Originally posted by will76
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You can attempt to spin it all you want Will, but the fact is that people haven't been paid the bonus that was promised them even if they've attempted to work with clickcash to get it sorted out. And if a company is willing to not pay you such a tiny amount.. well.. you can see where that can go... -
And this is why you're no more than a shill. You're automatic response is to assume someone is a liar when it comes to their issues with your beloved company.Originally posted by will76
Obviously I can't be sure, but my stats aren't a blue color. So my first thought was that he was using something like stats remote which would just add up all his earnings including any ref earnings. You're first thought was he was a liar.Comment
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Originally posted by chadglni
yeah i was thinking that too, but it says 3/7 for the date? 3/7/1998 maybe ?ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Originally posted by Tempest
which people, names.... please give me names!!!ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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As you wish, Shill76Originally posted by will76
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I thought you picked who you would work with Will, i.e. you wouldn't work with newbs? Or have you lied about that before? Or do you simply spin your "truth" to suit your arguments?Originally posted by will76
Unlike you, I've never claimed to know everything. But at least my eyes are open to finding the truth as opposed to burrying my head in the sand.Originally posted by will76Comment
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Originally posted by Tempest
GET A FUCKING CLUE, IT IS SIMPLE MATH. ADD IT UP YOURSELF! IT IS NOT POSSIBLE.
how can he make $1330 from 38 signup. do the math yourself. fucking think before you post, please you are making yourself look like a retard by conintuning to try to attack me when it is obvious i am right. Like at this point i can say 2+2=4 and you would say you are wrong you think you know everything lol. get over man, move on.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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I already said that I for one hadn't been paid that bonus.Originally posted by will76
Why would you want the names anyways? So you could try to turn them into liars and people who have commited fraud etc. etc. etc.. You don't want to hear any of it. Out of all the complaints about CC, you turn every one of those people into the ones that were in the wrong. It's never CC's fault in your eyes.Comment
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Originally posted by Tempest
hey can you do simple math ?ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Maybe you should go take a little nap since this is obviously too much for you.. And then re-read what I posted.Originally posted by will76Comment
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Your argument is pathetic. A huge company like CC doesn't really care about guys making a few hundred a month. Get real.Originally posted by will76i love this argument and was waiting for someone to bring it up. thank you.
anyone here with an ounce of business knowledge will be able to follow me, for the rest of you don't even try t o understand, this concept might be too complex for you.
Affiliate A creates account, sends 10 signups and makes clickcash "$50" (lets use $50 for example i bet the average is much more then that) and clickcash owes him $400 for those 10 signups.
So you suggest that they say
I want your $400 and i am not going to pay you. Considering the VAST majority of webmasters who make money with them will continuing using them for months and even years, why would they give away all of that future income just to screw you out of $400? If you stayed with them say 1 year, at a tiny $50 a week profit off of you they would have made $2600 off of you over the year, does it make sense to keep $400 but to lose $2600 of future earnings. Keep in mind also, all of the negative bs all these people will be starting about them as well, why would they want to make less money and create bad publicity????
It's been said so many times on this baord and others that any successful program doesn't need affiliates. The vast majority of income the affiliates make for a program is like a yearly bonus. And if they've got a couple whales, they treat them like kings and who cares about the rest.
What.. The surfer isn't smart enough to click thru/past a TOS page? Do you think CC will keep a TOS page always coming up? There are thousands and thousands of pages out there that people haven't changed with links to the old ARS sites, old hawgscash sites etc. etc. etc... That's free traffic for the program when an old affiliate doesn't change out their links.Originally posted by will76Comment
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I'm still at the top of page 1 so it may have already been mentioned. I've seen evidence of clickcash sending out 1099's with the income from the previous year. If you compare the two 1099's side by side they have identical amounts.Originally posted by teksonline
I guess that means you made 10-20k less last tax year.
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Originally posted by will76
I think you should get a clue. He is using Stats Remote and it doesnt show webmaster referral bonus etc. He was also talking positive about CC by saying that he made good money with them and that they always paid on time.
You had an allie in this thread who you have now pissed off.
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It also doesnt show chargebacks.Originally posted by Relish XXX
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Originally posted by TempestYour argument is pathetic. A huge company like CC doesn't really care about guys making a few hundred a month. Get real. It's been said so many times on this baord and others that any successful program doesn't need affiliates. The vast majority of income the affiliates make for a program is like a yearly bonus. And if they've got a couple whales, they treat them like kings and who cares about the rest.
