Why is Ron Paul not higher in the polls?

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  • notoldschool
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    • Aug 2007
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    #151
    Originally posted by ADL Colin
    http://www.clemson.edu/newsroom/spec...ll_details.htm

    Regarding the thread's question. Here is a poll from a few months back.

    Q1. Please tell me if you have ever heard of the following candidates for president and if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him/her?

    Republicans Heard of Favorable Unfavorable

    1. R. Giuliani 99% 63% 25%

    2. J. McCain 97% 52% 35%

    3. N. Gingrich 95% 54% 27%

    4. M. Romney 87% 62% 14%

    5. F. Thompson 83% 65% 7%

    6. M. Huckabee 69% 48% 8%

    7. S. Brownback 57% 33% 10%

    8. R. Paul 40% 24% 22%

    9. D. Hunter 32% 37% 14%

    10. T. Tancredo 30% 38% 12%

    So there you have it. 99% of those polled have heard of Giuliani. Only 40% have even HEARD of Ron Paul. Then compare favorability. Giulani is 63% favorable, Paul is 24%. Most people who've heard of Paul don't even have much of an opinion about him.

    Paul has two problems. Large numbers of people haven't even heard of him and of those who have they don't seem to know enough about him to form a strong opinion. Paul's 22% "unfavorable" isn't a good sign either. Higher than the average candidates un favorability.
    That doesnt mean they wont hear of them. Seems that atleast not all the media outlets can completely make him invisible to the masses.


    BTW nothing you posted there means hes NOT the best candidate, unless of course if you are one of those special people we call Evangelical Christians who are having the second coming of the Christian crusades, trying to realign the middle east the way they want.

    BTW if things keep going the way they are GFY will be gone from the internet within 5 years. bet on that.
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      • ADL Colin
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        • Feb 2001
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        #152
        Originally posted by notoldschool
        BTW nothing you posted there means hes NOT the best candidate, unless of course if you are one of those special people we call Evangelical Christians who are having the second coming of the Christian crusades, trying to realign the middle east the way they want.
        There's no such thing as a BEST candidate. There are personal preferences for how one would like the world to be. One person likes Hillary Clinton's worldview and direction. Another doesn't. Neither is right or wrong.


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          • TheDoc
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            • Jul 2001
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            #153
            Hey Baddog, one of the few things any president 'could' acually pull off is killing off of the IRS. Yes, it would take some serious work but the IRS isn't really part of the Gov. It really does illegally take money from you.

            We could easily replace it with a base sales tax for personal and business purchases. But you would still need a department to regulate people/companies that don't report/pay.

            Now going back to the gold standard, I think the President has as much power as me and you on this subject.

            rebel23 said it best I guess.. Lots of things could be changed or blocked quickly, unscrewing many little things. I think he needs to be more voicing on what/how he is acually going to do it. It took us 130 years to fuck the system up, add in bushs 8 years of blatant disregard of the constitution... It makes me wonder how a man can archive such positive change in a short time period and not screw it all up in another way.

            Subject Jump.... Iraq, we just can't pull out and run. We fucked up a country, we can stop the war but we can't run and hide. Like it or not we will be left with cleaning up Bush shit.
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              • MarkMan
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                • Feb 2005
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                #154
                ok, i just read his Ideas on his site, the guy is nuz!!!!!!!!

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                  • drjones
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                    • Oct 2005
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                    #155
                    Originally posted by TheDoc
                    Subject Jump.... Iraq, we just can't pull out and run. We fucked up a country, we can stop the war but we can't run and hide. Like it or not we will be left with cleaning up Bush shit.
                    That may be true, but I agree with Paul when he talks about our plans for Iraq, and establishing huge permanent presence in the middle east... in other words, doing the same kind of thing that galvanizes and incites the radicals to hate us in the first place. He's the only candidate I see out there, addressing it from this perspective.

                    The other thing he talks about, is how we continually interfere with Israel and their politics. Left to their own devices, theres a good chance they would have solved many of the problems in the middle east on their own already.

                    Since war was never declared in Iraq, he could pull out the troops like someone else said. But then it would be congresses responsibility to actually declare war, and then he would have no choice but to execute and carry out congress's declaration.
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                      • rebel23
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                        • Dec 2002
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                        #156
                        the whole of IA, NH, SC and NV know who he is (or will do) so that doesn't matter, they will vault him or so that's the plan. Guiliani and others have already been driven out of the Northeast by the Ron Paul revolution and are regrouping and pinning their hopes on Florida which is much more later down the line
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                          • baddog
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                            • Apr 2001
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                            #157
                            Originally posted by psili
                            Some thoughts: Has he ever spoke of disbanding everything he says he wants to immediately
                            www.youtube.com/watch?v=zihgr8ZrLa4

                            See the video within the video, since it was the first I found.

                            I vote by candidate, not by party. Haven't voted by party lines since I was in my early 20's.

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                              • baddog
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                                • Apr 2001
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                                #158
                                Rebel, you never answered my question. Are we supposed to believe that you are a Republican that is trying to save the White House from the Democrats?

                                If I missed your response, I apologize.

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                                  • drjones
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                                    #159
                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                    www.youtube.com/watch?v=zihgr8ZrLa4

                                    See the video within the video, since it was the first I found.

