Warning to talent looking to work for Kink

RUH ROH.

I hearby declare this land the property of her royal majesty Queen Meow.

don't girls know what will happen before the shoot? don't they look at the content that is usually done? especially when shooting for such a site?

Wow, I've often wondered how they get girls to do such things.. I gotta say it makes for great porno, and they DO have the girls smiling at the end of every set.. Do they force the smiles?

From their site:

http://www.kink.com/values.php
http://www.kink.com/modelrights.php
Rules for Directors: http://www.kink.com/shootingrules.php

talent should know what they are getting into and leave when its gone too far. I'm sorry she couldn't do either one of those things and i hope she's ok ..

I'd imagine she had to know what to expect going in.

I sort of thought they were supposed to be good about what the talent was and was not down for. In what way did she let them know she did not want to do anything they did anyway?

Right from their site...

If I have any complaints about my experiences, I can direct them to the company owner, **** at [email protected] or 900 900 9000

Nice, nice...
WG

I saw that too, the nospam and fake number, but it would seem to me that document is given to their models in full form obviously

I wanna see the contract...

i think the girls do know what they are getting into, they can see the videos, but i'm sure some of them when the action gets rolling realize it's a lot more than they bargained for and are intimidated and scared. none of us know what the people there are like when a girl protests or shows signs of freaking out on set - pretty thin line. very unique world - people aren't supposed to be comfortable shooting that stuff, so tears, and even maybe somebody saying 'no' are part of it all - so when does 'no' really mean 'no' in that world?

Do the models think that the activities on that type of site are pretend? Maybe not all of them have seen the site ahead of time. In that case, what are they telling the models in advance?

Is there not some kind of safe word established so that the model can inform the other people involved when they really mean that they've had enough and need out?

If they are indeed not stopping when a model has had enough, or they are subjecting her to activities she has not agreed to or specifically stated she will not take part in, they are abusing the model. That would be very frightening.

I would hope that if this were happening, something would get done about it.

yeah, i would think so too

not that i would have any experience with that... ahem...

but: quite often girls just see the money and think they can handle what ever is going to happen. we do very tame stuff compared to kink, but when a girl is hired by them she would be beyond stupid to think that she would get away with something like a handjob

yes there is a safe word. I have a hard time believing this. They have well known BDSM models who are willing to return for literally dozens of shoots. Why would these performers do it if they were being abused? Does this model claim that things were done to her even after she asked them to stop?

also, they are the only BDSM site or network I can think of that posts their rules and values (as above) for literally the world to see. It just doesn't make sense.

They have dozens of employees, are easily the largest bondage/BDSM network in the world, work in the USA, and are overly aware of the laws. I would highly doubt they went over the line, they just went over *this* girl's line.

There *is* a safe word, and if they didn't abide by their rules, they're easily legally liable.

I feel bad for the girl, but I think it would be a cold day in hell when they risked their entire multi million dollar business over a single shoot.

safe word motherufckers, safe word!!!!

Wow... I don't mean to be insensitive but wow... I actually want to watch this shit now.

FYI: My safeword is "Elbow".

Which, by the way, happens to be itching after reading this thread....

If she feels she was assulted call the cops. After all it is on tape. Duh.

why? talent has been taking advantage of me for years and years. showing up completely fucked up with a bunch of assholes, showing up looking like they've been up for two weeks, showing up dirty, showing up 2 hours late, demanding more money in the middle of the shoot, telling lies about me after they leave, stealing stuff from my house and my family, not bothering to show up at all. -bmb

I'm not into BDSM, but I know several performers that have worked with Kink numerous times, and none have every complained about them (even though I would never do the stuff they did). In fact, they say they were treated great and were paid very well.

My friend Annie Cruz has done probably a dozen extreme scenes for Kink and will be shooting with them again later this week.

As Socks stated, Kink has too much to lose, to risk everything over one model. I'm sure they have everything on film to defend themselves.

Besides, I could be wrong, but I don't think they allow blood in their scenes.

Ricky, did you talk at anyone at Kink?

ADG

Yeah, it just seems like kind of a serious allegation to make anonymously without key details.

I mean, if it is true, I would stop promoting them. I think a lot of people would.

But it just seems unlikely that it is true, especially if the allegedly aggrieved party won't come forward.

Also, nice lolkitties, AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

I feel bad for her, but she had to know what was in store for her. I dont see a reputable company risking there business and just not stopping when she asked.

I smell bullshit

You got to be kidding. I would never think that would ever happened to models based on what I see on their sites.

If I were talent, I'd love to shoot for Kink sites.

They probably won't use the scene because she was saying to stop the entire time. The shoot was stopped several times because of her complaints, but they still went back to what they were doing.

She watched scenes from the sites before, it wasn't her first time doing this stuff. They did things to her that they don't normally do on the site, and with a gag in her mouth did things she specifically didn't want. How does someone say to stop when you have a gag in?

This is just a warning, I am not looking for any kind of promotion or publicity or compensation that's why I didn't attach my sig. I just wanted to let the girls know that they don't always let you know what you're in for.

I'm not going to be replying anymore to this subject, this was meant as a warning if anything.

From their site - http://www.kink.com/modelrights.php

I will be given (and should demand) a recognizable safeword in the event that I am gagged or otherwise unable to say "RED". This can be a verbal "Uh-Uh" or a non-verbal signal such as a hand signal.

It was her third shoot? I assume the first two went ok?? Disturbing.

I think you are taking it up with the wrong people.
Not much talent posts here.