What.. The surfer isn't smart enough to click thru/past a TOS page? Do you think CC will keep a TOS page always coming up? There are thousands and thousands of pages out there that people haven't changed with links to the old ARS sites, old hawgscash sites etc. etc. etc... That's free traffic for the program when an old affiliate doesn't change out their links.
you post are getting more and more retarded. i really believe at this point you are just posting shit to see me reply.
a lot of small affiliates = a good bit of money, even if the person is just getting a couple signups a week, 5,000 people like that makes clickcash lot of money, so you claim they screw the small guy, it makes no sense, a lot of small guys equal more then a couple big guys. keep trying.
the people can't click past the TOS page genius, i would think that people who link to ifriends would use their affiliate url with their id in it (makes sense), well all of those links are TOS'ed. So if all of the links go to a TOS page, how can people "click past it"?
Errrr... i don't care about ARS or other sites, are we talking about clickcash here.
And your comment " how do we know if they will keep the TOS page up" how do you know they wont? can you show me someone who was terminated and had a tos page that is not coming up with a tos page, no you can't you talking out of your ass again, so unless you have proof with these comments you should really stfu.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Originally posted by Relish XXX
OK EXPLAIN THIS TO ME THEN!!!
38 x $40 (no volume bonus) = $1520 not $1330
so please explain to me how i am still missing this.
Everyone follow along with me slow and show me where i am missing this. If i am wrong i will admit it. but i am not going to take your "word" for it you need to explain.
38 signups from ifriends even if they were all $40 would $1520 he has $1330 listed. You say that it doesn't include referral money. How does that matter. If it included referral money it should have been more then $1520. for 38 signups the smallest amount he should have made would have been $1520, how can it show less then that? they dont pay less then $40 per signup...ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Got busted by the cookies case closed dumbass...........
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My point.. which you're too blind to see.. is that when one of those "small" affiliates becomes an issue for the company, it's much easier just to get rid of them than keep them on. CC has clearly shown they don't give a shit about their affiliates so why would they keep a problem around? Much easier to create a reason to term them and be done with it. You can screw over little affiliates all day long and very few of them will do anything about it. And the few that come on here and post.. well like I said, there's tons of guys like you to come to the companies support. Man are you naive. Where do you get this idea that a bunch of small guys make more than a few big ones? Maybe you should talk to some real program owners cause the ones I've talked to or the ones that have posted stats have made it pretty clear that pretty much the top 10 affiliates make more than all the rest in almost all cases.Originally posted by will76
Ok Will.. Prove it to me.. First of all, show me a TOS'd link so I can see that page, and then prove to me that after 6 months that CC doesn't stop displaying it so they can get all the traffic that would otherwise go to waste. Show ME proof for a change since you're the one making statements that you can't prove either.Originally posted by will76
What's the difference? if there's a shit load of links up there for those old sites, there's sure as hell going to be a ton of links up for CC which aren't active anymore. Do you really think CC would let that go to waste?Originally posted by will76Comment
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I don't use stats remote Will.. Do you?? It's not rocket science to intelligently assume that those 38 signups include ref sales. So maybe his real sales were only 28 and the rest were ref sales. Jeez are you thick sometimes.Originally posted by will76Comment
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Originally posted by Relish XXX
get a clue, if you want to talk like you know what you are talking about then you should actually know something about it. Clickcash doesn't deduct for chargebacks like all the other companies.
but thanks for asking me or giving me the benefit of the doubt, allie.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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I dont know how the CC system works but I do know that stats remote shows end totals.Originally posted by will76
I swear I hope to god you never try to 'help' me like you help CC. You are just digging them a bigger fucking hole to bury themselves in. Look at how many people you have pissed off in this thread.
Are you actually authorised to speak on behalf of CC and do you work for them?
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Originally posted by will76 Now you're just acting like an ass without even knowing what you're talking about.. He was refering to stat remote not showing chargebacks.. not click cash... You really should go take a nap..
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You're slipping, Will. You've been using them for years, right? Wasn't so long ago that CC was paying out $35 per join.Originally posted by will76
$35 x 38 = $1330Comment
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Facts and opinions about ClickCash...
#1 - Fact - Regarding the $29.99 charge mentioned in the original post, although I LOVE promoting iFriends as "FREE FREE FREE", IT ISN'T. If you read the fine fine print, you will see that you have to actively "participate in the community" in order for your account to remain "free" ... I'd guess that 90% of users don't participate in the required way and therefore get charged (although it's usually $9.99 not $29.99).
