Who was born first ?

**Violetta** · 02-12-2008, 11:11 PM

http://people.cs.uu.nl/hansb/religion/chickenegg.html

**qxm** · 02-12-2008, 11:35 PM

this thread makes my balls itch.........

**pr0** · 02-12-2008, 11:37 PM

obviously an egg didn't morph out of nowhere

however, other animals that came from the sea...morphed into animals

so I'd def go with the chicken

**pr0** · 02-12-2008, 11:38 PM

Originally posted by pr0

obviously an egg didn't morph out of nowhere

however, other animals that came from the sea...morphed into animals

so I'd def go with the chicken

but actually a hybrid chicken, with a genetic mutation in its dna structure, so when it hatched its hybrid egg, the chicken hatched was slightly different...then after 1000's of years, we got the chicken we have today

**Unlimited** · 02-12-2008, 11:43 PM

i vote for chicken :D

**pr0** · 02-12-2008, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by zvaka

i vote for chicken :D

everything but the big bang evolved...it didn't fucking magically appear

so yes a hybrid sea creature that genetically morphed (eventually) into chicken makes the most sense

probably from mutant fish inbreeding with rodents

**Dagwolf** · 02-12-2008, 11:56 PM

Using Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, the answer is both and neither at the same time.

I personally think Schroedinger's cat may or may not have eaten the chick.

**Vick!** · 02-12-2008, 11:57 PM

You can't answer such questions without help of religion.

For some reason, I could never buy "...and it took 1000s of years for us to become humans from unicellular shit.." -- where the hell that unicellular living organism came from? ..

**pr0** · 02-12-2008, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by Vick!

You can't answer such questions without help of religion.

For some reason, I could never buy "...and it took 1000s of years for us to become humans from unicellular shit.." -- where the hell that unicellular living organism came from? ..

millions/billions, not thousands.............retaaaaaaaaaad

u crack me up vick!

**Vick!** · 02-13-2008, 12:03 AM

Originally posted by pr0

millions/billions, not thousands.............retaaaaaaaaaad

I meant some million 1000s ... haha

**Vick!** · 02-13-2008, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by pr0

everything but the big bang evolved...it didn't fucking magically appear

so yes a hybrid sea creature that genetically morphed (eventually) into chicken makes the most sense

probably from mutant fish inbreeding with rodents

Where that "hybrid sea creature" came from by the way?

**WWC** · 02-13-2008, 12:04 AM

i am hungry for egg breakfast now....

**pr0** · 02-13-2008, 12:07 AM

Originally posted by Vick!

Where that "hybrid sea creature" came from by the way?

a single cell'd organism, or bacteria

**DjiXas** · 02-13-2008, 06:52 AM

Me!

!!!

**Xrated J** · 02-13-2008, 06:53 AM

i really dont care

**Evil Chris** · 02-13-2008, 06:55 AM

What do we win if we're right?

**CheneyRumsfeld** · 02-13-2008, 06:57 AM

God created man.
but who the fuck created God?
and most important; why?

**ADL Colin** · 02-13-2008, 07:19 AM

A chicken is just an eggs way of producing another egg.

It's a bird descended from another species of bird. so the egg came first.

**Dirty F** · 02-13-2008, 07:22 AM

Originally posted by CheneyRumsfeld

God created man.

Where do you get that nonsense from? How can you just say that like that? You know how nuts that sound?

**he-fox** · 02-13-2008, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by CheneyRumsfeld

God created man.
but who the fuck created God?
and most important; why?

SuperGod

for fun

**plugin** · 02-13-2008, 07:41 AM

You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs

**Dirty F** · 02-13-2008, 07:46 AM

Originally posted by CheneyRumsfeld

God created man.
but who the fuck created God?
and most important; why?

How can someone just say god created man...man that is seriously just fucking crazy...i dont understand it.

Do you have some kind of evidence for that?

**Fap** · 02-13-2008, 08:50 AM

Egg... .

**pr0** · 02-13-2008, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by ADL Colin

A chicken is just an eggs way of producing another egg.

It's a bird descended from another species of bird. so the egg came first.

yes, but the first bird was born from the sea no doubt

**Brother Bilo** · 02-13-2008, 09:13 AM

Everyone knows God created the egg to see what would pop out, don't you read the bible?

"And on the 8th day, God said, "Hey guys, let's see what the hell comes out of this egg I just made."

**Paco, of Large Cash.** · 02-13-2008, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by pr0

obviously an egg didn't morph out of nowhere

Shush! Don't tell the dumbass creationists that! You know, the god-fearing freaks that believe it was like this.

As far as they are concerned, the magician, the great Godini did pull an egg of of his, or her, ass, which lead to the chicken.

However, I'll go with the primordial ooze evolving in to.. theory.

**Lamis** · 02-13-2008, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by ADL Colin

A chicken is just an eggs way of producing another egg.

It's a bird descended from another species of bird. so the egg came first.

hey you stupid colin...

