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Unfortunatly that attitude is widely accepted and has forced industries to look a new ways of distribution (e.g. itunes) which has been very successful. Theres no reason someone from this industry can't find a similar way to distribute content. Say Guba but using content liscensed from every producer and selling it for a cheaper individual price paying royalties back to the original producers? -
Originally posted by invertiga
I agree that it's no different. The point is that many of us don't want ANY of them advertising on GFY. I see no difference between GUBA and someone that starts a site that allows members to post stolen passwords and charges them membership fees. Either way they are what I would consider the "enemy" of this industry.
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Actually that isn't a GUBA problem... That is a NEWSGROUP Problem.. And to see if it really is a problem go here:Originally posted by WiredGuyXPays Evan should be chiming in momentarily
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The URL on the pics... And then see that this person is using Paris Hilton content to sell for MRSKIN.COM through FLASHCASH.COM...
You can bitch at FLASHCASH for paying the fucker.Comment
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You got me on that one. Wow, I've got people attacking me on numerous threads, and I confused two of the attackers? Well, I guess that means that everything I said today is discredited.Originally posted by SilentKnight
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LOL, sounds like I pushed a button. Now who's throwing the "S-word" around? But anyway, in your terms you've made a "glaring error." I didn't call it "beastiality", I called it "beastiality/scat fetish". It's an animal shitting, it's fetish material if that's what turns you on. But of course I was tweaking you, making fun of the low tone you brought to the debate. I don't seriously think you find such photos arousing, even if you did lovingly post that one over and over and over and over.Originally posted by SilentKnightOffering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.Comment
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Perhaps the best (and most relevant) point in this entire argument.Originally posted by EdgeXXXComment
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Its quite easy to lovingly post it over and over again when I visualize Guba or those who seek to defend them.Originally posted by Forkbeard
Sometimes images are both amusing AND appropo.Comment
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That's the entire problem with your setup. All the material you host is by definition copyrighted to someone; you're leaving it up to them to make a fuss when instead by law you should be asking permission before you offer it to paying members.Originally posted by lesbodojo
How much of your content do you REALLY think is truly public domain? 1%? 0.1%? You're on the wrong side of the common sense line, buddy.Comment
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If you promote a big sponsor, plus GUBA, and those of your surfers who sign up for GUBA get the content from your big sponsor for FREE, why would they want to sign up to your top sponsor? Instead you get $7 for your signup and what, $3 for each rebill?Originally posted by invertiga
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Your presuming that all sponsor content is available, its not. Browser based front-ends for usenet services; specificly porn have existed for 10yrs+, and usenet itself has been around in some form since 1979. People for the last 10yrs have been signing upto paysite's if i'm not mistaken, and will continue to because you can obviously download any/all of their content in your own time and be guarenteed its there.Originally posted by HairToStayComment
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Sure, they can pay $29.95 and download all the content, or see a link by some scummy skanky webmaster offering the same content for $14.00.
By their own admissoin, "if it exists, you can find it on GUBA" or some bullshit like that.Make bank by giving your surfers free pics every day and it costs you NOTHING! Use POTD Sponsors to find adult sponsors in more than 75 niches who offer a POTD feature!Comment
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Originally posted by Forkbeard
that statement must have cost GUBA as much as the skin hereComment
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wrong. you could copy DVDs long before decss...Originally posted by invertigaComment
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they effectively have removed the harsh learning curve required to get what you want from Usenet. this allows more and more users to get "all they can eat" for a ridiculous price. 14.95 U.S. for access to as much "member leeched" stuff that they can watch in a month. and, god knows where its going after guba users download it. oh wait i know, p2p. since their users are not the most technically advanced computer people, many of the guba users for sure are avid p2pers and still think kazaa is the delivery method of choice for free stuff. ironically, the potential paysite member fits the same mold.
