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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays
i think a lot of this crap comes from what is sort of a muttled or totally absent cultural identity. people recite so many cliches about freedom, "the american dream" etc because otherwise, they have no clue who they are. i think you don't have this so much in other countries that are older and have a rich and unique cultural history and identity. so its easy for people to constantly push and redefine ideas according to their own whims... wheras, in Sweden or Russia or almost anywhere else for example, it wouldn't happen to a such an extreme degree.
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Well States basically started from the scratch, it always was a mixture of all different nationalities whereas the stronger dogs fucked the most..
And lots of the history truly ain't nice, the imperial slaughtering of indians, the slavery and persecution till the early 60's, the gun culture, the mob.. that all is very exciting but definitely not something States would like to be reminded of - so they just went to the other extreme, those who they regarded as shit were overnight turned to those that CAN'T be touched.
Basically you have to create something people can stick to, as i realized - the whole history lessons how they are taught in the States are also very much patriotically biased.
Let's take as example the very much spread opinion that "it was US who won the world war II" for example - yes they did - but in Pacific only, slaughtering Japanese forces with the 1:22 ratio with their bombing apocalypse.
Measured from the mere armed viewpoint US invasion on Sicily was some of the worst displays of how to lead a war in similar environment, Kesselring was able to keep them the front in Italy till 45 only with what has left there. Remember Monte Casino?
The contribution to the invasion to Normandy proved to be also succesfull mainly due to the total exhaustion of fuel and goods on the German side. But the personalities such as George Patton are till today incredibly overestimated.
That is no disrespect to the soldiers that died in Europe beeing a part of the allied forces, but a historical fact that can be confirmed by any unbiased world war II historician. US had in fact way more an economical then physical impact on why the Allied forces won and earned also incredible revenue from the war, then they reinvested that back (thanks to that).
This actually reminds me how history was taught in the Eastern Block - Russia is the only country with comparable patriotism as US, Russians are those who won the world war II, and people are almost ready to kill you if you touch their "truth".