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SEO questions : Gateway pages and robots.txt

03-24-2006, 09:41 AM

ok, here we go.

what is exactly is a gateway page? can you post and example for me? and how can i basically capitalize on them?

will robots.txt help my page get spidered or is it a means to just block certain spiders?

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03-24-2006, 09:42 AM

a gateway page is a page with tons of text that the search engines will pick up gladly, and emphasis on specific keywords.
You make a ton of them, with different keywords, diff. bgcolor, and a few diff. details, but it is basically the same page, and then you send them out there, to be picked up by the spiders.
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03-24-2006, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by czarina

a gateway page is a page with tons of text that the search engines will pick up gladly, and emphasis on specific keywords.
You make a ton of them, with different keywords, diff. bgcolor, and a few diff. details, but it is basically the same page, and then you send them out there, to be picked up by the spiders.

interesting...

now i have another question, should i create multiple gateway pages on the same main domain that i am trying to get spidered, or use multiple domains and multiple gateway pages pointing to the main domain

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03-24-2006, 10:12 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt
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03-24-2006, 10:20 AM

Be careful with doorway pages. When you start building too many, it will look like SE spamming and you'll get banned. A few doorway pages are a good idea, especially for sites that don't have a narrow focus, but you don't want to be building hundreds of them.

For doorway pages to be effective they should be on the same domain as the page they are pointing to.

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03-24-2006, 10:24 AM

Doorway pages are always a bad idea, no matter how big or small your website is.
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03-24-2006, 10:32 AM

Originally posted by ssp

Doorway pages are always a bad idea, no matter how big or small your website is.

I don't agree with that. For example, many pay site tours are beautiful to look at and convert well, but have no chance of getting SE traffic because the text on the pages is primarily graphical. If they want SE traffic, they're going to have to build freesites and other feeder sites and all of those can be called doorway pages. Building hundreds of doorway pages or using cloaking will get you banned if they are all obviously created strictly to do well in the serps, but if you use a little creativity and put some actual content on the page along with the text, you won't have any problems.

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03-24-2006, 10:35 AM

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03-24-2006, 10:49 AM

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03-24-2006, 10:54 AM

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03-24-2006, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by MrIzzz

interesting...

now i have another question, should i create multiple gateway pages on the same main domain that i am trying to get spidered, or use multiple domains and multiple gateway pages pointing to the main domain

You want to have multiple pages on other domains pointing to the target . . . . but make sure they are on their own Class C or it is all for naught.
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03-24-2006, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by ssp

Doorway pages are always a bad idea, no matter how big or small your website is.

Why is that?
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03-24-2006, 10:58 AM

be careful with them. like baddog said about the multiple calss c or know the thresholds on getting nailed. alot of factors in it. icq me if you wanna rap out.
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03-24-2006, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by The Hammer

I don't agree with that. For example, many pay site tours are beautiful to look at and convert well, but have no chance of getting SE traffic because the text on the pages is primarily graphical. If they want SE traffic, they're going to have to build freesites and other feeder sites and all of those can be called doorway pages. Building hundreds of doorway pages or using cloaking will get you banned if they are all obviously created strictly to do well in the serps, but if you use a little creativity and put some actual content on the page along with the text, you won't have any problems.

what he said too.
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03-24-2006, 12:49 PM

you need them in both, your own domain and other domains out there. A good way to make them, is to grab different templates and make "articles" about your site.
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03-24-2006, 12:57 PM

Originally posted by The Hammer

I don't agree with that. For example, many pay site tours are beautiful to look at and convert well, but have no chance of getting SE traffic because the text on the pages is primarily graphical. If they want SE traffic, they're going to have to build freesites and other feeder sites and all of those can be called doorway pages. Building hundreds of doorway pages or using cloaking will get you banned if they are all obviously created strictly to do well in the serps, but if you use a little creativity and put some actual content on the page along with the text, you won't have any problems.