Lets not forget, it won't take much for affiliates that don't have the respect for content that we do, that will push them, and certainly will buy a membership to your sites, run a leecher, and upload your shit so guba can crawl it. there are alot of affiliates that don't care where their money comes from. they are all watching and not saying anything.
if you really put some thought into this, there is nothing good about this for content producers or legitimate affiliates. if i'm a surfer, why should i visit your tgp and click links to paysites if i can get it all somewhere for 14.95? honest affiliates, affiliates that actually care where their money comes from, and above all, producers of content need to take the offensive and do what they need to make sure their stuff is not in usenet. its a fairly manhour intensive thing, but in the long run, they will work with you and those harmelss "interfaces" do filter your stuff out for you.
if you don't take those steps then its not worth crying about it.
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So basically I could join 20 paysites, rip their members areas, then simply tell
them to contact me if they find anything of theirs. Should be easy, I'll join all the mega pass type sites with lots of bonus access. I'll even get screenshots of their tours etc so my members know exactly what they're getting. I see no difference in my model since I'll be hosting it all.
Now, who do I talk to about doing my card processing?
Thanks.
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well, tour screenshots would be copyrighted too.Originally posted by PR_Tom
i wonder how long it takes before i find sites pushing to guba using screenshots from tours, or official site logos.
jsut one more reason for diligence and staying proactive to keep your stuff off of usenet. our stuff used to be on there, its been removed.Comment
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Copyright? Whats that mean?
I'll just put up what my members send me. I'm blameless. If someone has copyright (whatever that is) to any material, all they have to do is tell me and I'll remove it! And if one of my members resends it 2 hours later, it's really not my fault. You guys should be more proactive.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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Hey, theres a guy on the hockey game named Phillip Guba. Wonder who's uniform he's wearing, and where he got that stick! lol
Ok anyway, I just find this whole thing really strange to be honest. I really dont see the difference between this and the original napster.43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.Comment
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LMFAO! Good one.Originally posted by PR_Tom
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We just hired an outsourced staff of 253 asians to proactively monitor the entire Interweb 24/7 for signs of our copyrighted material from a small sweatshop in an undisclosed third-world backwater.Originally posted by PR_Tom
It was a laborious and daunting task to train them properly, however. We initially encountered conflicts-of-interest between their inherent religious background and the fact that they had to be intimately familiar with all of our porn content (bondage, fetish, watersport, CBT...all the fun stuff).
But as their training regiment progressed over the course of several weeks, they soon grew quite familiar and accustomed to the content - and in fact the majority actually became quite smitten with it all.
It costs us $30/day to pay all the new staff, but we strongly feel its a worthy investment to protect ourselves.Comment
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Ok smartypants. Guba is selling access to an interface. You are correct Sir. BUt your brain can not understand the fact that the interface wouldn't be sellable with content that does not belong to them. How thick is your ignorant skull? Let's have a drink at the Forum.. dumbassOriginally posted by ForkbeardI'm one of GUBA's top affiliates, and I'm an opinionated son of a bitch who's hard to intimidate.
I'm calling people ignorant haters because they are acting like it. GUBA's not selling memberships to anybody's content, they're selling an interface. And you haters are misplacing your anger.
I've got a lot of respect for Steve Lightspeed, but I think his hatred would be misplaced if he directed it at GUBA. GUBA's an interface or a web service, like Google Image Search or the Usenet News Reader built into Outlook Express. I don't see people in here flaming Google or Microsoft, and I don't think flaming GUBA makes any more sense than that would.
If you've got problems with content thieves, then chase the content thieves. From what I can see, GUBA will do everything in its power to help you. And if that's not good enough?
If I have a problem with content thieves then I need to chase the thiefs? It's the thiefs that knocked on your (guba) door and offered it to you and you took it. What does that make you?
Google?.. you are so stupid.. Does google asks money to do an image search? Where are those images in google's image search hosted? nuff saidLast edited by Sebastian Sands; 02-21-2006, 08:14 AM.Comment
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It's great to see a program owner speaking out against this, but let me ask you this -- do you monitor where your sales come from to see if the TGPs your galleries and links appear on have links to GUBA?Originally posted by A1R3K
Yes, I know this is a daunting task and would be virtually impossible to monitor. "We" as a whole need to stop trades with sites that promote GUBA, sponsors need to remove affiliates if they are reported/found to be promoting GUBA, etc.
But, there is no organization "we" all belong to in order to enforce this. Back in 1996 my webhost and I talked about this very subject and even made up a logo but it never came to fruition.
