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  • CuriousToyBoy
    Crazy Aussie Bastard
    • Aug 2005
    • 16787

    #51
    Originally posted by CuriousToyBoy
    ONE update, and no more, ever I can understand, like a static upsell, and even then LOADS of site advertising all over it.

    MORE than one update.

    WRONG.

    On the outside specifically marketing using YOUR updates.

    WRONG.

    2c
    Oh, and being tired I left out the key point ...

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    • munki
      Do Fun Shit.
      • Dec 2004
      • 13393

      #52
      Originally posted by ExtremeBank_Adam
      Alysha doesn't like people who abuse animals.
      Alysha for teh win..

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      • Oracle Porn
        Affiliate
        • Oct 2002
        • 24433

        #53
        i think you should say thanks that he posts it INSIDE FOR MEMBERS and not like all the tube sites free for all....


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        • SGS
          Confirmed User
          • Dec 2002
          • 5176

          #54
          Originally posted by Oracle Porn
          i think you should say thanks that he posts it INSIDE FOR MEMBERS and not like all the tube sites free for all....
          Content theft is content theft no matter what he does with it.
          See sig...

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          • ExtremeBank_Adam
            Confirmed User
            • Dec 2005
            • 1671

            #55
            Originally posted by Oracle Porn
            i think you should say thanks that he posts it INSIDE FOR MEMBERS and not like all the tube sites free for all....
            You know... I wouldn't mind as much if he wasn't advertising us on the free tour of his site. Now, if a potential member is looking at his tour, he thinks there are updates from Alysha and a few dozen others.

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            • 3xTom
              Confirmed User
              • Dec 2002
              • 1610

              #56
              Originally posted by ExtremeBank_Adam
              Well, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't on that boat by myself...

              No your NOT on the boat by yourself remember ( we were there )

              And we are here with you as well Thanks Adam
              This will be dealt with by our attorney as well

              Tom

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              • ExtremeBank_Adam
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2005
                • 1671

                #57
                Originally posted by 3xTom
                No your NOT on the boat by yourself remember ( we were there )

                And we are here with you as well Thanks Adam
                This will be dealt with by our attorney as well

                Tom
                Alysha is sick now after that cruise, as I've read that many others are as well. We had a great time, though!

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                • Ray@TastyDollars
                  • May 2002
                  • 6797

                  #58
                  Fuck, not good. They have our stuff up with no links to our site?

                  They contacted me last week asking me a for a full movie, I gave them a sample movie with a full picture set instead. They said they would list it in the members area as a friends upsale, for it to be an upsale there has to be a link god damit.

                  Love to hear what they have to say about this.

                  Ray

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                  • ExtremeBank_Adam
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2005
                    • 1671

                    #59
                    Originally posted by Ray@TastyDollars
                    Fuck, not good. They have our stuff up with no links to our site?

                    They contacted me last week asking me a for a full movie, I gave them a sample movie with a full picture set instead. They said they would list it in the members area as a friends upsale, for it to be an upsale there has to be a link god damit.

                    Love to hear what they have to say about this.

                    Ray
                    There is a link to our site in their members area. But, they are advertising our content in their free area as being part of their site with no link in the free area.

                    And... they never contacted me asking for permission. Perhaps they are contacting people now for recent updates. We have been in their members area since May 2007 (and again in August 2007) and never heard from them asking for permission.

                    ExtremeBank.com, the EXTREME program for the Pornicate.com Network of sites:
                    Naughty Alysha, Roxy Raye, Buddha Bang, Angie Noir, Fisting Sex, Extreme Ty & many more.
                    Email: adam [at] extremebank.com | ICQ: 331-797-412

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                    • notoldschool
                      Confirmed User
                      • Aug 2007
                      • 5687

                      #60
                      This practice is the norm with amateur girls so nothing to worry about there. Nonone puts traffic leaks in their free section just because there is a pic showing you as an update...
                      Originally posted by ExtremeBank_Adam
                      There is a link to our site in their members area. But, they are advertising our content in their free area as being part of their site with no link in the free area..
                      This is where the problem comes in....

                      Originally posted by ExtremeBank_Adam
                      And... they never contacted me asking for permission. Perhaps they are contacting people now for recent updates. We have been in their members area since May 2007 (and again in August 2007) and never heard from them asking for permission.
                      Always ask permission boys and girls.
                      No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
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                      • SGS
                        Confirmed User
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 5176

                        #61
                        Here is a link to the CCBill copyright department for anyone with stolen content on there: http://businesscenter.ccbill.com/htm...copyright.html
                        See sig...

