Whorean => Heads up

It just redirected to http://www.schoolporn.net/david.shtml from here. Hmmm... Lolita's aboundin'...

sorry guys.. i made tgsw post the incorrect URL ...

so its leading you guys to a html that dont exsist.. that lolita thing is thunderfree's 404.

since its lolita crap.. i guess you guys are gonna be banning thunderfree's freehsot to your tgp?

lol

2 things really piss me off about that lolita schoolgirl page --

Aside from the fact that it's lolita shit, the first thing that get's me is the practise of making dialer downloads seem like mpg movie clips. NOt everyone will catch the "exe" as opposed to "mpg" extension difference. And for any that wants to download a movie to be then charged 7 or 8 bucks a minute is criminal.

The other thing is, when you close that page you get "popup hell", including pages that hide the "Xclose" button. Fuck, what a fucked up idea that was for some idiot webmaster to invent. "Gee, let's screw the surfer some more by hiding the close button" (duhhhhh) The fix: press ctrl + W and the window will be NUKED good.

Oh, but then there are multiple pages with VERY annoying alert boxes popping, and ctrl+W doesn't work until you click "Close" or "no" on each alert box.

Whoever makes pages like that is just fucking us all, really. Then again, maybe not. Once the surfer hits my sites, for example, I'm sure I hear big huge sighs of relief at not having to fight tooth-and-nail to get where they want to go.

The schoolporn theme is pretty low, but I didn't actually see any of what I would be sure was CP on that page, so I'll reserve judgement for now. Any other opinions?
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Well CDSmith I typed a long answer for you, but I typed my password wrong and when a pressed back, the message was gone...

Why does my password not stay in the password box!?

Damn I hate when that happens.


Try and remember what you typed, and try it again is all you can do, or.... not.
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Okey CDSmith I will remember, but your not going to like it, and it´s not going to be that long now.

I hide my dialers so they look like movies too. Why? because then the surfer downloads it, but do I fool them? no not really, because I type that the movie is, 7 mb big, and that don´t take 1 sec to download! but now they have the exe on the computer and they test it, and if I´m lucky they will connect to. (my dialer charge 1.5 dollar I think, its not 5 or 7, because that sick!)

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I can live with the "word" lolita. I think it's low and is OBVIOUSLY mean to entice and turn on the pedophiles. Who else would follow such a link and by using the word lolita you are basically feeding the pedophiles desires whether you actually have kiddie pics or not. I don't use it myself nor do I knowingly link to sites that use it.

I don't list galleries that use Club17 as a sponsor. Where I live, 17 is NOT legal and therefore IS childporn. Club17 is a featured sponsor on that page.

Secondly, I don't mind freehosts popping a 404 page and maybe even one console. BUT... when it redirects directly to another tgp and then initiates popup hell, ESPECIALLY those little consoles any ordinary person can not close, that's going to far....

Yes, Thunder Free Host is not accepted at my tgp anymore. Save the circle jerk 404's for the circle jerk sites. Pretty soon that's the only people that will accept that freehost when they act like a cj site themselves.

Later,
RD

I think the word lolita is not so bad, but when it is whit a pix of a teen, that don't have brest, and are shaved, then I think it´s wrong.

Hmm don´t know about the 17 year thing. hmm in sweden you can have sex when you are 15 but I don´t know if you can be a nude model.

You seem to be fooling yourself.

Well I mean, do I fool them to connect... I don´t feel that I do that...

That 404 page of Thunders also has a whole category of Animal sex..??? Makes me wonder
what hes thinking???

Ask thehun what he is thinking with his animal sex galleries.....


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Ask thehun what he is thinking with his animal sex galleries.....

Well, for one thing, the hun may be one of the biggest in the industry, but he alone doesn't set the standards here. The hun is in Denmark where it is acceptable to depict sex between humans and animals. Btw, I don't thing they are "his" animal sex galleries, he is only posting them.

