Oh How I Love Google Sitemaps!!! *COUGH*

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  • Kevsh
    Confirmed User
    • Dec 2004
    • 8619

    #1

    Oh How I Love Google Sitemaps!!! *COUGH*

    If anyone has gone through this please let me know - I've heard it happening to others but never thought it would to me... (ignorance and bliss)

    Created a nice, clean Google Sitemap XML file in hopes of getting the rest of my pages indexed, and about a week later Google has de-indexed all but 3 pages on my site.

    Anyone who has had this happen, what did you do to get pages back in? Remove the sitemap file? Sending an email to Google? Pray?

  • SuckOnThis
    So Fucking Banned
    • Oct 2003
    • 6844

    #2
    Originally posted by Kevsh
    If anyone has gone through this please let me know - I've heard it happening to others but never thought it would to me... (ignorance and bliss)

    Created a nice, clean Google Sitemap XML file in hopes of getting the rest of my pages indexed, and about a week later Google has de-indexed all but 3 pages on my site.

    Anyone who has had this happen, what did you do to get pages back in? Remove the sitemap file? Sending an email to Google? Pray?


    Maybe you did something wrong. I got over 6000 pages indexed using Sitemap.

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    • u-Bob
      there's no $$$ in porn
      • Jul 2005
      • 33063

      #3
      google's fucked up, live with it

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      • Manowar
        jellyfish  
        • Dec 2003
        • 71528

        #4
        google is smoking crack recently

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        • Juilan
          Sultan of Swing
          • Feb 2004
          • 15141

          #5
          google is a harsh mistress
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          • TheSenator
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Feb 2003
            • 13330

            #6
            Start all over.
            ISeekGirls.com since 2005

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            • Kevsh
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2004
              • 8619

              #7
              Great advice guys!!!

              Maybe I should re-pose the issue/question:

              1) I have sites using the same format and they are indexed fine
              2) The sitemap is fine

              Question: Has anyone used Google Sitemaps, had most (or a lot) of their pages de-indexed, and managed to get it fixed? If so, how did you do it?

              The Google Sitemaps forum is full of conjecture or non-helpful observations -- things like "maybe you did something wrong?"

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              • nexcom28
                So Fucking Banned
                • Jan 2005
                • 3716

                #8
                Just give up..

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                • Damian_Maxcash
                  So Fucking Banned
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 12745

                  #9
                  I had a similar thing happen - the problem is you cant be 100% sure its because of the map.

                  It happened to me with a large splog - I removed the map - put some links on high PR sites and was relisted in a few days - but again, I cant be sure it was the map.

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                  • Kevsh
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 8619

                    #10
                    Originally posted by nexcom28
                    Just give up..
                    Insightful ... could you expand on your answer?

                    Originally posted by damian2001
                    I had a similar thing happen - the problem is you cant be 100% sure its because of the map.

                    It happened to me with a large splog - I removed the map - put some links on high PR sites and was relisted in a few days - but again, I cant be sure it was the map.
                    Thanks for the input, I'm going to try a different format for the map and see if that helps. If not, I'll pull it entirely for at least a week or two and see if anything happens.

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                    • RawAlex
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 9465

                      #11
                      Google is currently moving to a new software structure (called big daddy) and it has some issues with moving pages to supplimental status. They are playing with the slider control on it and attempting to make it right.

                      I will say though if too much of your pages are similar, that might be enough to get you dropped down with the new system.

                      Alex

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                      • gerila785
                        Registered User
                        • Mar 2006
                        • 11

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Manowar
                        google is smoking crack recently

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                        • Nasty
                          Confirmed User
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 1575

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Kevsh
                          If anyone has gone through this please let me know - I've heard it happening to others but never thought it would to me... (ignorance and bliss)

                          Created a nice, clean Google Sitemap XML file in hopes of getting the rest of my pages indexed, and about a week later Google has de-indexed all but 3 pages on my site.

                          Anyone who has had this happen, what did you do to get pages back in? Remove the sitemap file? Sending an email to Google? Pray?