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                        • selena
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                          • Aug 2004
                          • 7995

                          #62
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                          • Ray@TastyDollars
                            • May 2002
                            • 6797

                            #63
                            Originally posted by ExtremeBank_Adam
                            There is a link to our site in their members area. But, they are advertising our content in their free area as being part of their site with no link in the free area.

                            And... they never contacted me asking for permission. Perhaps they are contacting people now for recent updates. We have been in their members area since May 2007 (and again in August 2007) and never heard from them asking for permission.
                            Hitting you up on ICQ

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                            • Ray@TastyDollars
                              • May 2002
                              • 6797

                              #64
                              Ok, i just joined the site and there is indeed a link back to our site where our content is listed. So we are good, they followed through what they said they would do, post our stuff and upsell/link back.

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                              • ExtremeBank_Adam
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2005
                                • 1671

                                #65
                                Originally posted by Ray@TastyDollars
                                Ok, i just joined the site and there is indeed a link back to our site where our content is listed. So we are good, they followed through what they said they would do, post our stuff and upsell/link back.
                                That was the original intention of my post, to ask if it was ok or standard procedure for affiliates to do that. Nearly everyone here says it's not, but I guess you're ok with them posting full length videos in their members area and advertising it in their free area?

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                                • notoldschool
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Aug 2007
                                  • 5687

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by ExtremeBank_Adam
                                  Nearly everyone here says it's not
                                  Most people here dont know shit.
                                  No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
                                  -- Learned Hand

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                                  • Ray@TastyDollars
                                    • May 2002
                                    • 6797

                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by ExtremeBank_Adam
                                    That was the original intention of my post, to ask if it was ok or standard procedure for affiliates to do that. Nearly everyone here says it's not, but I guess you're ok with them posting full length videos in their members area and advertising it in their free area?
                                    We dont allow full movies, the movie they listed is one the I personally edited for this deal. Its basically 6 mins of intro and 3-4 mins of sex. I also gave them a full picture set of that same scene.

                                    So yeah , its fine by me. Its great for upsells

                                    We are actually working on setting up the same type trades with our members area(s) and anyone willing to provide a full picture set with a movie clip.

                                    I did not however allow the full picture set to be posted outside of the members area, "free area".

                                    Your upset, because you did not give them permission, Id be upset as well. I hope you 2 can work it out.

                                    thx,
                                    Ray

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                                    • D
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jan 2006
                                      • 7412

                                      #68
                                      Yeah, that's rather jacked, and I wouldn't be too keen on doing business with someone who would think that's acceptable behavior. Thanks for the heads up, Adam - found the guy had signed up for one of our programs.

                                      -D.
                                      ICQ: 202-96-31

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                                      • V_RocKs
                                        Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                        • Nov 2003
                                        • 32449

                                        #69
                                        This is why it is NOT OK for THIS GUY to do THIS

                                        A ccbill solo girl will have galleries or teaser (extra long videos but not FULL videos) for upsales... This is NORMAL behavior.

                                        This guy took full length videos and also UPDATED with MORE videos so that he effectively padded HIS members area with OTHER SITES CONTENT!

                                        The surfer doesn't NEED to go to your site anymore. He can stay HERE and get your content for free. He basically turned his single site into a site network comparable to nasty dollars or traffic cash gold. He did this with your content with the excuse that it was an upsell.

                                        YES, 1:23 is a great ratio... But in 1 year having 2 to 3 upsells is complete bullshit. It shows that he is NOT selling your site, he is padding his own with your content. His surfers are so happy with this deal they feel no need to leave his NETWORK...

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                                        • stever
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2005
                                          • 1716

                                          #70
                                          bump for fucking this guy up
                                          this is not acceptable at all

                                          upsell ads should only be made using promo tools content
                                          not your full members area content

                                          who cares if he doesnt advertise your full members content on his tour
                                          he is giving it for free to his members which is probably making him more on recurring memberships....this is even worse
                                          ban him
                                          report him
                                          kill him
                                          ruin him lol


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                                          • stever
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Jul 2005
                                            • 1716

                                            #71
                                            do you really need 3 signups in 1year at 1:23 ? lol
                                            i think not
                                            rape him


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                                            • After Shock Media
                                              It's coming look busy
                                              • Mar 2001
                                              • 35299

                                              #72
                                              And fuck I just use a few hosted movie gallery clips with a self generated thumbnail as an upsell. Yup the same hosted crap that every other affiliate has access to and I always do less than 1:6 with my sponsors from these sort of upsells.