The point was, I think, that the webmaster of thunderfree is from Canada, where we fucking FROWN big time on animal sex shit. I post to the hun to draw that portion of his traffic that is interested in what I have to offer, which usually is amateurs, legal teens, erotic stories and some fetish stuff.

And no, I think that masking a dialer as a movie download is getting pretty low. This is why I don't promote dialers, the BS that goes on just fucking sucks. What's wrong with just putting up an FPA and then offer the surfer an alternative choice to enter with no credit card? That way at least they know they will have to pay somehow, right? Why fuck them like that? And the use of the word "lolita" is just wrong, for the reasons stated by someone else here. The only people skulking the net for lolita links are pedophiles period.

And before anyone jumps on me for that last bit about dialers, stop and admit to yourself that this practise IS screwing your surfers, no denying it. If you do, you're just fooling yourself and no one else.
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Just so that it is clear, that page belongs to Dr. Dre, not the freehost. The freehost is "selling" his 404 traffic to Dr Dre. That is why you go directly to that page. Even though it is not the freehosts, it does reflect badly on the freehost because the 404 goes directly to another domain instead of a 404.their-freehost.com.

I really thought it was whoreans who was redirecting the traffic until I started to dig into it. Normally I don't dig, I just blacklist and move on.

A lot of sponsors won't pay you if you use the words lolita or beastiality. Hopefully no sponsors will decide not to pay whoreans thinking he has something to do with this if they just take it at first glance and not research. Even researching could be futile if the exit traffic is being sold somewhere else later and you could not prove that it was your freehost and not you redirecting to that stuff.

Just things worth considering. You might also want to check your bookmarks, I read on another board that there might be some autobookmarking going on there as well. I had my active x off and not on prompt and I didn't bother going through the code myself.

RD

Rockdaddy --

Thanks for taking the time to point that out. I'm sure a lot of folks (including myself) wouldn't have picked up on most of that.

Very interesting things to watch out for when freehosting.
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bah! stop moralising and make some cash!!!
As you have probably noticed - lolita is a VERY common searchword. Therefore it's the best term for CJ sites - who have cottoned on to this for quite some time.

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If you don't have any, good luck to you.

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uhm, the hun is from the netherlands...

Soul Rebel is right. In some countries, it is legal to fuck a 14 year old. In others, it is 16 and some 18. In some countries, gay sex, lesbian sex and anal sex is still illegal. And some people argue over the fact that it is absoultely and definately illegal to have sex with a 17 year old 1 day before their birthday, and that 24 hours is not much out of day is not a lot out of more than 157680 hours. So it's legal for a person of 157680 hours of age to have sex, but not a person of 157656 hours.

In the UK it is perfectly legal to have sex at age 16 upwards. For example, a 20 year old man can fuck a 16 year old girl, it is both 100% legal and accepted. Nobody cares, nobody gives a shit. I have never, but I'm fine with that, I've lived in the UK all my life and that is what the UK dictates. But in the USA, at 16 and even 17, that's when the handguns and baseball bats come out, and people start to get their heads beaten in. So.... who is right?

Again, Soul Rebel is right.

But when it comes to these fucks on the net, where there is "child art", then that is just wrong. Afterall, if it isn't pornography ... why is it advertised on porn sites? Simple: because we KNOW that it is pornography. CD Players for example are not pornography, but I don't sell them on my adult sites. With the exception of things like viagra, penis enlargemnt etc the only thing that can be sold to a horny guy with a dick in his hand, is MORE PORN!

Um, yes, I stand corrected on the hun's location. (was I that far off? sheesh) Sorry for confusing 2 countries that could fit inside the province of Manitoba 20 times over (and we'd still have room left for Luxembourg)

In some countries, it is legal to fuck a 14 year old

Hmmm, yes, I'm aware of that. However, are some webmasters confusing this with what is right and accepted practise on the internet? I mean, it may be legal for a grown man to "fuck" a 14 yr-old in some countries, but that doesn't mean it is also legal to then post pictures on the net of said 14-yr-old having sex.

