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Scammer and pirate alert for affiliates.

02-23-2008, 01:38 AM

Yes it's that serious.

If you're an affiliate of www.smokincash.com I would love to know what content you are using of theirs.

Because it's not licensed for affiliate use, the owners of the site do not own a license and I suspect affiliates are using unlicensed content.

So if you're and affiliate of www.smokincash.com be warned they may not own the content they are giving to you. Our content is all over their affiliates area.

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02-23-2008, 01:49 AM

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02-23-2008, 01:50 AM

Your that redtube guy everybody´s talkin bout?

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02-23-2008, 01:53 AM

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02-23-2008, 02:04 AM

Aren't you that broke content dude that just sold out to the tube sites?
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02-23-2008, 02:06 AM

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02-23-2008, 02:08 AM

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02-23-2008, 02:12 AM

double standards Paul? Good luck on the issue resolved.....I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you

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02-23-2008, 02:14 AM

strange old paul , and his 5usd link problems , that everyone cares a lot ....

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02-23-2008, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by marec

strange old paul , and his 5usd link problems , that everyone cares a lot ....

no sigspot time ....

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02-23-2008, 02:29 AM

Pornonada says he has sold the progarm with the content on to new owners, so this goes a bit deeper. He will not tell me the new owners name or give me content details.

Could phone CCBILL and see if it's been sold on. So if you're an affiliate of smokincash you might want to ask the owners if you should be using the content.

So nice to see peoples reaction to a guy stealing content.

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02-23-2008, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by marec

strange old paul , and his 5usd link problems , that everyone cares a lot ....

no sigspot time ....

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02-23-2008, 02:53 AM

The problem with this issue;

- A sponsor is stealing from you to give to their affiliates.
- You complain about people stealing from you but you promote your sites with affiliates that steal from other sponsors.

So it's equals itself out, don't you think so?

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02-23-2008, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Pornonada says he has sold the progarm with the content on to new owners, so this goes a bit deeper. He will not tell me the new owners name or give me content details.

Could phone CCBILL and see if it's been sold on. So if you're an affiliate of smokincash you might want to ask the owners if you should be using the content.

So nice to see peoples reaction to a guy stealing content.

I realy don't want to make a 30 minutes-read post so i will sum it up. I bought the smokincash affilate program some months ago, on the transfer ALL the members areas got lost due a bad hosting move. We had to restore the member areas and contact all content providers that have been used than back to do so.
When the previous owner contacted Paul to restore the content he refused, when my host contacted Paul he said we had to buy all the content again, about US$ 2200, when i contacted him he told me each time a different price for re-licensing the content. I admit that it was my vault that i thought that the content was licensed to the domains which it turned out it wasn't. So there is no doubt that it was my vault, even if not with bad intention that the issue even occured. However, when i personally tried to deal with Paul he requested that his affialte program had to be removed from the public shitlist on another forum, which was refused. We asked several times to provide me links where exactly he sees his content so we can remove it which didn't happen.
However, today he blackmailed me on ICQ and adx that if i don't pay 3 or 5 times the price for the content because it appeared it is used as well on the FHGs i bought with the program. I refused and asked another 100 times to tell me what his content is at all so i can remove it finally, which he again refused.

However, i admit that there is a license problem, no doubt, but it's not like we have gone into his site and ripped his content off, but bought a program that had no rights to transfer the content to the new owners, but ok, we admit that, but that doesn't mean automaticly that we can be blackmailed.

As we have no idea what on the tours and FHGs is his content we messaged removeyourcontent to clean up the sites from all Paul Markham Content and await his response as this would speed up the process.

That's it, everybody can now make his own decission if we are scammers and pirates....

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02-23-2008, 02:56 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

So nice to see peoples reaction to a guy stealing content.

Are you kidding or what? You are working with thieves and then you are bitching
about someone stealing your content. I really hope this is a gfy act cause if not
dude you really need to get a grasp on reality

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02-23-2008, 03:31 AM

paul. give up.please.

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02-23-2008, 03:39 AM

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02-23-2008, 03:44 AM

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02-23-2008, 03:45 AM

Oh my, keeps getting more and more interesting

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02-23-2008, 03:46 AM

Does paul want you to pay 2200$ for everything, just because it is moved to a new domain? And not used on that other domain right?

