Originally posted by Franck
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It's rocket science for Gods sake!
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there is a reward of $1.000.000 if you can PROOF its a hoax. So far nobody has claimed this money. So nobody has been able to proof its a hoax.
And yes we landed on the moon.Don't let greediness blur your vision | You gotta let some shit slide
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Originally posted by chadglni
If it was the same show you saw or not, that show already made about 100x as much sense as these websites Phoenix visits.
Let me see. Phoenix believes sites where people who have no clue about the moon, the equipment, nothing really simply take an example pic and say this is fake and that is fake. The show i saw discussed all these so called evidence why the landing was fake and proved it wrong. With ease. They were all very, very logical reasons.
Who makes more sense?Comment
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Originally posted by grumpy
Ofcourse not hahaha.
Funny, i didnt even know that. But it doesnt surprise me at all.
Phoenix, why dont you go claim the money.
Dont you have proof?Comment
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Originally posted by mackey
Funny how plausible stories like this get ignored yet they believe idiot sites created by kids with too much time who werent even born when they landed on the moon. That makes so much sense.Comment
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My point about the show I saw was, they debunked shit that should have never been passed for truth in the first place. They only went after the theories that no sane person would consider anyhow.Originally posted by Franck
Aside from the absolutely retarded design of everything what I would personally question is how everything was protected for extreme heat and cold? How everything was protected from radiation? Were they expecting flat terrain when they put car tires on the Lunar Rover?
Now I'm not pretending to know either way on any of this, just pointing out some of the things I find interesting. The best way I can put it is this...
Say you never heard anything about people traveling to the moon in your life. It was never in the news etc. Then today the government announced that they had been to the moon decades ago when technology was subpar. As proof of this they show you the official photos from NASA that look like a 12 year old with a bad imagination drew. What would you think? Would you take it at face value no matter what because the gov said it?Comment
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Originally posted by chadglni
I just dont see the problem with these pics. They were shot, most of them, from the hip without even seeing what they shot. Needless to say the cams back then were nothing compared to what they are today. It was shot on the moon. Noone had experience shooting there. They had lights all over the place which causes odd shadows and odd lighting. Honestly, i wouldnt expect anything else than the pics ive seen. I find it completely normal they way they look knowing the circumstances they were shot in.Comment
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"Space radiation was brought to public attentionOriginally posted by Phoenix
as one of the unique problems of manned space flight
when the Van Allen belts were discovered in 1958."
Source- http://www.braeunig.us/space/69-19.htm
This is a good page. I've never seen it before... http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
I'm starting to think you and I don't agree on ANYTHING Phoenix
From the Earth to the Moon is a great DVD collection btw.
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Originally posted by Franck
they had no outside lighting dude
have you seen the size of the craft? think they brought a few extra photographers along as well?
i have to actually work hard today...but ill be back with some intersting clips...since you are at least open to discussion im going to forward you a dvd with reputable people discussing it...and you can draw your own conclusionsTelegram PhoenixBrad
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franck, we went over this last month with chksht or whatever his name is. Conspiracy loons do not believe the burden of proof lies with them. They believe that because something is said/written down/posted on the internet that it is valid and must be DISproved - the exact opposite of the scientific method.Originally posted by Franck
In order to prove a hypothesis, one must consider the Null Hypothesis - in this case, for the conspiracy nutjob, the null hypothesis is "The US landed on the moon". Now, the job is to prove the null hypothesis FALSE therby confirming the Hypothesis "the US did not land on the moon".
But, we all know that science, facts and logical thought have no place in conspiracy theory. It is entertainment for the simple mind - an escape from unflappable, boring reality... an inability to think objectively and seperate emotion from reason. Quite simply, conspiracy theory is romantic.. it satiates fundamental human desires.I died.Comment
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So we can send those Voyager things 3 billion miles to look at Neptune.
We can intercept a comet traveling faster then a rifle bullet..
but we can't land men 250k miles away on the moon?
Do you know how huge that conspiracey would have to be? How many people would have to be involved?
You fix boxing matches not basketball games.7Comment
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Originally posted by Phoenix
Ive seen most of the clips dude. And sorry, i dont care about clips coming from the same people who claim that small hole was the hole caused by the plane.Comment
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Phoenix, why dont you go claim that 1 million dollar reward? Or one of the owners of those websites full of proof?Comment
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Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
Yup, i know, you're totally right. It's pathetic.Comment
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The same thing can be said in reverse. Just replace "because it's posted online" with "because the government said so".Originally posted by DollarmansteveComment
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They had lights all over the place which causes odd shadows and odd lighting.Originally posted by Franck
Yeah, they took all this lighting equipment to the moon. They had no room for all that shit!
