knows that $1500 is a fair price, after all he had many clients before that paid same or even more money for similar work.
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                                                                                    • jjjay
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                                                                                      • Jun 2005
                                                                                      • 1813
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by woj
                                                                                      Yea, that's all true, but if he is able to charge $1500, why shouldn't he? If he doesn't get the job, maybe next time he will quote $1400, then $1300, untill he reaches a point where his price becomes fair. But now, the catch is, the guy that quoted him $1500 is probably not a cluless newb, he probably went through the price adjustment process already, and he knows that $1500 is a fair price, after all he had many clients before that paid same or even more money for similar work.
                                                                                      he can of course charge as much or as little as he wants. whether he'd get any clients at that price is a different story

                                                                                      maybe he's so unique and skilled, and can make this clear to prospects that he's able to get clients at that price

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                                                                                        • cams2chat
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                                                          • 288
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by jjjay
                                                                                          he can of course charge as much or as little as he wants. whether he'd get any clients at that price is a different story

                                                                                          maybe he's so unique and skilled, and can make this clear to prospects that he's able to get clients at that price
                                                                                          I doubt he will. Just about every Filipino designer wants to outsource. They see what Iwebmasters and similar charge and want to charge similar and think they are worth it. Problem with Filipino outsourcing in the home environment is its often not the best place to get work done.

                                                                                          If you find someone pay him well and look after him....but be prepared for a 90% failure rate....or higher.
                                                                                          Last edited by cams2chat; 03-28-2006, 12:05 PM.

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                                                                                            • basschick
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                                                                                              • Jan 2001
                                                                                              • 2540
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              i would charge $4500 for that per month so $1500 doesn't seem unreasonable for someone with enough knowledge of porn sites to do it at all.

                                                                                              btw, if your reviewers are going through the sites they review in 30 minutes, they must not be checking more than 1 video per site. that will mean less bookmarkers when the guys read your review, join the site and then discover that out of the 80 videos, only 5 are the high quality the reviewer reported.
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                                                                                                • RazorSharpe
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                                                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                                                  • 2238
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  what's the url to that filipino site where you can look for people with the skillsets you require? I registered at it years ago but for the life of me, can't remember the URL or the name of the site.

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                                                                                                    • chadglni
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                                                                                                      • Dec 2002
                                                                                                      • 6924
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      The basic prices for everything will be coming to a medium in the next few years. This internet thingy is still new and there have never been such massive amounts of people with a chance at making more money than they would get locally. The smart designers that outsource aren't going to hire themselves out at $300 a month simply because that's what they can get a job there for. You know damn well they can get $300 for a job that takes a couple of days and is still priced well under US prices. As more of them catch on expect prices to increase across the board.


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                                                                                                        • aico
                                                                                                          Moo Moo Cow
                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                          • 14748
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by woj
                                                                                                          what he said may sound stupid, but it's not. If his service is worth $1500/month, why should he charge only $200/month just because he lives in a poor country. I'm sure he didn't pull $1500 out of his ass, he asked for $1500, because he was able to get similar amount for similar jobs he did in the past.
                                                                                                          I would think that wages in any country are based on cost of living... cost of living is lower in Phi, so wages are lower.

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                                                                                                            • writersworld8
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                                                                                                              • Mar 2006
                                                                                                              • 432
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by aico
                                                                                                              I would think that wages in any country are based on cost of living... cost of living is lower in Phi, so wages are lower.

                                                                                                              not really..

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                                                                                                                • Theo
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                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                  • 34515
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  me sir do totally work for 257 usd but sad met with an accident and have to relax now.

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                                                                                                                    • juve20
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                                                                                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                      • 2542
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      yeah, outsourcing isn't as cheap as it sounds!

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                                                                                                                        • everestcash
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                                                                                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                          • 2194
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          that's a little over the top, but then wages have to go up to be on par with inflation and cost of living, so don't get too surprised.

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                                                                                                                            • Raven
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                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                              • 6874
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by basschick
                                                                                                                              i would charge $4500 for that per month so $1500 doesn't seem unreasonable for someone with enough knowledge of porn sites to do it at all.

                                                                                                                              btw, if your reviewers are going through the sites they review in 30 minutes, they must not be checking more than 1 video per site. that will mean less bookmarkers when the guys read your review, join the site and then discover that out of the 80 videos, only 5 are the high quality the reviewer reported.
                                                                                                                              Very refreshing, basschick...and oh so true.
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                                                                                                                                • ed146
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • May 2005
                                                                                                                                  • 283
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by BlueWire
                                                                                                                                  If you go through the correct hoops you should save about 40-60% by using dedicated staff overseas.

                                                                                                                                  If you are hiring a company that has offshore staff however, then you may not save anything as its all about their talent, skills, and service.

                                                                                                                                  If you hire directly to workers (which is generally not the best idea) a 2k/mo american in an office setting would be about 400-500/mo in philippines.


                                                                                                                                  I think where the foul up occurs in outsourcing is:

                                                                                                                                  1) People dont realize that they need additional management in place because their staff is 5k miles away.

                                                                                                                                  2) Many people dont have accurate knowledge about what a single designer or programmer should be able to do. In my visit to iWeb last week the most common reason for people dropping employees is because they cant design AND program well. For anyone that has had enough time in that field, its common knowledge that they are 2 completely different types of people. Also, I think there is some price lack of knowledge. a TRUE level 4 programmer in america should be as much as some lawyers. So a company like iWeb charging 4k or whatever is a great savings.