Sounds REALLY stupid. Jesus...

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02-23-2008, 03:52 AM

Paul it seerms that you are broke and grasping at straws lately to keep afloat?

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02-23-2008, 04:11 AM

no ... seems like paul wants 2200usd just because there is a owner change .... not domain change ....

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02-23-2008, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by Rockatansky

Does paul want you to pay 2200$ for everything, just because it is moved to a new domain? And not used on that other domain right?

Sounds REALLY stupid. Jesus...

NO, the content moved never to new domains, the content has not been moved to other domains. It's just like we bought the affialte program, we did not modify anything but due his license agreement, content can't be transfered to a new owner and here lies one of the problems as i thought it's licensed to the domain which it seems it isn't.
However, now we wants 5 times the full amount because with some of the content there have been made also FHGs which we got with the program.

I even can't check to which domains the content was excatly licensed because Paul never sent/signed the license to the previous owner of smokincash.

However, as said already, all i want is to remove absolutly everything we have from him, should be anyway only <1GB out of 150 GB content so anyway not that of kinda big deal for us because we lost the members area content anyway, only some pics on the tourpages have to be replaced and of course the FHGs must be replaced/removed which have his content on.

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02-23-2008, 04:18 AM

Originally posted by marec

no ... seems like paul wants 2200usd just because there is a owner change .... not domain change ....

same domain...

actualy he blackmailed me today with full price x 5, means ~11.000 US$ or he would post it across the boards as you can see.

I will list the sets I see and you will buy the sets you give the images to affiliates for their use at the affiliates price. 5 times the set price for FHG or 3 times the price for just giving the content to affiliates.

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02-23-2008, 04:24 AM

pornonada tell him to go fuck himself....what a loser he is.
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02-23-2008, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by pornonada

actualy he blackmailed me today with full price x 5, means ~11.000 US$ or he would post it across the boards as you can see.

That's really shitty.

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02-23-2008, 04:32 AM

What else you can except from person who is so evil(PM)With redtube case and other he just prove it
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02-23-2008, 04:34 AM

It does appear that his license is by domain (upto 10) He also says the content cannot be resold.

I think he'll use legal speak to say the content (according the the license) couldn't be resold with the domain when likely it was originally written to dissuade people from reselling the content without the licensed domain.

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02-23-2008, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by Theo The Theologian

It does appear that his license is by domain (upto 10) He also says the content cannot be resold.

I think he'll use legal speak to say the content (according the the license) couldn't be resold with the domain when likely it was originally written to dissuade people from reselling the content without the licensed domain.

yep, that's the problem, it's licensed to the domain and the one who bought originally the content and on the license agreement (which anyway wasn't ever sent and signed by PM) states that content can't be transfered or resold.

However, its my vault i didn't check better before i bought the program, but i didn't awaited such issues.
Doesn't matter at all as we will remove all PM content anyway asap, just wanted to show also my point of view, even if there are some mistakes on our end, it's not that we are pirates and scammers that steal content here and there

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02-23-2008, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by pornonada

yep, that's the problem, it's licensed to the domain and the one who bought originally the content and on the license agreement (which anyway wasn't ever sent and signed by PM) states that content can't be transfered or resold.

However, its my vault i didn't check better before i bought the program, but i didn't awaited such issues.
Doesn't matter at all as we will remove all PM content anyway asap, just wanted to show also my point of view, even if there are some mistakes on our end, it's not that we are pirates and scammers that steal content here and there

Paul is generally regarded as a retard around here. I wouldn't sweat it.

Play "match the uglies" between your site and his content store and you should be able to pick out which sets need removing.

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02-23-2008, 04:54 AM

pornonada, your right. Remove his content and buy else where. There is a few guys here that can sell you better content.

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02-23-2008, 05:04 AM

Originally posted by Oracle Porn

pornonada tell him to go fuck himself....what a loser he is.

Basically that's exactly what he did. He refused to pay anything, I went as low as $500 or maybe even lower. He said no and carried on using it regardless. Seems I did not have any say in the matter. He was going to break the license and keep using the content what ever I offered. He has now only said he will take it down after he flamed on another board and I caught him using it.