If anyone wants to read many proofs of why the mission was a fake go to Amazon and read Dark Moon.
But the biggest proof we never went.
We never went back!Last edited by INever; 03-02-2006, 09:02 AM.Comment
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???Originally posted by INever
We went back six times.Comment
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No, it can't really. Do you believe in the existence of the Saturn V rocket or the space shuttle, or Houston mission control, etc.. because the government said so? No, you believe in these things because they are real and they exist beyond any reasonable doubt.Originally posted by chadglni
There is far too much transparency with regards to this issue for 'the government' to control the information.
Lots of people will come in this thread and say things like "open your mind" and "you're all sheep" etc.. and suggest websites and books and all kinds of things.
I suggest that anyone who is really leaning towards believing these insane theories should study things like Logic, the Philosphy of thought and basic Scientific methods. This will give you objective, unbiased tools to analyze hypotheses and theories and make you comfortable in your ability to dismiss obviously crack-pot theories without emotion that clouds otherwise rational thought.I died.Comment
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Originally posted by INeverThey had lights all over the place which causes odd shadows and odd lighting.
Yeah, they took all this lighting equipment to the moon. They had no room for all that shit!
If anyone wants to read many proofs of why the mission was a fake go to Amazon and read Dark Moon.
But the biggest proof we never went.
We never went back!
Why dont you go claim your million dollars dude?Comment
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Well couple decades before moon landing Pearl Harbor was left intentionally to be destroyed by Japanese. (fully documented at this point) Pulling a fake moon landing it would be just one more record in US govts of things you'll learn when the truth has only historic value.Comment
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You post as if someone can scientifically prove that they were faked. A little impossible?Originally posted by DollarmansteveComment
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The Pearl Harbor documents are a hoax.Originally posted by Soul_RebelComment
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Originally posted by MattO
Thank you.
I am amazed that Jim thinks that whatever technology that was available to to his kid was the limitations of what was available to the general public.Comment
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If someone is going to say that the photos are fake then yes, the burden of proof lies with them to scientifically prove beyond any reasonable doubt that they are fake.Originally posted by chadglniI died.Comment
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Pearl Harbor wasn't left intentionally.. Japan hit our Pacific fleet that was based at Pearl Harbor with a surprise attack7Comment
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Oh lord. You can't scientifically prove they aren't fake. Doesn't mean they are, that's idiot logic.Originally posted by DollarmansteveComment
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No they are not. There's a top journalist Alexis Papahelas that did the full research again from the beginning after it was disputed that lasted for months. His documentary shows all evidences someone needs to draw a proper conclusion. At that point everything is upon interpretation. I don't believe in any govts good faith, it's an illusion.Comment
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I have to admit, some of you really scare me sometimes.Comment
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Originally posted by chadglni
.. whats so funny?7Comment
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Blind faith scares me. Sort of like Christians and Bush fanatics.Originally posted by baddogComment
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Hello, idiots, answer me. Why dont you go claim your million dollars with the tons of evidence you have?Comment
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Well atleast this conspiracy isn't as retarded as the Pentagon attack one..
than again - it probably is
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Don't you rmember? It's up to us to provide more evidence that we actually went!Originally posted by Franck
From the looks of it - they won't believe it unless we actually send them to the moon7Comment
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Correction: We never went back since the early 1970s. 30 years ago.
Don't tell me it's the lack of money. They can print that!
Using the words 'conspiracy' and 'nutjob' is an Orwellian mind-control technique. It makes intellectual expression synonymous with the word 'thoughtcrime' for anyone who does not parrot the party line in the belief that they will always benefit from the status quo.Last edited by INever; 03-02-2006, 09:47 AM.Comment
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Why not? If they are fake then presumably there would be ample, direct evidence to prove it. Perhaps you are confused by my use of the term 'scientifically', I just mean to prove using a scientific method as described above. If someone is going to claim something is true, then they should prove it... you need to dismiss the possibility of the photos being REAL, this is the only way to claim with certainty that the photos are fake. It needs to be shown that it is IMPOSSIBLE that the photos are real in order to support the hypothesis of fakeness. How is that idiot logic? And yes, it is very possible to do this the other way around, that is to dismiss the possiblilty that the photos are fake. Without too much explanation, there are several photos which could only be produced in an environment that featured very low-gravity and the absence of an atmposphere - very similar to conditions on the moon. Basically, there needs to exist a film studio/desert that has about 1/3 the Earth's gravity and be a vacuum with no atmoshpere.Originally posted by chadglniI died.Comment
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I remember when they found a big red london bus on the moon. Now you try telling me that was a hoax too!Comment
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Probably because there is no reason to go back.Originally posted by INeverCorrection: We never went back since the early 1970s. 30 years ago. Don't tell me it's the money. They can print that!