Not everyone could be reached to join such an organization, but if every sponsor out there had information on such an organization on their join pages and approval email ...Make bank by giving your surfers free pics every day and it costs you NOTHING! Use POTD Sponsors to find adult sponsors in more than 75 niches who offer a POTD feature!Comment
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oh boy I hate missing all the drama
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...and you're an accomplice to theft. You resell stolen content handed to you by an organization that doesn't own the content either.Originally posted by Forkbeard
Euphemistically referring to yourself as a "top affiliate" is nothing more than a gas pump jockey kid who calls himself a fuels transfer technician.
You're merely a Guba whore, a lackey grubbing for the tablescraps of thieves...a bottom-feeding pissant that helps cripple the entire adult entertainment industry.Comment
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POST #3 - You haven't emailed us a user and pass - When are you gladly going to give my company one?Originally posted by lesbodojo
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i've done pretty well at keeping our stuff out of usenet. more people will filter, all you have to do is ask. i agree that it will take a unified effort to keep more companies like this from entering the adult space. if one gets away with it 100's will form. there are many many people i am sure doing the research to see what it will take them to make there own "interface"Originally posted by HairToStay
i see this as a major threat to content and the online adult space. i also can't believe more people are not voicing public opinion. fuck it, i'll stand up for it. at least i know in depth what they are doing, and manipulating loopholes to call something legal doesn't make it right, and it doesn't mean we have to support you because you gave lensman some money. isn't this the very reason people say that gfy is so great? first ammendment and voicing your opinons? you'd think more people would be on this.Comment
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LOL what did you expect? .....seriouslyOriginally posted by SiMpLe
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Originally posted by lesbodojo
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im not judging you or anything.. I just think your story is a lil BS. I skinned gfy. I know the extensive communication it takes between ALL ranks of power here at gfy. From the mods and designers, to eric to lens himself for approval. This is about a weeks worth of comunication. You just dont remove a skin on a whim, or for that matter, put one up on a whim too.
I see guba promoted all over phatforums and xxxmoviemart, forums are known for un kosher stuff too.
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Try rephrasing that with some civility, and minus the insults. Then I'll be happy to answer your questions.Originally posted by Sebastian SandsOffering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.Comment
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Saying something a million times doesn't make it true. Spicing it up with insults doesn't either.Originally posted by SilentKnight
You guys aren't interested in truth, you're just looking to foam at the mouth. I've made my points for the lurkers, and that's what I set out to do.Offering sponsored blog posts and custom writing services.Comment
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we skinned gfy too. there is detailed info and communication involved getting it up. gfy is letting them play the situation, which is smart.Originally posted by DukeSkywalkerComment
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your opinion is biased. you are one of their biggest affiliates. why would you come in here anywhere and say something against them? answer, you wouldn't. it is in your direct benefit to say cupcake things to make this all seem right.Originally posted by Forkbeard
you make money from content that the producers DID NOT put into their system. bottom line, come on man. none of us are buying this.Comment
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I began voicing my opinion on it on Netpond when a scummy webmaster there began spamming GUBA all over the place and offering to help newbie webmasters if they would just signup under him. That post was reprinted here yesterday.Originally posted by A1R3K
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I've lurked through all the drama, and as a lurker, you look like a total fucking idiotOriginally posted by Forkbeard
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My insults pale to the major insult and injury that Guba hands to all content producers.Originally posted by Forkbeard
As a sycophant to unethical and illegal business practices, you deserve the same lack of civility and disdain from us all.
I saved my civility for the well-worded letter sent to Verisign earlier this morning.