So if he did not like the prices I offered, he should of taken the content out of the sites. Not carried on using it.

For the others I do not license to a domain. I license to the owner of the domain. The license is non transferable by the licensee. It's transferred by us.

But it seems the license was not even being kept to. The original license was never for use in the affiliates area. But there it is. So the license was broken.

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Maybe he did misunderstand the terms of the license and thought it was to the domain and not the owner, but did he also misunderstand the part about giving it to affiliates?

Seems the license, which Pornonada is so interested in, was totally ignored. Even after he knew he did not own it he continued to use it. Would he like to explain why he refused to pay for the transfer and continued to use the content against the terms of the license?

More lip service to fighting pirates.

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02-23-2008, 05:08 AM

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pornonada, your right. Remove his content and buy else where. There is a few guys here that can sell you better content.

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02-23-2008, 05:09 AM

Originally posted by Zorgman

pornonada, your right. Remove his content and buy else where. There is a few guys here that can sell you better content.

Just answer this for us.

Do you allow people who license your product to ignore the license terms. Do you allow them to keep using the product even after they have refused to abide by the terms of the license?

Or is it a different rule for me?

He asked for a price, we haggled, he refused all prices I offered. His attitude was I should give it to him for free. Even though he was already breaking the terms of the license.

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02-23-2008, 05:14 AM

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02-23-2008, 05:31 AM

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02-23-2008, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Just answer this for us.

Do you allow people who license your product to ignore the license terms. Do you allow them to keep using the product even after they have refused to abide by the terms of the license?

Or is it a different rule for me?

He asked for a price, we haggled, he refused all prices I offered. His attitude was I should give it to him for free. Even though he was already breaking the terms of the license.

Paul, I don't come bitching to the forums about how someone stole my product. I deal with it out of the public eye.

I do not allows transfers of a TEVS license due to someone already trying to resell it for 3 times it's current value. But if someone came to me saying this is the deal, webmaster #1 and #2 agree to sell/buy the license and everyone knows what they are getting then I would allow it. But for me to charge the new webmaster another cost is just insane.

Someone has already paid for that content, so why are you asking for more money?

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02-23-2008, 05:49 AM

Originally posted by Zorgman

Someone has already paid for that content, so why are you asking for more money?

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02-23-2008, 05:58 AM

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02-23-2008, 05:59 AM

Here's another thought. Pornonada claims he does not know what is our content as he "lost" it during the transfer. Not all it seems as some is in the affiliates area unlicensed.

So is this content in the affiliates area, I have downloaded a lot of what I found, and not in the site? Which screws the affiliates and leads to charge backs.

Also how many other producers content is in the affiliates area without a license. Just ours or lots?

Just ours would mean it would be easy to identify and remove, lots of others leads to the question "How much of it is licensed for affiliates distribution?"

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02-23-2008, 06:15 AM

Originally posted by Zorgman

Paul, I don't come bitching to the forums about how someone stole my product. I deal with it out of the public eye.

It was Pornonada who first brought it to the public eye on Ask Damage. So not me.

Originally posted by Zorgman

I do not allows transfers of a TEVS license due to someone already trying to resell it for 3 times it's current value. But if someone came to me saying this is the deal, webmaster #1 and #2 agree to sell/buy the license and everyone knows what they are getting then I would allow it. But for me to charge the new webmaster another cost is just insane.

Someone has already paid for that content, so why are you asking for more money?

The original buyer asked me if he could sell the content. I told him no for exactly the same reason you don't allow others to sell your program. Then after the original buyer sold it. Yes after being told he could not. Pornonada and/or DamageX later came onto me to tell me they had lost it in the transfer and they wanted to re download it. First I knew the original buyer had ignored my instructions. I tried to reach a price with them for the transfer and the re supply. If we can't reach a price agreement he takes the content down, not keep using it. But anyone thinking that's what he was always going to do?

However it's all negated by the fact they are breaking the license terms anyway. He knew he did not have the license, he kept using it, he knew it was not licensed for affiliate use, he kept using it.

He keeps saying he has sold the program on again, but refuses to give me the name of the new owners. So he sold content he does not own a license for and using against the terms of that license. Are you this lenient?