#2 - Opinion - The fact that it's not really free is a huge part of the reason that ClickCash can afford to payout $40+ per signup without shaving.
#3 - Fact - I have tried pretty much every affiliate program out there and I simply continue to make more with Clickcash. As I have for the last 5+ years. But that's me. The only program that comes even CLOSE is G3X, and anyone looking for a "free signup" alternative to Clickcash, I recommend you checkout http://www.g3x.com (although their system is being redone, not the best time to signup until their marketing suite is back online.)
#4 - Fact - Yes, Clickcash has 10's of thousands of webmasters signed up to their program, but there are less than 1000 that actually get a payout every week. I need to look at some pay stub numbers again, but if I remember correctly the check sequences I've seen, it's actually less than 500.
#5 - Opinion - Hey Teksonline , I know Will76 can be a bit abbrasive at times, but he's a good guy and defends Clickcash based on his own outstanding experience with them. Why don't you hit him on ICQ and give him your account code, he might be able to find out some info for you.
Take it for what it's worth, Clickcash has a very *special* way of doing business, I won't necessarily defend all of their practices, but I will most definitely continue to send them my traffic.see sig.Comment
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Originally posted by Tempest
if that is the case then stats remote is really screwing with his stats. They give a unique signup ration but include in his signups his downline signups? that would totally screw up his conversion ratio. If that is the case then I would like to hear someone who knows this for sure come and explain it.
Look, i didn't jump on this guy, I just said he signups didn't look right, " i smell bullshit". His post being in a thread with a couple idiots who are relentlessly attacking clickcash with no proof and idiot comments maybe I got a little defensive. I said i smell bullshit. Everyone jumps my shit saying, it doesn't include his referral bonus, or his volume bonus, which is not possible. I even said if someone could logically explain this i would admit i was wrong. After making several guess someone finally made a scenerio where it could be possible, now if we know this is the truth or knows till someone comes on here from remote stats or someone using them tells us either way.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Originally posted by Relish XXX
how many people have i pissed off in this thread that werent already pissed off... please refer to the post numbers.
you people through out bullshit comments like this ALL THE TIME. back it up, who in this thread who did not bash clickcash before, is now mad at clickcash because of something i said... come on point out " all those people" for us. please. back up your mouth with substance.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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#1 Fact I was not on the free account
I have been being charged $6.95 for the past year or so/
I dont even use the account, I just have it so in case I ever promoted the crap I could look at shit, with their stupid fucking content policy its a bitch to promote anything, its fucking designed to steal from their affiliates, they know dam well we want to see content is available and not these fucking privacy blocked images...
What a better way to run a system, then to make it so their affiliates also have to pay monthly. LOL! Cock Smooching Bitches!Comment
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Ahh sorry missed that part of your post about the $6.95 membership... pretty lame.Originally posted by teksonlinesee sig.Comment
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YES because when they terminate you, they do it for a reason, in most cases it is because they didn't want your traffic in the first place.Originally posted by Tempest
The borden is on you to prove it. You come on here saying 6 months from now they will change the TOS page and start taking your traffic and making money off of it for themselves. You need to prove what you are saying, you brought it up. Damn if you can't prove what you are saying, then you shouldn't be opening your mouth. Here is Tekonline's pages, if you want to keep checking for the next couple years (if he keeps them up) be my guest, if you see any changes then you can come back and talk like you know what the fuck you are talking about. How can i prove something that doesn't happen, AND YOU SAY I SPIN STUFF... nice try.
http://www.webcam-online.com/ how are people going to click around the TOS page, Mr. know it all? go ahead avoid the subject.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Originally posted by Tempest Now you're just acting like an ass without even knowing what you're talking about.. He was refering to stat remote not showing chargebacks.. not click cash... You really should go take a nap..
but what the hell do we care what stats remotes show for other companies we are talking about clickcash, why even say it if it has nothing to do with this thread. You people are reaching deep it is sad. He even admitted it in a later post. very sad, but you are on a mission, make up enough shit you might get one right sooner or later. You get an A for effort at least.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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wow thanks for telling me thatComment
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Originally posted by rowan
ding ding we have a winner! you are right i am slipping, That has to be what happened. Now i did say maybe his stats were old, but i didn't really think that was the case, why would someone be here posting 2 year old stats with todays date on it? (3/7) ? That would also mean he never hit the volume bonus any week, so those signups most have been over months, that seems to smell a little funny looking at it on todays date. If it would have been in any other thread, i wouldn;t have thought twice but i put nothing past the haters here to fabricate bad looking stats to try to bash clickcash. i knew something wasn't right, but i should have tried that combination as well.. you got it right, i give you the credit you deserve.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Originally posted by HizAzPhun
i would been more the happy to try to help him.
