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Originally Posted by kane
any democrat strategy has to include one of two things:They either have to take away a republican state or two or they have to win Florida or Ohio. They came within a funky confused ballot and some shady happenings of winning Florida in 2000 and nearly won Ohio in 2004 (again more shady stuff here as well so you would have to expect that again)
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This isn't horseshoes ALMOST doesn't count. And if "shady" things did go on in 200 and 2004 what makes you think they won't go on again in those 2 states in 2008?
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It is a risk. What I am saying is that they are never going to win Texas or Oklahoma or Alabama or places like that so his being black doesn't matter in those states because they are lost. The states they can compete in, I feel, have less of a redneck vote and are a little more progressive so I think his being black is less of an issue.
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If plan A fails other than Ohio and Florida which red state will Clinton/Obama win?
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I don't think an Edwards/Richardson ticket is guarantee in any way. There are a lot of people (including democrats) that for some reason don't like Edwards. He has a smugness about him that turns a lot of people off and so far he hasn't even won one primary.
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That doesn't mean shit. To win a general election you need to win more than the 30% of the people that are a member of your party. By the way Bill Clinton came in 3rd In Iowa and 2nd in NH in 1992. How'd that work of for the "winners" of those primaries?
In 2000 McCain was CLEARLY the better GOP representative for President. Yes Bush won but we all pay for the GOPs idiocy 8 years ago. McCain would have beaten Gore easily in both the electoral vote and the popular vote and there wouldn't have been any issues with questionable goings on. because they elected Bush the GOP lost Congress in 2006. They'll keeping losing Congress in 2008 and they'll have a hard time winning the Presidency in 2008. Now if the GOP had nominated McCain in 200 none of this would have happened. Hindshight's a bitch sometimes. Seems the GOP has learned at least somewhat.
1984 Mondale, 1988 Dukakis, 2004 Kerry. Please tell me you HONESTLY believe these were the BEST choices for the dems.
I think all primaries should be open so that way the extremes in each party don't get to dictate which candidates get nominated. And ban caucuses. All states should have primaries.