                                                                                                                                  As for why a webmaster would want 1500...There has to be more to this story on one side or the other.
                                                                                                                                  Enlightenme on this level 4 programmer. What is their qualification and what do they do?

                                                                                                                                  Thanks!!
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                                                                                                                                    • Wordsforhire
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                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2006
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      The cost of living is as you say a lot less but the work they do is just the same as someone over here is it not?

                                                                                                                                      I know I wouldnt be doing that for $10 but hey thats just me, if they are good quality, can actually speak english and can write then there is no reason to pay them less.

                                                                                                                                      I understand what you mean if they talk like shit and of course their writing will reflect it. But if they are your average joe from a well spoken counry living over there doing the same work then the pay should be the same. The pay should reflect quality not country. Just my two cents
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                                                                                                                                        • Major (Tom)
                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 32492
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          well the have a new expense now.. paying off government thuggs.... they werent counting on that 2 years ago.

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                                                                                                                                            • Yngwie
                                                                                                                                              I am an Alien from space
                                                                                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 11118
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              hell, I'd do that for an extra $900/month.. Would just be extra to do in the time I have available and I'm not from overseas lol
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                                                                                                                                                • Raven
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 6874
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Wordsforhire
                                                                                                                                                  The cost of living is as you say a lot less but the work they do is just the same as someone over here is it not?

                                                                                                                                                  I know I wouldnt be doing that for $10 but hey thats just me, if they are good quality, can actually speak english and can write then there is no reason to pay them less.

                                                                                                                                                  I understand what you mean if they talk like shit and of course their writing will reflect it. But if they are your average joe from a well spoken counry living over there doing the same work then the pay should be the same. The pay should reflect quality not country. Just my two cents
                                                                                                                                                  Amen to that. Ten dollars per review is ludicrous, especially when you consider the amount of time it takes to produce a well written quality review.

                                                                                                                                                  Regardless of what the cost of living is in a said country.....you do get what you pay for.....I've read some of the review sites and I can always tell whether it's just bulk off the wall writing...
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                                                                                                                                                    • Furious_Male
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                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                      • 16884
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      A good reviewer wouldn't touch that for $10 a review. You get what you pay for. I review sites in my spare time and get compensated much better then that and I don't have to resize images, link to FHGs etc. I focus my energy on taking a close look at the site and writing a good review.

                                                                                                                                                      A decent review (looking at a large cross section of movies, galleries, additional features etc.) takes between 1-2 hours if done correctly. If someone could do that in 20 minutes I would be really impressed.
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                                                                                                                                                        • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 40377
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Wordsforhire
                                                                                                                                                          The cost of living is as you say a lot less but the work they do is just the same as someone over here is it not?

                                                                                                                                                          I know I wouldnt be doing that for $10 but hey thats just me, if they are good quality, can actually speak english and can write then there is no reason to pay them less.

                                                                                                                                                          I understand what you mean if they talk like shit and of course their writing will reflect it. But if they are your average joe from a well spoken counry living over there doing the same work then the pay should be the same. The pay should reflect quality not country. Just my two cents
                                                                                                                                                          lol

                                                                                                                                                          the whole point of outsourcing is getting things done significantly cheaper

                                                                                                                                                          they should be happy to get any work so that their can feed their families ;)

                                                                                                                                                          if i wasnt an independent webmaster, then - living in Poland - i'd also be happy with $1k per month or so

                                                                                                                                                          in Philipines they should be happy with $500 per month
                                                                                                                                                          if they want more and are smart enough - they can work on their own, doing the search engines, galleries etc
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                                                                                                                                                            • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                              • 40377
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              well actually if they get clients paying them more, thats good for them

                                                                                                                                                              but im quite sure, you can still find someone with not the worst skills, who would be happy working for you 8 hours daily for $500 per month
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                                                                                                                                                                • polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                  • 40377
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Furious_Male
                                                                                                                                                                  A good reviewer wouldn't touch that for $10 a review. You get what you pay for. I review sites in my spare time and get compensated much better then that and I don't have to resize images, link to FHGs etc. I focus my energy on taking a close look at the site and writing a good review.

                                                                                                                                                                  A decent review (looking at a large cross section of movies, galleries, additional features etc.) takes between 1-2 hours if done correctly. If someone could do that in 20 minutes I would be really impressed.
                                                                                                                                                                  hey Furious, but don't you see whats the average salary there?

                                                                                                                                                                  even if a good review takes 2 hours, then working 8 hours daily, they would earn $40 if they were paid $10 per review

                                                                                                                                                                  thats $1200 per month, probably 4 times more than a doctor makes in Philipines
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Furious_Male
                                                                                                                                                                      Doing the grind since 99
                                                                                                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 16884
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                                                                                                                                                                      hey Furious, but don't you see whats the average salary there?

                                                                                                                                                                      even if a good review takes 2 hours, then working 8 hours daily, they would earn $40 if they were paid $10 per review

                                                                                                                                                                      thats $1200 per month, probably 4 times more than a doctor makes in Philipines
                                                                                                                                                                      Oh I understand the principle of outsourcing. In this case they would have to work 7 days a week or really push it at 6 days a week to hit the 90/monthly review mark. I don't know the exact average salaries in that area but if what you are saying is true you do have a valid point.

                                                                                                                                                                      Perhaps they are getting smarter and are slowly raising the pay scale bar though.
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