You guys know what? I could care less where I live and what the laws about this are, really. MY credo for doing business will remain the same no matter where I am, and that credo is this: If any of the participants (be it in softcore modelling, hardcore pics or xxx movies, whatever) are not able to make a mature and informed decision about their participation in the production of adult content, then they should NOT be used, period. This means ESPECIALLY anyone under the age of 18 (or in some areas 21), and animals.

In my opinion, to use animals or underage people in ADULT subject matter is taking advantage of the innocent, plain and simple, and it's absolutely dimented by nature. Anyone trying to argue around this (again, in my opinion) is simply rationalizing the issue, and fooling themselves. Again, I'll underline the fact that I don't give a flying rat-fart whether it's legal where anyone lives to do this-or-that. The bottom line is that it's wrong, and if your community or country isn't advanced enough to see that, at least we as webmasters can set the example in liu of the ignorance of our respective governments.

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Hmm in sweden you can´t have sex with animals, but you can have a site with animal porn pics...
Well that suxx!

Why should the age 18 be it just because the us have that? why not, 15, 16 or 17?
If USA says 21 then? should we change the whole fucking internet to the age 21 for nude models?

"If any of the participants (be it in softcore modelling, hardcore pics or xxx movies, whatever) are not able to make a mature and informed decision about their participation in the production of adult content, then they should NOT be used, period."

Good point. I was thinking along those lines myself, that adulthood should be based on a level of maturity. Though it would be impossible to measure - and I'd probably fail it straight away.

I really don't think that you need to bang your head against the wall in emphahsis with this, your opinions are quite clear to me. As for other webmasters, who knows?

The problem as I see it, is that those who believe in implication of minors in sexual situations, have views as strong as yourself. Where decent people like you and I believe that they are doing something completely immoral, they themselves believe just as strongly, that their practices are morally correct. Therefore in a situation such as this, it is impossible for either party to feel satisfied unless one of them "backs down" - and it is rare that anyone ever does.

Ahh, it's okay X-raid, you go ahead and bang that donkey of yours good and hard. what you do in the privacy of your own home is nobody's business, right?

Well, maybe the best way to get my point across is to get all webmasters to ask themselves this question: If you had (or if you have) a 15, 16 or 17 year old daughter, would you want her posing nude or having sex on the net? Would you? If the answer is no, then why is it okay to use someone else's daughter? If our stupid governments won't pass laws that protect our kids, at least we as individual adults can. One good way is to make sure that all your models are of adult legal age.

And who said anything about the US? I live in Canada, where the age of adult status is 18, and the legal drinking age is also 18, and in a few provinces it's 19. Sorry, there has to be a line somewhere, and for myself and my business I draw that line at 18. Fact is, the youngest model I've ever photographed thus far was 19, a rarity.

Just stop squirming and realize that the word "underage" means just that -- NOT of age of consent. I'm not talking about consent to have sex, that's entirely another matter. With respect to the internet and picture-posting, it means that underage people are not mature enough to make the informed decision to participate in adult content. What part of that is so unclear?
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I think when your 16 you can think for your self, I think us people think so too, damn you can drive if you 16 in usa...

Well I don´t think you can look it in that way: "17 year old daughter, would you want her posing nude or having sex on the net?"
Well if she was 25, I still don´t want her nude on the net!
But she is a kid in that age so I get your point.

I only use images of people that are over 18, because I don't want any trouble from any one. But if someone post a photo of a girl that's 17, I don't think that's wrong, if she wanted to.

And oh NO! I don´t like animalsex, thats sick. did the animal say it wanted to have sex, don´t think so...

[This message has been edited by X-raid (edited 08-04-2001).]

My opinion,

Ok, Normally "I" dont do this. This time I will and this is also, for the record, only my opinion.