Can you do me a favor and die tomorrow? you fucking piece of shit..

**sniperwolf** · 02-13-2008, 09:31 AM

okay voted for chicken!

**KILL_FRENZY** · 02-13-2008, 10:41 AM

chicken for sure

**slapass** · 02-13-2008, 10:43 AM

Dinosaurs laid eggs before chickens existed so the answer is obvious.

**Scott McD** · 02-13-2008, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by Evil Chris

What do we win if we're right?

An egg...

**ADL Colin** · 02-13-2008, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by pr0

yes, but the first bird was born from the sea no doubt

How so? Seems quite likely that birds are closely related to dinosaurs.

**Fap** · 02-13-2008, 11:18 AM

Why couldnt they both come at the same time?

**nikki99** · 02-13-2008, 11:27 AM

I voted, extremely interesting poll

**minniesoporno** · 02-13-2008, 11:55 AM

I still think they both landed at the same time.

**CDSmith** · 02-13-2008, 12:03 PM

I think the real question I want answered is who was it that first looked at that roundish hard whitish thing coming out of a chicken's ass and thought "That looks good, I think I'll eat it"

Who?

D · 02-13-2008, 12:08 PM

From the philosophical point of view... Aristotle, in his Metaphysics, said "Actuality must proceed potentiality"... since a chicken represents an actual being, and an egg could be said to represent a potential being, the chicken must have come first.

That said, from a biological standpoint, there must have been some sort of proto-chicken species that existed before the modern "chicken," and these proto-chickens, no doubt, laid eggs of their own... and probably laid the first "mutant" that would later be called a "chicken" in an egg... so, in that respect, perhaps the egg came first.

But, then there's also the idea that the egg containing the first chicken was actually not a "chicken" egg, but a proto-chicken egg, which just happened to contain a mutant proto-chicken that would eventually go on and be successful enough to help spawn its own species...

Then, it's almost an argument of semantics... for the proto-chicken egg is still an "egg," even if not a "chicken egg"....

So it goes back to the original question, and how you'd define "egg." If you're to define it as "any egg," well - of course the egg came first, because there were plenty of species laying eggs before the first _birds_ came into existence... hell, even before anything was walking on the earth, fish were laying plenty of eggs...

But, if you're defining it in a more narrow sense... as a "chicken egg," then it could be said that the chicken came first, for the egg that the first unhatched chicken would be all nestled up inside of would actually be a proto-chicken's egg, that happened to contain the mutant proto-chicken chicken... and the first "chicken egg" wouldn't have said to be first existed until that mutant chicken matured and laid its own egg....

Which is in line with Aristotle's assertion that actuality proceeds

Unless you define an egg as "an egg with a chicken inside of it"... and, in that case, Biology and Aristotle's Metaphysics might be considered to not see eye to eye.

I'm gonna go with "Chicken"

**Brother Bilo** · 02-13-2008, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by D

From the philosophical point of view... Aristotle, in his Metaphysics, said "Actuality must proceed potentiality"... since a chicken represents an actual being, and an egg could be said to represent a potential being, the chicken must have come first.

That said, from a biological standpoint, there must have been some sort of proto-chicken species that existed before the modern "chicken," and these proto-chickens, no doubt, laid eggs of their own... and probably laid the first "mutant" that would later be called a "chicken" in an egg... so, in that respect, perhaps the egg came first.

But, then there's also the idea that the egg containing the first chicken was actually not a "chicken" egg, but a proto-chicken egg, which just happened to contain a mutant proto-chicken that would eventually go on and be successful enough to help spawn its own species...

Then, it's almost an argument of semantics... for the proto-chicken egg is still an "egg," even if not a "chicken egg"....

So it goes back to the original question, and how you'd define "egg." If you're to define it as "any egg," well - of course the egg came first, because there were plenty of species laying eggs before the first _birds_ came into existence... hell, even before anything was walking on the earth, fish were laying plenty of eggs...

But, if you're defining it in a more narrow sense... as a "chicken egg," then it could be said that the chicken came first, for the egg that the first unhatched chicken would be all nestled up inside of would actually be a proto-chicken's egg, that happened to contain the mutant proto-chicken chicken... and the first "chicken egg" wouldn't have said to be first existed until that mutant chicken matured and laid its own egg....

Which backs up Aristotle's assertion that actuality comes first.

Unless you define an egg as "an egg with a chicken inside of it"... and, in that case, Biology and Aristotle's Metaphysics might be considered to not see eye to eye.

Goddamn dude, you seem way to intellectual for the likes of this board.

D · 02-13-2008, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Brother Bilo

Goddamn dude, you seem way to intellectual for the likes of this board.

lol...

There are a handful of subjects that can get me rambling if I catch them and the mood strikes me... and this thread hit up two of 'em: philosophy and biology.

It can get worse if I'm drunk.

But, yeah... the thread seemed to die

. I should perhaps follow the ways of those smarter and wiser than me in these parts, at times - and keep my posts short, or in the form of an image.

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