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  • StuartD
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    • Jul 2002
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    #1

    For those designers who know less than nothing about html....

    1.jpg is NOT the same thing as 1.JPG.

    k? Thanks.
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  • u-Bob
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    • Jul 2005
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    #2
    and \fubar\lala.jpg is not the same as /fubar/lala.jpg

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    • EdgeXXX
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      • Oct 2005
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      #3
      Originally posted by u-Bob
      and \fubar\lala.jpg is not the same as /fubar/lala.jpg

      and not the same as /fubar/Lala.jpg
      .
      .
      .
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      • who
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        • Aug 2003
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        #4
        and not the same as /fubar/Lala.JPG

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        • Scott McD
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          • Nov 2002
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          #5


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          • 3piece chicken Dinner
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            • Jan 2005
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            #6
            And not the same as /fubar/Jane.jpg
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            • sinnerscorner
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              • Jul 2004
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              #7
              A designer designs and makes a site / tour webready so the person
              who orders the design only have to upload the web ready slices and html he/ she designed. If it is not working hell ..... yeah that sucks!
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              • blazi
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                • Feb 2003
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                #8
                some VERY good advice in this thread LMAO

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                • aico
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                  • Mar 2004
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                  #9
                  the World would be a better place if everyone just used lowercase...

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                  • StuartD
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                    • Jul 2002
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by sinnerscorner
                    A designer designs and makes a site / tour webready so the person
                    who orders the design only have to upload the web ready slices and html he/ she designed. If it is not working hell ..... yeah that sucks!
                    Originally posted by aico
                    the World would be a better place if everyone just used lowercase...
                    exactly

                    and

                    exactly

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                    • sinnerscorner
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                      • Jul 2004
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                      #11
                      A designer'created something do you really think he/she
                      cares about upper or lowercase? A search and replace can fix
                      lot although I agree a good designer should make its work
                      webready .
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                      • Blizzard
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                        #12
                        I'm sorry, but what does that have to do with HTML?
                        That's a UNIX filesystem thing, not HTML.

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                        • StuartD
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by sinnerscorner
                          A designer'created something do you really think he/she
                          cares about upper or lowercase? A search and replace can fix
                          lot although I agree a good designer should make its work
                          webready .
                          A designer should be able to see that images aren't loading in their own designs before sending them off to the client.
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                          • wdforty
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                            • Jul 2004
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                            #14
                            I hate it when I see designers use the default photoshop HTML for tours with 30 little spacer images in it.
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                            • aico
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                              • Mar 2004
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                              #15
                              sinnerscorner, said and I quote "A designer'created something do you really think he/she
                              cares about upper or lowercase? A search and replace can fix
                              lot although I agree a good designer should make its work
                              webready ."

                              A good designer does... just like we care about how our designs look when they are printed.

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                              • sinnerscorner
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                                • Jul 2004
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by StuartD
                                A designer should be able to see that images aren't loading in their own designs before sending them off to the client.

                                Offcourse it should work at the local pc / mac whatever if that does not work
                                ........hmmmm it is probably not a good designer, but my point is .... ehmmm
                                a designer is imho a sort of an artist who can create cooooool looking websites,
                                if you bother him/ her too much about technical or operating system issues
                                he/ she will likely be less creative in some way I guess.

                                Just my 2.
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                                • Amp
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                                  • Nov 2001
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                                  #17
                                  I hate teenagers that think because they downloaded a ripped copy of PS from their favorite warez site, somehow that gives them license to start spouting off about "I'm a designer! And I have something relevant to say!"


                                  you fucking idiots should really check yourselves.

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                                  • nadanada
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                                    • Apr 2004
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by aico
                                    the World would be a better place if everyone just used lowercase...
                                    i wholeheartedly agree

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                                    • aico
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                                      • Mar 2004
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                                      #19
                                      sinnerscorner said, and I quote, "Offcourse it should work at the local pc / mac whatever if that does not work
                                      ........hmmmm it is probably not a good designer, but my point is .... ehmmm
                                      a designer is imho a sort of an artist who can create cooooool looking websites,
                                      if you bother him/ her too much about technical or operating system issues
                                      he/ she will likely be less creative in some way I guess.

                                      Just my 2."


                                      That's why there are so many people out there who call themself a designer. There's way more to being a graphic designer than making shit "look cool". Good designers know the technical stuff.

                                      As far as webdesign goes, you should at minimum know basic HTML & CSS, how to optimize images to their best potential, screen sizes, when to use a GIF or a JPEG, plus a bunch more that comes with these.