Usually I will transfer a license with no fuss, it's my job to transfer it not for the original buyer to sell it. In this case I was ignored by the original buyer and Pornonada who just used it. But I'm the bad guy.

For sticking to the terms of my license. Anyone thought I just don't want someone who clearly ignores licenses to have the license?

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02-23-2008, 06:34 AM

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02-23-2008, 06:40 AM

let me get this right... you were paid for the content... the person that sold the program can't pass on the license to the content?
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02-23-2008, 07:07 AM

Very interesting and educational thread.

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02-23-2008, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by nation-x

let me get this right... you were paid for the content... the person that sold the program can't pass on the license to the content?

Only in PM little own world will that make sence. Why in hell buy content for a site/domain if you down the road cant sell the whole site. It`s not like selling the content itself, just a part of a site package. but no no lol
Has to be the most stupid biz move ever

He should write on his site: If you are having any plans what so ever to make your site a success and maybe sell it later you should NOT buy content from me.

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02-23-2008, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Seems the license, which Pornonada is so interested in, was totally ignored. Even after he knew he did not own it he continued to use it. Would he like to explain why he refused to pay for the transfer and continued to use the content against the terms of the license?

More lip service to fighting pirates.

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What means ignored? There is no way to remove things immediatly. I asked you about 100+ times to tell me where exactly you see your content and what exactly it is so it can be removed. You always said to check on the license and you know exactly that there is none because you never released one to the originally owner. Than you refused to point me to the exact content so it can be removed. Another reason is that the whole program, as said already, is being again transfered to a know owner, there are NATS problems, CMS problems and whatever not, the whole thing is fucked up from everywhere.

Why i refused to pay? Yes because we never could agree to a price, each time you name a different price, beginning from US$ 2200, than 500 US$ + removing you from the shitlist on adx, than a banner on adx again combined with a shitlist removal, than somewhere 1000 US$, than today 3 or 5 times the price which ends up to be 11.000 US$.
Why don't you just admit honestly, as i admit my mistakes, that it's just all about because your affilate program was put into the "public shitlist", you mentioned it already x times on icq conversations that you will pay us back for that, and that's the real reason why you make everything so there is no deal possible and than play your story about content theft and piracy. Damn, when i told you that i right at the moment sell the program to a new owner you wanted to cash another time for that, means i had to pay 2 times for the content which would have meant that for the very same content, on the very same domains it had to be paid 3 times in 1 year.
Even if it's in your license agreement, it's no way fair, and as said already, it's not that much about the content, but me and damagex and the shitlist entry of your program ...

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02-23-2008, 07:34 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

He asked for a price, we haggled, he refused all prices I offered. His attitude was I should give it to him for free. Even though he was already breaking the terms of the license.

I refused most prices because they have been combined with removing your program from the "public shitlist", that's a deal we can not agree on.
Additionally i asked 100 times about the exact content, so it can be removed and the case can be solved. All you said is i had to find out my own, which makes it an extremely hard task to fish your <1GB content out of 150GB Content. Not to talking about the pics that have been used somewhere on some tours. I just have no idea what was bought from you, you never released a license, never helped finding the content and just nothing, so that's the reason why we hope "removeyourcontent" will take the job and find and remove every piece of your content. Ironiclly is that the "pirate" has to hire him to get things solved ....

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02-23-2008, 07:39 AM

very interesting
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02-23-2008, 07:41 AM

This is a stupid thread.

You know damn well there was no theft of anything Paul. They tried to get it worked out with you, but you see it as a chance to gain some leverage and try to throw your weight around while trying to selectively enforce your ignorant terms.

In case you haven't noticed, some people don't react well to threats and extortion.

Fuck you Paul, I am more convinced than ever that you belong in the shitlist.
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02-23-2008, 07:43 AM

If I saw someone using my product in violation of my license agreement I'd be pissed too. Yea there are ALWAYS excuses and reasons but the fact remains someone is abusing your property. The fact you sold it once is irrelevant.

If someone approached me ahead of time I would probably issue a new license for a token amount or try to sell additional content and tie the old stuff into the new agreement.

If I caught someone using product without a license hell I'd jack the price up too. What I don't see is how any of this is Paul's fault.
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