As to the use of the word Lolita.
Their can be no doubt to anyone with an IQ over 85 that this IS without question Pedophile bait. Unfortunately in truth, you must see that it is also now, in this day and age, to young men and to most of us, also a word in description of plainly put, youthfulness. That said it is going to draw a venue of men/women and others that that seek just that, youth or the youthful (in our marketplace), sexual or psuedo-sexual partner.

Do I agree with its use as a means to bait a potential client/customer/dollar? Absolutely not.

Can I as a buisness person afford to not participate with or advertise with every TGP that uses it or promotes in any manner the use of the word? Absolutley not.
In a perfect world we could, each of us, pick and choose our own unique paradigm in which we surround ourselves. It is not a perfect world though now is it!

You must chose to tell yourself whatever you must on your pathway to the bank, but bottom line is one must ask themselves this also, I stress the word "Themselves" here, ok? The point is that what lines they will draw ethically and morally and what excuses they will make for each and any profiteering method they use is a choice they will have to live with on an individual basis.

My personal beliefs concerning a 14, 16 or even an 18 yr old model is that they are too young to make an informed decision as to what recourses they will face as a result of exposing themselves, their bodies, their personage and their youthful innocence, (and it IS innocence), to this venue.
This business is one of selfish indulgence into the baser instincts of human nature.

I choose, and I believe I may speak for Midnight as well, to screen out teen photos and content of any girls we believe are not of legal appearence in any way and we discard those according to our own personal guidelines. We also report any illegal, or suspected illicit, sites that we suspect of child abuse and we have tried to set firm personal guidelines to better help us, "Sleep at night".

It is not an industry of cake baking after all, now is it. It is porn. As in any business, the paradigm of "caveat emptor" applies. That does not mean we have to relax our personal standards due to the ignorances or demands of the online community.

As for assisting in manipulating the personal judgements and misuse of these girls/boys of young ages.
How many of us at 25, 35, 45 and older do not still have the occasional instance of lack of judgement.
I still meet people everyday at the age of 37, that I believe are of one caliber or that I believe hold one type of motivation in mind for an action, only to have to find out, for what ever reason, that I had a lapse in judgement or personal perception and that they had personal gain in mind for their actions. Im sure if one looks at themselves honestly that all of us do the same as well.
Abuse is wrong, we foster it wheather you admit or not. By saying to yourself I am only a portal it does not alter the bottom line, which is that you promote it if they reach through your making it available.
If you make a buck, If you promote a TGP or banner, If you or your sites in any manner assist use of the product you are as guilty as the source of origianl production.
The drug packers in brazil are still, bottom line guilty by association of providing drugs.
All of this talk is just splitting hairs for its own sake.
We do it, we are involved in it for profit, I'ts called the Porn Industry and you came here with eyes wide open.

Get over it or get out.
If we could make this money baking cookies, we all would be baking cookies instead.
I dont like it anymore than the rest when i look myself in the mirror or think of one of my daughters doing it or being manipulated into doing it, (modeling), but I am still here. The difference is that Im not making excuses to myself about what I do.

The goal is to make enough money longterm to have gotten in, gotten what I could to retire early in liesure and then get out.

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[This message has been edited by kandi (edited 08-04-2001).]

The exit hell is an exit sponsor used by mostly all free hosts on their 404 pages (lightnign do or did use sell your exit) .

There is no CP . There are thousands of teens tgps like that on the net . Lolita-thumbs and the others are the biggest... Lolita is a very used word in teen tgps and it's 100 % accepted . I have big trades with most of the big guys .

For the movie thumbs, find me a site that promote a dialer that don't use movie thumbs !!!!! LOOOOOOOOL

Check that's not your buisness . Go to work and let me do mine .

This is the first complain I get in about 4 months .

Please don't get me into this one about sell your exit. Also why do you mention Lightning Free here?? this thread has absolutely nothing to do with me???