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                                      • sonofsam
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                                        • Dec 2004
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by StuartD
                                        A designer should be able to see that images aren't loading in their own designs before sending them off to the client.
                                        i've had that problem many times, so i'll share what helped me

                                        a program called Total Commander

                                        http://www.ghisler.com/

                                        completely free

                                        you can set it to mass rename every .jpg to .JPG or vise versa...

                                        if the pics are already online, you can make it login to the ftp and mass rename that way too

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                                        • StuartD
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                                          • Jul 2002
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by sonofsam
                                          i've had that problem many times, so i'll share what helped me

                                          a program called Total Commander

                                          http://www.ghisler.com/

                                          completely free

                                          you can set it to mass rename every .jpg to .JPG or vise versa...

                                          if the pics are already online, you can make it login to the ftp and mass rename that way too


                                          Thanks, but just having ssh access does that for me. However, it doesn't help much when 5 pics out of 15 are .jpg and the other 10 are .JPG.

                                          I have to then be renaming files AND edit the html.

                                          Even then, it wouldn't be quite so bad if it was just one time... however...
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                                          • Rui
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                                            • Dec 2001
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                                            #22
                                            I find it hard to belive any so called designer doesn't know this...I mean...

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                                            • sinnerscorner
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                                              • Jul 2004
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by aico
                                              That's why there are so many people out there who call themself a designer. There's way more to being a graphic designer than making shit "look cool". Good designers know the technical stuff.

                                              It is a beneift when designers know more about implementing a design on
                                              an unix / windows / server but basically I think a designer ' creates a design
                                              I do not agree with you about the '' Good designers know the technical stuff"
                                              part . IMHO a good designer is a freak in designing pages / logo's banners
                                              whatever he / she created cool stufff. how it is put on the server eventually ,, who cares that is for the
                                              tech nerds.
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                                              • aico
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                                                • Mar 2004
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                                                #24
                                                sinnerscorner, said and I quote, "It is a beneift when designers know more about implementing a design on
                                                an unix / windows / server but basically I think a designer ' creates a design
                                                I do not agree with you about the '' Good designers know the technical stuff"
                                                part . IMHO a good designer is a freak in designing pages / logo's banners
                                                whatever he / she created cool stufff. how it is put on the server eventually ,, who cares that is for the
                                                tech nerds."

                                                Obviously you haven't been to design school, and/or haven't worked for a design firm. So you can disagree, but you'd be wrong.

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                                                • DamageX
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                                                  • Jun 2001
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by StuartD
                                                  1.jpg is NOT the same thing as 1.JPG.

                                                  k? Thanks.
                                                  That has ZERO to do with HTML.
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                                                  • aico
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                                                    • Mar 2004
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                                                    #26
                                                    DamageX said, and I quote, "That has ZERO to do with HTML."


                                                    Really? By knowing HTML I know that a page that has that tag <img src="image.JPG"> will not load an image called image.jpg

                                                    So seems to me that is does have something to do with knowing HTML.

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                                                    • StuartD
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by DamageX
                                                      That has ZERO to do with HTML.
                                                      I'm sorry, should I start breaking down the intricacies of file name structures amongst various programming and operating system platforms for the sake of the designers who can't even get the html right? Or do ya think that might be a tad much for them?

                                                      But hey, you sounded smart for a second there. Good work!
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                                                      • DamageX
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                                                        • Jun 2001
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by aico
                                                        DamageX said, and I quote, "That has ZERO to do with HTML."


                                                        Really? By knowing HTML I know that a page that has that tag <img src="image.JPG"> will not load an image called image.jpg

                                                        So seems to me that is does have something to do with knowing HTML.
                                                        Nope, it doesn't. If you have no idea that *nix OS's will see lowercase and uppercase letters as different, then its is not your fault. Being familiar with various OS's filesystems is not a requirement for doing design.
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                                                        • DamageX
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by StuartD
                                                          I'm sorry, should I start breaking down the intricacies of file name structures amongst various programming and operating system platforms for the sake of the designers who can't even get the html right? Or do ya think that might be a tad much for them?

                                                          But hey, you sounded smart for a second there. Good work!
                                                          See above.
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                                                          • aico
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                                                            #30
                                                            Wow dude, you got me there... lol.

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                                                            Funny how I know nothing about server operating systems and don't give a rats ass to know about it, yet I know that if I change .JPG and .jpg images might not load...

                                                            If you missed the point of his post, we can't really help you there, but keep patting yourself on the back for being so smart about *nix or whatever you said.

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                                                            • StuartD
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by DamageX
                                                              Being familiar with various OS's filesystems is not a requirement for doing design.
                                                              No, but it is a requirement for doing GOOD design that works when it should and doesn't just create more work for the client.
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                                                              • modF
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                                                                #32
                                                                You think that's bad? The other day someone sent me galleries with SRC="C:\Docume...." in it.. wtf.