The 29.90 was from a fan club, so either him, or someone using his account made a fan club purchase. If some people want to believe that after 7 years of using clickcash, they decided to try to slip in a 29.90 charge on the guy, then they can belive tht if that want to. i just think it is more likely he did it on accident or someone stole his user pass, or someone who knows his info did it then it was some random ifriends error.
The other thing no one has ever accused clickcash from banning their account because their asked for a refund for ifriends charge. ifriends is actually pretty easy from what i have heard from the chathost, they get fan club sales charged back a good bit. The two companies, ifriends/ clickcash really don't communicate that much, muchless is ifriends going to shoot an email over to clickcash, " you need to close his clickcash account down" he just asked for a refund. doesn't make sense. I *bet* he was a real jerk and hot head and went off bitching and screaming at them. I know that never helps the situation, but who knows if it factored in. As he stated in his emails from them, it shows his account was closed down online but someone who had his user / pass.
Million dollar question, so why does he say, "wow didnt know how that happened, can you please fix it for me?". Problem solved but i bet he ran his mouth so much they didn;t want to fix his problem, i know i would want to work with someone that i have paid out time for 7 years with no problems, then one issue comes up and instead of acting like rational human being, and giving them benefit of the doubt to look into and fix it, he starts screaming they scammed him... I wouldnt want to work with this person any more either, such loyality. 7 years no problem, 1 issue, they are the worst company in the world, blah blah blah, seems like a hidden agenda to me.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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Originally posted by teksonline
where does it say that you can't use your own content ??? you are welcome to use your own content, and then when you screw up something and get canned you can switch to another cam sponsor on the fly. and then when you get canned from them, this will make it easier for you to keep switching around.
Here is another novel idea, pay the 6.95 and go in and download everything, cancel membership.... you have about a million pictures to last you a life time for promoting them.
BTW, how many of those people who signup do you think did so from t heir own affiliate code. lol talking about scamming, you complaining about being charged 6.95 f or something you made $40 off of doing...
Last edited by will76; 03-07-2006, 08:32 AM.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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your a fucking babbling idiotComment
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Originally posted by HizAzPhun
see above post, nothing lame about it. I gave several ways he could have avoided this, he CHOOSE to do it and is now bitching about it.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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so when you run out of bullshit excuses you resort to pure name calling.Originally posted by teksonline
so no comment about how you implied clickcash was scamming you becaue you were getting .40 and .04 sales from your downline.
so no comment about why you didn't just tell them that your account was not shut down intentionally by you and could they please put it back on... gee only seems like the logical thing to do instead bitching here (like that will help the matter, funny enough in your twisted logic you think it did, you "outed them" so that is why they are paying you now, LOL. they don't care what you post, i think that is obvious to everyone.
so no comment why you didn't use your own content or just download a lot of content over 1 month and cancel the 6.95 after one month, but instead you pay it every month, and then bitch about it later...
so many valid questions to still be answered are we only going to get insult, one line replies back now ?ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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so no comment when you complain about not getting yoru signup bonus and i mention that it is a common mistake amoung people when they open a second account, they don't keep giving it to you on multiple accounts... no comment if this was the case for you, did you have a second account?Originally posted by will76ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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No you are making up dumb shit based upon your poor comprehention level, attacking and twisting my statements with irrelevent and inaccurate observations. That sir is why you are an idiot. you are doing it as everyone above has mentioned becasue you have a common intersted in sucking money out of people so you make more, and nothing else.
where you come up with second accounts I have no clue
Where you come up with how $4.00 conversions become .04 cent coversions
from the same downsell line and having a viable excuse is pretty humerous at best.
what this has to do with my choice of content, is again a lame way to take an deffensive attack to try and go offensive, but it's like the Chicago Bears passing game, weak and pathetic
Valid questions, Why would I ask you a question? You can't even take good advice from someone who knows business, has ethics and morals and knows when he's been wronged... You can't defend that. You can only adhere its advice, which is what this post is about.
ETHICS
If a company has no ethics, then its a company you should not be doing business with.. An obviously with this situation, it has been shown to me
this company has no ethics, and I did not care less about a resolution.. I knew its best to get far away from them
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