                                              Now on actual content exchanges with a solo girl I get about the same conversion but the traffic numbers are vastly greater. The above ones I may send each program up to 10 sales a month, yet with a content exchange I may end up sending double or tripple that. Well then again I have had some go ass up, we all know how every so often something just blows.

                                              Now to think I could of been padding my site and not spending so damn much on updates.

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                                              • Deej
                                                I make pixels work
                                                • Jun 2005
                                                • 24386

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by stever
                                                do you really need 3 signups in 1year at 1:23 ? lol
                                                i think not
                                                rape him
                                                im assuming he means within the year at hand... so... one month?


                                                still



                                                seems very shady

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                                                • ExtremeBank_Adam
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Dec 2005
                                                  • 1671

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by Deej
                                                  im assuming he means within the year at hand... so... one month?


                                                  still



                                                  seems very shady
                                                  Correct, that was year to date 2008.

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                                                  • stever
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Jul 2005
                                                    • 1716

                                                    #75
                                                    adam your asking really dumb questions to begin with
                                                    should this be allowed?

                                                    like if ppl said ya its fine you would let it go?

                                                    wow not very smart at all


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                                                    • ExtremeBank_Adam
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Dec 2005
                                                      • 1671

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by stever
                                                      adam your asking really dumb questions to begin with
                                                      should this be allowed?

                                                      like if ppl said ya its fine you would let it go?

                                                      wow not very smart at all
                                                      A simple "kiss my ass" would suffice here, but I'll take the time to respond...

                                                      I wanted to check as a program owner what other program owners will allow and won't allow. Are YOU a program owner?

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                                                      • Paparazzi
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Mar 2002
                                                        • 3488

                                                        #77
                                                        Nice to see you take action Lady Sonia guys

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                                                        • V_RocKs
                                                          Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                          • Nov 2003
                                                          • 32449

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                                          And fuck I just use a few hosted movie gallery clips with a self generated thumbnail as an upsell. Yup the same hosted crap that every other affiliate has access to and I always do less than 1:6 with my sponsors from these sort of upsells.

                                                          Now on actual content exchanges with a solo girl I get about the same conversion but the traffic numbers are vastly greater. The above ones I may send each program up to 10 sales a month, yet with a content exchange I may end up sending double or tripple that. Well then again I have had some go ass up, we all know how every so often something just blows.

                                                          Now to think I could of been padding my site and not spending so damn much on updates.
                                                          Exactly... I see many a sponsor with less content used in the upsell making way more money... This guy is more or less creating a network pass at everyone else's expense.

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                                                          • notoldschool
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Aug 2007
                                                            • 5687

                                                            #79
                                                            Sorry to inform all you guys, but using a full movie and picture set is standard practice for these type of sites. Not linking to the content owners site would be stealing, or not having your own content in the members area, or maybe even using more than two videos in a short time would be iffy but you guys are way off on this one. Check with the industry leaders and you will see they ALL use full movie and picture set.
                                                            No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
                                                            -- Learned Hand

                                                            http://www.bjpenn.com

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                                                            • LFCII
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                              • 124

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by SGS
                                                              Here is a link to the CCBill copyright department for anyone with stolen content on there: http://businesscenter.ccbill.com/htm...copyright.html
                                                              At the risk of asking this while you are in a bad mood.

                                                              If someone asked you for a pic set or vid to promote your site from within their members area, would you?

                                                              I am thinking a general banner or text link of your site rotating within their members area. plus a banner and or text link on the page the set and or vid is displayed.

                                                              Kind Regards,

                                                              Les
                                                              Tchau

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                                                              • commonsense
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Feb 2007
                                                                • 1790

                                                                #81
                                                                Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                Sorry to inform all you guys, but using a full movie and picture set is standard practice for these type of sites. Not linking to the content owners site would be stealing, or not having your own content in the members area, or maybe even using more than two videos in a short time would be iffy but you guys are way off on this one. Check with the industry leaders and you will see they ALL use full movie and picture set.


                                                                If they did not obtain permission to use the content (all of it) it is THEFT, whether they link to them or not.


                                                                End of story.

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                                                                • D
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Jan 2006
                                                                  • 7412

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by commonsense
                                                                  If they did not obtain permission to use the content (all of it) it is THEFT, whether they link to them or not.


                                                                  End of story.
                                                                  Q.F.E.