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                                                                • DamageX
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by aico
                                                                  Wow dude, you got me there... lol.

                                                                  If I had a trophy, you'd be sure to get it.


                                                                  Funny how I know nothing about server operating systems and don't give a rats ass to know about it, yet I know that if I change .JPG and .jpg images might not load...

                                                                  If you missed the point of his post, we can't really help you there, but keep patting yourself on the back for being so smart about *nix or whatever you said.
                                                                  Congratulations, you sure told me. Your mother must be very proud. You're still wrong though, but hey, as long as it makes you feel good that you told me off. You're a winner in my book.
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                                                                  • StuartD
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by modF
                                                                    You think that's bad? The other day someone sent me galleries with SRC="C:\Docume...." in it.. wtf.
                                                                    Now that must have been a top level designer!
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                                                                    • DamageX
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by StuartD
                                                                      No, but it is a requirement for doing GOOD design that works when it should and doesn't just create more work for the client.
                                                                      I could get all anal and ask you to define design, as per human computer interaction guidelines. Not gonna do that though. I agree with you here, in order to create readily usable stuff, that would be a requirement. My people have gotten slapped upside the head quite a few times, until they learned this. Good thing I always double check and rarely let anything slip through to the client. It DOES waste a lot of my time though, so I sure understand your frustration.
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                                                                      • aico
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                                                                        • Mar 2004
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        I am sorry, how exactly am I wrong? I didn't state any facts other than about myself, and I am pretty sure I know more about myself than you...

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                                                                        • polle54
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          that is for those who absolutely don't know shit because that is a lesson you learn quick
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                                                                          • aico
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                                                                            • Mar 2004
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            DamageX said, and I quote, "I could get all anal and ask you to define design, as per human computer interaction guidelines. Not gonna do that though. I agree with you here, in order to create readily usable stuff, that would be a requirement. My people have gotten slapped upside the head quite a few times, until they learned this. Good thing I always double check and rarely let anything slip through to the client. It DOES waste a lot of my time though, so I sure understand your frustration."

                                                                            Here I will quote Gregg Berryman, from his book "Notes on graphic design and visual communication", which any one who has ever been to design school refers to as the bible of graphic design.

                                                                            "Graphic design is NOT art. The fine artist has an audience of only one (herself or himself). The Graphic Designer deals with a mass audience of sometimes milllions. INTENT is different. Often a graphic design looks like art (and vice versa). Materials and techniques are similar. Both artist and design solve visual problems. The artist satisfies self while the designer must move groups of people to attend an event, follow a sign, understand a map, learn a scientific principle, or buy a product.

                                                                            Graphic Designers attempt to achieve visual solutions that are FUNCTIONAL, elegant, appropriate, simple and economical. They solve problems that range from the simplicity of a sales poster to the complexity of a sign system for an international airport."

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                                                                            • DamageX
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                                                                              • Jun 2001
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by aico
                                                                              DamageX said, and I quote, "I could get all anal and ask you to define design, as per human computer interaction guidelines. Not gonna do that though. I agree with you here, in order to create readily usable stuff, that would be a requirement. My people have gotten slapped upside the head quite a few times, until they learned this. Good thing I always double check and rarely let anything slip through to the client. It DOES waste a lot of my time though, so I sure understand your frustration."

                                                                              Here I will quote Gregg Berryman, from his book "Notes on graphic design and visual communication", which any one who has ever been to design school refers to as the bible of graphic design.

                                                                              "Graphic design is NOT art. The fine artist has an audience of only one (herself or himself). The Graphic Designer deals with a mass audience of sometimes milllions. INTENT is different. Often a graphic design looks like art (and vice versa). Materials and techniques are similar. Both artist and design solve visual problems. The artist satisfies self while the designer must move groups of people to attend an event, follow a sign, understand a map, learn a scientific principle, or buy a product.

                                                                              Graphic Designers attempt to achieve visual solutions that are FUNCTIONAL, elegant, appropriate, simple and economical. They solve problems that range from the simplicity of a sales poster to the complexity of a sign system for an international airport."
                                                                              Feel proud now? You managed to prove that you can't even define design. All you did was quote someone's words on GRAPHIC design. Anyway, I'm out. You know what they say about arguing on the interwebs. You just won. Someone post the KB pic.
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                                                                              • aico
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                LOL, why would I define design when this thread is about DESIGNERS?

                                                                                ya you better run... lol the smell of shit from talking out your ass must be overwhelming.

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                                                                                • modF
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by StuartD
                                                                                  Now that must have been a top level designer!

                                                                                  Oh nothing short of the cream of the crop....