                          Not much info to go on but I would guess the similar content filter, I have never noticed any good or bad effects from using sitemaps as far as actual traffic or quality of traffic goes

                          http://www.webconfs.com/similar-page-checker.php

                          “Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war than we know about peace, more about killing than we know about living. If we continue to develop our technology without wisdom or prudence, our servant may prove to be our executioner.” ― Omar Bradley (1948)

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                          • Kevsh
                            Confirmed User
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 8619

                            #14
                            Google Sitemaps: A Little Bit of 411 For All

                            Here is a few tips and observations regarding Google Sitemaps. If you don't know, or haven't heard about it, I'd highly recommend getting up to speed.
                            (Btw, this is not the same as having a sitemap.html page on your site!)

                            After a lot of investigating, testing, frustration and some success, I've come up with a few things to point out, feel free to dispute, add, etc.:

                            1) Sitemaps, when done properly, is a great tool when it comes to indexing your site. It doesn't guarantee anything in terms of rankings, but you can more quickly get sub-pages indexed and have far more control in terms of what appears in Google's index.

                            2) Use the recommended Sitemap method Google suggests. That is, build the sitemap with the Python script they provide. Then ping them every time you update it. (There's full details in the Google Sitemaps FAQ). From my experience, the other options are far less likely to help, and may actually hurt you. (I know)

                            3) This from a Google engineer I talked to in New Orleans last year: Your robots.txt will override the Sitemap file you register if there are any conflicting details (e.g. your robots.txt file says to disallow access to a page which appears in your sitemap file - it won't include it)

                            4) The Google sitemap Control Panel is very useful for much more than monitoring your sitemap. It verifies your robots.txt file, provides a simple place to see links to your site, indexed pages, etc. and if you verify there is a wealth of details available.

                            5) Big thing to note about the Robots.txt file (also if you find out you cannot Verify your site with the file they provide). If you are using an ErrorDocument directive in your .htaccess for 404s - redirecting to another page, something most of us do - there's a fair chance Google isn't reading your robots.txt file properly. This will also prevent Google from verifying your site if you try it.

                            Use the Sitemap Control Panel to see if Google is fetching your Robots.txt. Just because your logs say Googlebot is reading it, doesn't mean it is. If you see a "file not found" in the Sitemaps for your robots.txt it's a good bet that is why. Solution? Remove the ErrorDocument directive - but, of course, for many of us that's not a fair trade-off.

                            6) There will be some overhead in terms of time, but if you don't update your site daily it won't be a big chore. A programmer or admin can set up a cron job on your server to automatically build the sitemap file whenever the site is updated (pages added, deleted, etc.) With a little coding you can make this work very well. If you do it manually, using the Python script, it should only be a minor inconvenience.

                            If anyone wants to discuss, get some advice (i'm no guru, but if I can't help directly, I can offer at least some places to get help) or tips on getting started, feel free to hit me up. ICQ 312104564

                            I'll also be in Phoenix. You'll see me at the poker tables getting trounced and probably wearing a red "Canada" hat. Hey, I'm a homer. In any event, if anyone wants to discuss, I'd love to.

                            Lastly, before doing *anything* thoroughly go through the Sitemaps FAQ or get a techie to. You don't want to screw things up - though any reasonable mistake can be corrected, it will just be a pain until it is.

                            Good luck

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                            • green-apple
                              Confirmed User
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 283

                              #15
                              just lol
                              y0 y0 y0

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                              • Stallion
                                Confirmed User
                                • Jan 2001
                                • 6632

                                #16
                                gotta love google
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                                • Marshal
                                  Biz Dev and SEO
                                  • Jun 2005
                                  • 15227

                                  #17
                                  maybe you would like to try http://validator.w3.org ...
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                                  • Kevsh
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Dec 2004
                                    • 8619

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by nettrust
                                    maybe you would like to try http://validator.w3.org ...
                                    Yes, it's typically not that the XML file is invalid, it's just not in a format Google likes. Despite their claims that you can use alternative formats for your SiteMap file (including a flat text file), DON'T! Use the Python script to generate a proper config.xml file - it can be a bit tricky setting it up right, but once you do it's a breeze.

                                    Once I did this correctly my pages started getting re-indexed, slowly but surely. And no problems - yet.

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