                                                                  -D.
                                                                  ICQ: 202-96-31

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                                                                  • 3xTom
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Dec 2002
                                                                    • 1610

                                                                    #83
                                                                    Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                    Sorry to inform all you guys, but using a full movie and picture set is standard practice for these type of sites. Not linking to the content owners site would be stealing, or not having your own content in the members area, or maybe even using more than two videos in a short time would be iffy but you guys are way off on this one. Check with the industry leaders and you will see they ALL use full movie and picture set.
                                                                    Sorry but you are the one that is way off on this one
                                                                    taking content from my members area and using it in your members area and on your tour as an update is completly against our terms of service and im sure it is against all the <SO CALLED> BIG BOYS terms of service as well...

                                                                    Ask me to use content from the members area and get permission to use something is one thing, but taking it just because IM AN AFFILIATE and ill link to you is something different.... I dont give a ratts ass that the guy is linking to me he stole my content that i didnt give him permission to use and placed it not only in his members area but on his tour as an update
                                                                    All he had to do was ask me and hell I would have shot something JUST FOR HIM .... special that noone else has... as im sure MOST if not all solo model sites would do...

                                                                    Come on now...

                                                                    edit
                                                                    You and yours above not meaning this is your site sorry bout that one... lol
                                                                    Last edited by 3xTom; 02-02-2008, 06:12 PM.

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                                                                    • stever
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Jul 2005
                                                                      • 1716

                                                                      #84
                                                                      notoldschool sorry to inform you but you know shit


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                                                                      • john FVC
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jan 2004
                                                                        • 671

                                                                        #85
                                                                        Originally posted by LFCII
                                                                        At the risk of asking this while you are in a bad mood.

                                                                        If someone asked you for a pic set or vid to promote your site from within their members area, would you?

                                                                        I am thinking a general banner or text link of your site rotating within their members area. plus a banner and or text link on the page the set and or vid is displayed.

                                                                        Kind Regards,

                                                                        Les
                                                                        No, we do not permit that.


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                                                                        • hateman
                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                          • Jul 2003
                                                                          • 1623

                                                                          #86
                                                                          This thread is hilarious.

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                                                                          • BlingDaddy
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Apr 2004
                                                                            • 6343

                                                                            #87
                                                                            Originally posted by CuriousToyBoy
                                                                            ONE update, and no more, ever I can understand, like a static upsell, and even then LOADS of site advertising all over it.

                                                                            MORE than one update.

                                                                            WRONG.

                                                                            On the outside specifically marketing using YOUR updates.

                                                                            WRONG.

                                                                            2c
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                                                                            • brandonstills
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Dec 2007
                                                                              • 1964

                                                                              #88
                                                                              ummm.... no.

                                                                              need you ask?

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                                                                              • Toni
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                • 2697

                                                                                #89
                                                                                Terminate his account


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                                                                                • LFCII
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Feb 2004
                                                                                  • 124

                                                                                  #90
                                                                                  Originally posted by john FVC
                                                                                  No, we do not permit that.

                                                                                  Hi John,

                                                                                  Thank You for taking the time to reply.

                                                                                  If I think you site is a quality site and want to add a rotating banner in my members areas (affiliate link) it that ok. Just the banner.

                                                                                  Kind Regards,

                                                                                  Les
                                                                                  Tchau

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                                                                                  • fuzebox
                                                                                    making it rain
                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                    • 22353

                                                                                    #91
                                                                                    Originally posted by ExtremeBank_Adam
                                                                                    The ratios are great... but the traffic isn't.
                                                                                    He's only sent 67 hits since the beginning of the year, and we've converted 3 of them, so he's 1:22 right now. But, with that large of an update with our content, does the viewer really need to join our site?
                                                                                    So he is sending sales though...

                                                                                    From the screenshot you posted it seems the problem to me is not enough links to your site, not the fact that he uses a full movie... His method is generating signups.

                                                                                    If he had sent you 100 sales using this method would you have posted the thread?

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                                                                                    • Mutt
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                      • 34431

                                                                                      #92
                                                                                      i think it's bullshit to put free hosted galleries in a members area - it's a fucking insult to members. i wanted to use two full photosets and a video of solo girls i wanted to do trades with - oh my god, the dolts were up in arms, you can't do that! i am happy to give anybody who is going to upsell my site full sets - the name of the game is to make sales, a full photoset works better in a members area than a free hosted gallery. it's a pre-sale - a very qualified pre-sale.
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