                                                                                  While I'm feeling a bit of aggression here, wtf is with designers who don't have working sites with portfolios and prices. Now I can understand if you want people to contact you for pricing to get a one on one with a conversation. But I'm busy, and I probably an, if I look at your portfolio and I want to see what pricing range you are in damn it let me do it. Because if you don't show your prices, odds are the 4 other sites I'm looking at do. But I digress and think of switching to decaf and smoking less. Ohm mm... Ohm-mm....

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                                                                                  • aico
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    modF said, and I quote, "Oh nothing short of the cream of the crop....

                                                                                    While I'm feeling a bit of aggression here, wtf is with designers who don't have working sites with portfolios and prices. Now I can understand if you want people to contact you for pricing to get a one on one with a conversation. But I'm busy, and I probably an, if I look at your portfolio and I want to see what pricing range you are in damn it let me do it. Because if you don't show your prices, odds are the 4 other sites I'm looking at do. But I digress and think of switching to decaf and smoking less. Ohm mm... Ohm-mm..."

                                                                                    I don't post my info because I only do mainstream design due to adult design being so cheap, and I have enough good clients on retainers that I don't have the need or time for any new ones.

                                                                                    And the aggression is just fun, it's not serious, if someone takes it serious they need to take a few steps back and relax, and remember where they are.

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                                                                                    • Tempest
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                                                                                      • May 2004
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                      Being familiar with various OS's filesystems is not a requirement for doing design.
                                                                                      Bullshit. If the "designer" is doing graphics AND the html pages then it's his repsonsiblity to ensure it will work on whatever webserver the client might put it on. A PC running XP is NOT what he's designing the page/site to be hosted on.

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                                                                                      • DamageX
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by aico
                                                                                        LOL, why would I define design when this thread is about DESIGNERS?
                                                                                        This thread was actually about HTML, or rather said something that someone perceived to be a mistake connected to not being proficient enough at HTML. The design part was brought in by StuartD and I said I will not get anal about it. Then you come around and show us that you have copy and paste skills (although I am in doubt of your reading comprehension ones), thus further digressing from the subject at hand. Nevertheless, for the sake of accuracy, this thread was initially about image filenames. And here's a freebie: design is a PROCESS, as opposed to the end-result, which is a USER INTERFACE. Keep in mind, even monkeys can copy and paste. Doesn't have to mean they understand any of it. But hey, you sure told me.
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                                                                                        • modF
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by aico
                                                                                          I don't post my info because I only do mainstream design due to adult design being so cheap, and I have enough good clients on retainers that I don't have the need or time for any new ones.

                                                                                          And the aggression is just fun, it's not serious, if someone takes it serious they need to take a few steps back and relax, and remember where they are.
                                                                                          Exactly, I would hope that if you were looking for adult business, you would post the info. I'm sure if I went to site point or GT or one of the mainstream boards you happen to post/get business from than I'd see the info.

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                                                                                          • aico
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            DamageX said, and I quote, "This thread was actually about HTML, or rather said something that someone perceived to be a mistake connected to not being proficient enough at HTML. The design part was brought in by StuartD and I said I will not get anal about it. Then you come around and show us that you have copy and paste skills (although I am in doubt of your reading comprehension ones), thus further digressing from the subject at hand. Nevertheless, for the sake of accuracy, this thread was initially about image filenames. And here's a freebie: design is a PROCESS, as opposed to the end-result, which is a USER INTERFACE. Keep in mind, even monkeys can copy and paste. Doesn't have to mean they understand any of it. But hey, you sure told me. "

                                                                                            LOL, I didn't copy and paste shit. I typed it as I read it from the book which I quoted, a book I own, because I have been in the Graphic Design business for over 15 years. You want me to scan it in for you? Cuz it's pretty hard to copy and paste a book.

                                                                                            You should look up the word "design" before you start acting like you know what it means... Design is not a process, however, Graphic Design is.

                                                                                            You obviously know nothing about Graphic Design, so why don't you shut the fuck up it, and go write in a thread about *nix or something you do know about.

                                                                                            Why you even chimmed in here with your stupid ass remark is beyond me, especially when someone already said your brilliant remark several posts before you.

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                                                                                            • aico
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Oh and the last time I looked this thread was about how some "designers" don't know that .JPG and .jpg will cause a problem, and not really about HTML at all. Did you even read the thread or did you just come in her to look smart, to only end up looking like a retard?

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                                                                                              • Verbal
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                a good designer shows attention to detail ... in everything he or she does, not just the design.

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                                                                                                • webgurl
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  I like to also add many don't know how to optimize and design
                                                                                                  with bigass image files that would dress to kill b/width
                                                                                                  and to boot many don't know the difference
                                                                                                  between jpg and gif
                                                                                                  oh my ....

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