I Never have and never will link to any site that even remotely links to CP or Beastie crap. If a sponsor I use slides that in after I check out their consoles, well as soon as I catch it, I will drop them. As CD Smith has said in many of his posts (and a wise man he is) here, it's more of a moral issue then a legal one. As soon as one compromises their moral beliefs just to make a few pennies then, that person has lost my respect.


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[This message has been edited by Lightning (edited 08-04-2001).]

[This message has been edited by Lightning (edited 08-04-2001).]

morals are instilled by many institutions - familt, society, peer group etc.
I can remember, quite clearly, being slapped in the face by my grandmother for jokingly referring to abortion. Her morals dictated that this was a sin - a crime against God (she was a devout Catholic).

My beliefs and morals are quite different to hers and probably to quite a few others - who says who's morals are 'correct'? And who the fuck are they to judge? There are many things i disapprove of that the general population may believe are acceptable (eating in Rotten Ronnie's, watching the TV, driving the car for 50 yards to the shop)

The fact that 'lolita' is one of the most commonly searched for terms on the 'net points toward that the desire to look at teenage girls is quite high on the agenda of a large population of the internet using world male populus. So we shouldn't use them to make money? I won't miss a single minutes sleep for 'tricking' one of these poor, deprived (depraved?) surfers.

The bearshare community has suggested (and more than a few are implementing) to flood the net with 'lolita' terms and pictures - all false - they are renaming pictures of their house/cat/car 'lolita2.jpg' in an effort to make the search term completely useless.

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Bah lightning did you use sell your exit ? they complain about thunderfree cauz they use them but when you use it it's not a problem ... I don't want to start shit but well ...

As for moral etichs, I have mines ... I'm still used to do Cjing so I don't really care about my surfers . They will not stop to look for porn if they are trap in a pop hell ... lol . I have probably arround 50-60k bookmarkers at least on schoolporn . If not more . So I think I'm ok

... still LAUGHING MY ASS OFF @ X-Raid fucking his donkey !!!
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[This message has been edited by -=HUNGRYMAN=- (edited 08-04-2001).]

As for the Club 17 banners, they are not mine and I wouldn't use this sponsor . I started this site with diz long time ago and it grew very fast so I'm still on their host . That's their adevertising

Check out stop posting shit in few days lolita will be replaced by School Girls ... If you bitch after it, check thumbzilla and cen lol

As for the animals, I will remove them

happy now ? I still don't give a fuck anyway about what you all think but beast make me puke anyways and lolita vs schoolgirl won't change anything .

Dr Dre --

Hey, I have an idea on how you can make 10 times MORE dialer money! Why not change all those "alert" boxes on your popups so that the "no thanks" and "close" buttons actually connect to a dialer! See, that way when your surfers indicate that they "DON'T want to go see Britney Spears nekkid (or whatever you're offering them) you can connect them to you dialer and really REALLY screw them good.

Sounds good? Ya! Let's do it!
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Don?t forget the fictitious origin.
http://www.pathe-lolita.com/

Those that fantasise without a real desire to act out this fantasy are not paedophiles. Paedophiles require a little more than the staged act presented by sites like Club17 which by the way makes little reference to the word. And to the fool who says this site is illegal in his domain, I think not, maybe you should look beyond its fictitious story lines.

A recent and controversial TV programme shown on the UK Channel 4 summed up perfectly the kind of people that that run around wearing do good hats before first consulting the facts.
http://archive.nytimes.com/2001/08/0...pe/03LOND.html


All this energy wasted on easy insignificant targets when really it should be channelled into stopping the real child porn peddlers.

whats that noise?!

Soul, I can see that we are in agreement on many points, but still other points seem to have you singing a misguided tune. You still have some issues confused, here's my reply to some of your latest comments:

Concerning the photos i posted yesterday, it's sad to compare real life photos that came from real human pain with fake FX of some producer that sells them in order to profit from some people (sick or not) that like to sexually fantasies with dead bodies and gunshot wounds.