Why not just set up a blog then?
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03-24-2006, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by ssp

Doorway pages are always a bad idea, no matter how big or small your website is.

not if it's a disposible domain, and get you decent traffic fast. usually won't last that long though
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03-24-2006, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by A1R3K

be careful with them. like baddog said about the multiple calss c or know the thresholds on getting nailed. alot of factors in it. icq me if you wanna rap out.

with doorway pages, class c's are the least of your worries. the fact that most doorway pages are obviously doorway pages is the biggest issue - the engines find and ban them fast in my experience
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03-24-2006, 01:37 PM

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03-24-2006, 03:05 PM

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03-24-2006, 03:08 PM

Originally posted by baddog

You want to have multiple pages on other domains pointing to the target . . . . but make sure they are on their own Class C or it is all for naught.

I wouldn't say its totally for nothing... sure it will diminish the link value but it wont make it all together worthless. You just have to make sure that the domains pointing to the eventual target dont have the same content - or content too closely related if theyre on the same class C.
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03-24-2006, 03:10 PM

Gateway/doorway pages are never a good idea *unless* you know what you are doing. If you take the jump, I'd highly recommend doing it on throw-away domains on free hosts or at least not an IP range/host that's important (i.e. don't try it on a site hosted on the same box/IP address as your important sites!)

Robots.txt won't help you get indexed, it's simply used to limit access by specific SE robots and what pages they can/cannot access. Unless you have pages you don't want indexed or robots you don't want crawling, you don't need it.
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03-24-2006, 03:22 PM

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03-24-2006, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by dissipate

I wouldn't say its totally for nothing... sure it will diminish the link value but it wont make it all together worthless. You just have to make sure that the domains pointing to the eventual target dont have the same content - or content too closely related if theyre on the same class C.

If you have 10 sites, of different themes, pointing to one domain all on the same Class C you are going to be subjected to the same host crowding penalty as if they were all the same theme.
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03-24-2006, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by baddog

If you have 10 sites, of different themes, pointing to one domain all on the same Class C you are going to be subjected to the same host crowding penalty as if they were all the same theme.

I'm starting to think Google notices if the domains are registered to the same person as well. Is this likely?

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03-24-2006, 05:22 PM

is class c the same as IP's?

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I'm starting to think Google notices if the domains are registered to the same person as well. Is this likely?

^^ plus id like to know this as well? never heard of it
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03-24-2006, 05:34 PM

Originally posted by Dagwolf

I'm starting to think Google notices if the domains are registered to the same person as well. Is this likely?

Dagwolf - its very likely as about 2 years ago Google applied for - and was approved for - registrar status. The purpose behind this originally was published as they were getting into the domain sales game similar to what Yahoo does - some insiders also hinted that since being a registrar allows Google to run scripts against the whois database - and with a little investigation and testing you will find that they definitely do check that.

In answer to the doorway pages question - it really depends on how you do it - there are ways to do it that havent been mentioned here that, while not looking like conventional text stuffed pages, have the same effect and can be on the main domain and work extremely well. Hit me up if ya need examples.
If you stay with conventional doorway page approaches - and do them on the main domain, there is a "small" possibility that the SEs might find it.
On putting them on other domains pointing to the main domain - I would worry more about the canconical error problems Google is having right now which would keep me from doing it - but then, some people are not seeing the problem with small attempts. My personal experience has been for larger sites Google is splitting the pages in an unreasonable way which has a larger effect than the benefit of the extra search terms

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03-24-2006, 05:36 PM

Originally posted by nico-t

is class c the same as IP's?

^^ plus id like to know this as well? never heard of it

Maybe i'm being paranoid. I've never heard it either, but I have heard that the domain expiry date can have an impact.

The reason being that cheaters rarely register a domain for more than one year at a time. If the SE's are checking WHOIS info why not compare other registration info besides the dates?... This could cause problems for people whose domains are held by proxy, though.

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03-24-2006, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Dagwolf

I'm starting to think Google notices if the domains are registered to the same person as well. Is this likely?

Why do you think Google became a registrar... You don't see them selling domains, and they're notorious for playing around with large databases, like the WHOIS dbase for example. I'm sure they're doing some interesting things with this data...

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