Happy processing.Comment
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Let's put this in a very easy way: did anyone (and I mean ANYONE) ask you to post stolen content? do you own any SIGNED form authorizing you to post such content? I'll make you even easier: did you pay for/ get auth/ lease or whatever commercial right you could get to copyrighted material? This has only 2 possible answers: YES OR NO. If you paid (or whatever) you gotta have a proper 2257 info page. If not, please delete each and every image, video, audio or whatever you have in your site. NOW THAT'S PROACTIVE!!!!!!Originally posted by lesbodojo
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and btw, the "few haters" looks like hundreds against you and your employees (let's call them affiliates if you want)
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I would dearly love to know how they would ever hope to defend themselves in a court of law against CP allegations - without having the 2257 docs and copies of model releases and proof of age.Originally posted by alan-lLet's put this in a very easy way: did anyone (and I mean ANYONE) ask you to post stolen content? do you own any SIGNED form authorizing you to post such content? I'll make you even easier: did you pay for/ get auth/ lease or whatever commercial right you could get to copyrighted material? This has only 2 possible answers: YES OR NO. If you paid (or whatever) you gotta have a proper 2257 info page. If not, please delete each and every image, video, audio or whatever you have in your site. NOW THAT'S PROACTIVE!!!!!!
BTW Guba - if this scenario ever comes to fruition...I will make all my 2257 docs available to you for my content you stole and profited from over the years - although the pricetag may be a little beyond your price range... starting around $2 million per document.
Toner cartridge costs have skyrocketed these days.Comment
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That was a total nightmare all in it's own Pam, but with alot of board members support we did manage to get the name Guba banned from netpond and if more boards put that into place they would not be getting alot of the recognition that they are. Obviously there's alot more that needs to be done than just banning them from the forums, but it's still a step in the right direction and that's what counts in the end.Originally posted by HairToStay
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I wonder how much Perfect10 content is floating around there.You might not be as anonymous as you think you are.Comment
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this isn't one of those things thats going away soon to be forgotten. they will get heat everytime they try something here. people who value their brands should be taking actions now, i know i am.Originally posted by jade12Comment
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I've seen a bit of it there, after spending a few hours there last night and today helping a friend find their content, as well as Lightspeed, Jaymancash, Sterlingcash, TeenRevenue and a bunch more, the only problem too is, alot of it looks very familiar but it looks like they've done something to the watermarks, so it's hard to say exactly who's content some of it is unless you're extremely familiar with that particular sponsors content, and can't know everyones.Originally posted by Minte
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I agree it's not going to be forgotten, ever since I first heard of GUBA I've made a strong stance against it, I used to sell content so from that perspective I know where people are coming from as well. People need to be more proactive about this situation and unfortunately alot of people are not and I don't understand why.Originally posted by A1R3K
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invertiga, one of the differences between Guba and an offline news reader is the "who does the work". Once you download material onto your own PC, you can pretty much anything you want with it yourself. Having unfiltered newgroup access, downloading all the material, and then extracting the images on your own PC is pretty much a protected act because there is no resale and no remarketting.
Now, if you took those extracted images, burn them onto CDs, and resold them on EBAY, you would be violating copyright reselling images you don't have the rights to.
If you took those extracted images and opened a paysite, you would be shut down in days.
So, now, all Guba is doing is skipping the "burning it onto a CD" or "opening a new paysite". They just extract the images and content and resell access to the filtered end results. If you or I resold it in any manner ourselves, we would be buried under lawsuits and paper so far we wouldn't be able to breathe.
Splitting hairs and saying "but it is usenet" wouldn't excuse me, and it doesn't excuse them.
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GUBA is bad for adult. Any way you slice it. Those who don't think so have alterior motives for saying so, right Forkbeard?Originally posted by RawAlexComment
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When you say haters, I think you mean "producers." Your apologies should be to the photographers, webmasters, and models you use w/o compensation to earn money for yourself and affiliates. The affiliate promoters probably love you, but the producers feel about you a whole different way. Try paying a model, shooting the photos/video, and then have someone steal it and get paid for it. You may be a hater too.Originally posted by lesbodojo
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Another lie. You can see the first page of results, if you want to check a preview of all the content GUBA steals... YOU GOTTA PAY!!!!Originally posted by lesbodojo
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They'd never take that approach.Originally posted by scardogWhen you say haters, I think you mean "producers." Your apologies should be to the photographers, webmasters, and models you use w/o compensation to earn money for yourself and affiliates. The affiliate promoters probably love you, but the producers feel about you a whole different way. Try paying a model, shooting the photos/video, and then have someone steal it and get paid for it. You may be a hater too.
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