See? Right there your take on things are plainly bass-ackwards. WhY? Because I wasn't comparing the two, I was only pointing out that it seems that you consider depictions of REAL pain and suffering to be preferable to FANTASY violence. Also, you AGAIN fucking equate and confuse horrorific violent video and f/x scenes with something sick and twisted. What about all the people out there in the world who are fans of this type of horror media? My local video shop owner tells me that a full 40% of his total revenue comes from the renting of movies in his horror section. I know this because I rented literally dozens and dozens of movies from that section of his shop in order to find evidence that similar and worse content exists in Canadian films today, and believe me, I found LOT'S of it. The PSV productions contain no sexual activity, no intercourse, no touching, no nothing, so what's all the squawking about sexuality? Some Canadian films, and also US and European films distributed in Canada contain FAR more graphic scenes of violence against men AND women, many contain much more sexually explicit content than simple nudity, so what facts are you basing your comments on?

Although i believe that the main role of this site is to offer a service to sick people

Members of this site have included such "sick" people as numerous cops from USA and Europe, a number of lawyers, a polititian or two, ex-military personnel, a few doctors, teachers, and a ton of people from all over the world that have spent years and years in various professions and public services. Again, you really should ask before you make decisions about things you don't know about. Fact is, these people aren't sick, they simply have very healthy fantasy lives and imaginations. A person's fantasies should be their own, no?

i'm not against it and I'm not the own that will ask for censorship.

Well thank heavens for small miracles.

I prefer the existence of sites like lolita-teen.com, than of sexual fantasy violence. Or at least I don't find any big gap.

"Sexual" fantasy violence? Where did you see any sex on that site? AND, you are clearly saying here that you prefer lolita shit to fantasy horror-violence? Are you clueless? Lolita shit is REAL, ir really hurts children , and fantasy is FANTASY, it hurts no one. I think your preference is pretty sick, that is if you really meant it. And really, how the hell does fantasy video and role-playing among ADULTS come into a discussion about underage teens anway? What do the two have in common? Nothing. I find that people that equate the two are the sick ones, simply because they are confused about fantasy vs reality. They will gladly let their kids sit in front of the tv during the news or the show "cops" where they often show scenes of REAL violence, hatred, and disgusting human behaviour, yet they raise an eyebrow when there's a fantasy movie containing similar content done with special f/x. Hypocrisy abounds and astounds.

My last comment to you is, why did you go to the PSV site at all in the first place? Don't bother, I already know the answer to that one.
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You need a good long ride on aria my friend. (the boat, not the babe)
It will help you to gain perspective.

Although I don't much care for the use of the word "lolita" (neither does a lot of other webmasters, Nelvac of Thumbzilla comes to mind) that wasn't at all my point. I was actually talking about webmasters that don't care about the age or maturity of their models. I was trying to maybe wake a few people up, obviously I've had mixed success.

I also never said I have a personal interest in fantasy violence, I actually don't. I don't even much care for horror films in general, although there are a few exceptions. But simple nudity does not = sex, no way no how. And there are way too many movies already out there that contain violence & nudity together, many actually made for tv viewing. What exactly are you trying to say about me here? You STILL didn't answer my question as to why are are bringing my brother's site into a discussion about preteen shit. Soul, I don't NEED to check meta tags or anything about that site, it is an ADULT site so the tags and keywords are written to attract those interested in that subject matter, no more no less. You are still squirming around the issue. The fact that you can't refute is that the use of underage or preteen models for the sexual gratification of others is just fucking wrong, period. Anyone who argues otherwise needs a few hundred punk-slaps. And chirping away about my brother's site is absolutely stupid as well, as I've tried to explain to you.

I too give up. Have a nice sail, and thanks for helping me to pass a hot humid rainy Saturday.
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I'd take a good long ride on either !!



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