They can't just "print" more money to pay for shit either.. thats not how it works at all
Oh.. he knewOriginally posted by INever
Did Japan tell him in advance?
Prehaps he asked Japan to do it?
A conspiracy is defined as a secret agreement between two or more people to perform an unlawful act.Originally posted by INever
Usually they don't work when hundreds or thousands of people are involved.
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We most probably went to the moon... We certainly had the technology at least and no good evidences exists to suggest that we didnt go... The moon landing hoax theory is often use to discredit anyone who believe in a conspiracy insinuating that they are all the same.. all crazy... And I see that Franck seems to have fell for it..Comment
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you stupid fucking sheep. the moon is made of cheese. when will you open your eyes and stop believing everything the government tells you? http://www.planetfusion.co.uk/~pignut/cheese.html
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Wtf are you talking about moron.Comment
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Lt Colonel isn't very high at all. It's an O5, alot of them in the military.Originally posted by G-Rotica
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I also believe the moon landing may have been faked due to the radiation exposure the astronauts would have been subjected to. Call me crazy, but I'm always willing to keep an open mind, especially based on new evidence / information.Comment
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the suits they were wearing didnt have radioactive protection..neither did the craft
look it up
the russians kept getting dead russians when they got sent up too far.
why havent we gone back?
why were all the top nasa officials ex nazi scientists?
what kind of funding did they stand to lose if they got some american heroes killed in space?
id like to think we went.....but have alook at the takeoff from the moon, at an early age that stood out in my mind as odd.Telegram PhoenixBrad
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The russians watched it and intercepted radio transmissions. If it was faked the russians definitely would have told the world about it because we were in a race to see who could get to the moon first.
Plus, with the first moon landing they placed a small reflector on the surface that nasa has been bouncing lasers off of ever since http://sunearth.gsfc.nasa.gov/eclips...olloLaser.htmlTraffic-Out
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With the asshats we currently have in the White House, I can understand the urge to express skepticism at the veracity of the US government.
But we went to the moon... anyone that thinks otherwise, feel free to use this page as a starting point for your research:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_L...ing_Experiment
Feel free to give people involved in that project a call... it's my understanding they're always happy to talk to people.-D.
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at this point i dont believe anything anymore what governments are saying. Its all lies for their own pockets one way or the other, and its always been that way.Comment
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"To reach the Moon astronauts would have to travel through the Van Allen Radiation Belts, resulting in lethal doses of radiation."Originally posted by Phoenix
This is a claim the hoax advocates often make, but it is a gross exaggeration and simply not supported by the data. Radiation was a definite concern for NASA before the first space flights, but they invested a great deal of research into it and determined the hazard was minimal. It took Apollo about an hour to pass through the radiation belts - once on the outbound trip and once again on the return trip. The total radiation dose received by the astronauts was about one rem. A person will experience radiation sickness with a dose of 100-200 rem, and death with a dose of 300+ rem. Clearly the doses received fall well below anything that could be considered a significant risk. Despite claims that "lead shielding meters thick would have been needed", NASA found it unnecessary to provide any special radiation shielding.
The hoax advocates also make the mistake of limiting themselves to two-dimensional thinking. The Van Allen Radiation Belts consist of a doughnut-shaped region centered around the Earth's magnetic equator, and spanning about 40 degrees of latitude - 20 degrees above and below the magnetic equator. The translunar trajectories followed by the Apollo spacecraft were typically inclined about 30 degrees to the Earth's equator, therefore Apollo bypassed all but the edges of the radiation belts.
http://www.braeunig.us/space/hoax.htm
I'm not sure how many dead Russian astronauts there were, so I can't comment.
What NEED is there to go back?
I hadn't heard about the ex-nazi scientists, so again, can't comment.
Wouldn't they have lost their funding after Apollo 1 killed 3 astronauts on the ground?Comment
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