If it happened thats fucked up but if this was her three time it makes no sense.Maybe a new director?

yeah, right. The shoot stopped, but was resumed. Sounds like that friend of yours had a change of heart of some sort and is trying to throw shit on these guys. If a model doesn't want to continue and the shoot is stopped because of that, model normally dresses up and leaves the fuck off. If she got back to shooting, back to being tied up and all that shit, I doubt she really wanted to leave. The entire story is fishy, she's got some side interests we are not told about...

ricky, you and your girlfriend need to move on. See you at mcdonalds

What's the girls name, does she really exist? Why isn't she posting here? She should get it resolved with the people at Kink and if you can't prove anything it sounds like you should keep these sorts of allegations to yourself. It almost sounds like a crime was committed and a public forum is no place to accuse people of a crime, go to the cops!!

While I really question the purpose of posting something that is supposed to warn models on a webmaster board, this needs to be set straight.

The Kink.com Shooting Rules that have been referred to in an earlier post are always followed by Kink.com directors. Kink.com hires directors who are into the lifestyle of the niche they shoot and are very experienced before they come to work for us. Kink.com has regular training for directors and crew so that models are not abused. Kink.com?s goal is to produce the best content of its kind; Kink.com hires the best directors and hires models that know what they are doing.

It is very important to point out that at Kink.com, any person on a Kink.com set can stop the scene. The model, director, videographers, grips, or any other person on that set that believes the scene should be stopped has the power to do so. At Kink.com, a scene will not continue if anyone believes it should stop.

At Kink.com, the model first meets with the talent department where the scene is explained. The model is given the Model Rights to read. The rights are explained to the model, and it is made very clear that the model can use the safeword to stop the scene at any time. The talent department also explains that if a model chooses to stop a scene and not continue, she WILL get paid for the time she has put in. For example, if a model has been promised $1000 for a 2 hour scene and quits at 1 hour, she is still paid $500.
After the model has met with the talent department, then the director also explains the scene and explains how to use the safeword. The model and director discuss the scene and the boundaries. Kink.com requires that the model and director practice the safeword before starting the scene. This not only insures that the model understands the safeword, but helps to enforce the fact that the model DOES have the power to stop the scene.

After the scene is finished, there is a post-scene interview. This is done for every model and every scene. The pre- and post-scene interviews from this model are being encoded right now and will be uploaded in the morning, unedited, for everyone to view.

Kink.com treats their models with respect. At no time would a model want to stop a scene and the scene not be stopped. No model is ever forced into doing something she does not want to do. Kink.com has NEVER paid hush money to keep a model quiet, because we have never had any reason to engage in that kind of shady behavior.

Since we have a pre- and post-scene interview with every model we are now encoding those interviews. We will upload the pre-scene interview to show that the model knew exactly what she was going to do before the shoot. We will upload the over 5 minute post-scene interview to show she was not forced to do anything she did not want to do.

Kink.com is proud of the content we produce. The models are treated with respect so that they will come back and shoot with us again. The truth is that what happened at that shoot did not happen the way it was posted.







I do not believe I have privileges to post the links here, so if one of the moderators could upgrade my account to allow me to post the links, I will post links to the pre-scene and post-scene interviews in the morning. They are being encoded now.

Chad Belville
Senior Counsel, Kink.com

looks like you can safely post links. Members can't post links only if they have less than 30 posts (you have over 200)

please post links, cause this thread smells of so much bullshit it makes me nauseous...

Great response Chad...

Simply because someone feels remorse after the fact, especially for something which they were made aware about and paid for (and it is the model's third time working for Kink), this is not cause for action, or to try and impugn the reputation of a company that has the respect of most people in the industry.

Personally, I dislike extreme content, especially when it suggests violence against women (or men for that matter), however when you take into account the process Kink has in place, I see know grounds for complaint.

If the model wants to make it a criminal or civil issue, there are avenues for that. Using a forum to make claims seems frivolous at best, and malicious at worst.



ADG

Thanks Pornask. I thought it was 1000 posts or something like that.

The interviews are both being encoded now and I had promised to post the links in the morning, but I will stay late so if the encoders get them done and uploaded I will post links tonight.

I still can't believe that no one from kink has actually posted in this thread yet.. so many views and replies as well...

looks like Chad is from Kink

I am the senior counsel from Kink and posted as such. My response is the first official response. Persons who were directly involved with the actual shoot will be posting shortly.

where do I sign up ?

Oh I didn't know I figured you were just posting legal advice and opinion

No worries.

Response from Marty, the Director of WhippedAss.com:

As the director of this shoot, I can tell you that the shoot did not happen the way it was described here. The model was treated with dignity and respect, exactly how we treat every model. I gave her as much information about the scene as possible, and let her know that she was in control.

I let her know that it's ultimately up to her with how intense the shoot will be and that we'd work within her limits and what she was comfortable with. I made sure she knew her safe word, which was "red" and that if a gag was in her mouth, her non-verbal safe word would then be "uh-uh" or to shake her head from side to side. As I do with all models, I checked in with her multiple times throughout each scene and made sure she was ok even without her using the safe word.

Before the shoot, she let us know that she was on her period. She specifically requested to try anal and was very excited about it, though it was to be her first time. We gave her plenty of time off camera to prep and there was no blood on the dildo after.

It was cold in that particular set and we realized that one heater wasn't enough, so we added a second heater that warmed the set up. There was running water in the room but it was completely dry around the shooting area.

We used a small shocking device that she agreed to have tested on her without cameras to see if she was ok with it and she said it was fine. In the post interview she actually says that the shocker was scary but wasn't actually as painful as she expected.

I, along with the rest of the staff, did everything possible to make her experience a safe, consensual, sane and enjoyable as possible. She absolutely was not forced to do anything against her will. She showed no signs of being traumatized after the shoot. She seemed happy and in good spirits.

The pre & post interviews are being encoded right now, and we will be posting them here on GFY so that everyone can view for themselves.

Cheers,

Marty
Director of WhippedAss.com