                                    I vote by candidate, not by party. Haven't voted by party lines since I was in my early 20's.
                                    Well, youre judging what would be a very complicated, lengthy process by a 10 second sound bite. He's talked about it in many other videos about what is involved in actually gettting to the point where it would be possible to eliminate the income tax, and the IRS. The first step in that process is to get the government operating with in its means... to stop the out of control borrowing, and to cut government spending. A monumental task in and of itself, and its doubtful that first step could even be accomplished in one presidents term.
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                                      • baddog
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                                        • Apr 2001
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                                        #160
                                        Originally posted by drjones
                                        Well, youre judging what would be a very complicated, lengthy process by a 10 second sound bite. He's talked about it in many other videos about what is involved in actually gettting to the point where it would be possible to eliminate the income tax, and the IRS. The first step in that process is to get the government operating with in its means... to stop the out of control borrowing, and to cut government spending. A monumental task in and of itself, and its doubtful that first step could even be accomplished in one presidents term.
                                        Since one of the RP's already stated that you guys know he isn't going to win, I don't really see the point of continuing to debate the matter.

                                        Too bad kids these days have no organization or passion.

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                                          • Pleasurepays
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                                            #161
                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                            Since one of the RP's already stated that you guys know he isn't going to win, I don't really see the point of continuing to debate the matter.

                                            Too bad kids these days have no organization or passion.
                                            as i said in another thread... if we bypassed annoying things like debates and they just threw the candidates into a beach house on a show called President Fuck Whore Dating Party, on MTV... where everone was going through tough challenges like guys having to convincingly give gay porn stars a sensual massage or having the cadidates strip on a pole, see who can drink the most bleach or whatever, everyone would be intensely interested

                                            i expect a few election cycles to pass before we are fully to that point... but it will happen.

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                                              • StickyGreen
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                                                • Oct 2003
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                                                #162
                                                People who think abolishing the Fed, the IRS, the CIA, etc is "nutty" need to wake the fuck up... what the hell is wrong with you people? You really think the way our system is setup right now is the way it is supposed to be? Are you actually going to elect another shmuck that is going to keep the system going along exactly as it is?

                                                Most of the candidates that you guys are going to vote for will flip-flop around and tell you whatever it is they think you want to hear and then do absolutely nothing while in office so they can keep the "system" going. This shit scares me because most people don't even seem to understand what is wrong with our system in the first place... especially the monetary system...
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                                                  • baddog
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                                                    • Apr 2001
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                                                    #163
                                                    Roll another one

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                                                      • Pleasurepays
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                                                        #164
                                                        Originally posted by StickyGreen
                                                        People who think abolishing the Fed, the IRS, the CIA, etc is "nutty" need to wake the fuck up... what the hell is wrong with you people?
                                                        whats wrong with you? you can't start by preaching to the world about how you want to fuck everything up and tear it apart without at least having a decent explanation of how it will be replaced, how it will work and why. you certainly can't expect to get people on board with dissembling most of the federal government. its insane because the president can't do it. the president isn't god. the president represents one branch of government.

                                                        its not about "whats wrong with....xyz"

                                                        its about "whats a better solution and how are we going to implement it"


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                                                          • StickyGreen
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                                                            #165
                                                            Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                            whats wrong with you? you can't start by preaching to the world about how you want to fuck everything up and tear it apart without at least having a decent explanation of how it will be replaced

                                                            The fact that you think these institutions need to be "replaced" shows that you don't even understand the underlying problems with these institutions in the first place...
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                                                              • Vendot
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                                                                #166
                                                                Originally posted by drjones
                                                                This is part of Ron Paul's problem... people just don't comprehend or actually bother to listen to what he *actually* says.
                                                                Its not just that...... its also the fact that his ideas are so radical that a lot of people find them hard to envision. He's a pretty smart guy, theres no doubt about it - he just seems too smart.
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                                                                  • Pleasurepays
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                                                                    #167
                                                                    Originally posted by StickyGreen
                                                                    The fact that you think these institutions need to be "replaced" shows that you don't even understand the underlying problems with these institutions in the first place...

                                                                    you're right. i'm clearly a moron. you however, are fully grounded in reality and lucky enough to live under a rainbow in Utopiaworld, so you are definately qualified to comment on a world where you don't need income taxes, foriegn intelligence capability or a wide array of other government functions and branches of government that exist in almost every single country on the planet out of necessity.

                                                                    and my fucking point jackass, was simply that he talks about tearing things apart... not about how it can work, what should be in its place or how the economy, government etc might function quite well without them.

                                                                    its easy to talk about a world where we'll just outlaw public transportation or abolish taxes or do any number of things that 20 something morons who were beaten and abused by their parents might agree to... but anyone thats not totally fucking retarded might have a question or two about it.

                                                                    a vision for the future and how to deal with a complex world and global economy isn't "i'm going to just start breaking shit"

                                                                    he's obviously not serious about getting the Republican nomination or running for the presidency because he is further from Republican values than Hillary is and isn't even making an effort to appeal to Republicans. Meanwhile, in spite of this obvious fact, we all have to tolerate all the morons of the country insisting he has a chance and talking about how puppies will never die after he's elected as if its a real possibility.

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                                                                      • notoldschool
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                                                                        #168
                                                                        Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                        you're right. i'm clearly a moron. you however, are fully grounded in reality and lucky enough to live under a rainbow in Utopiaworld, so you are definately qualified to comment on a world where you don't need income taxes, foriegn intelligence capability or a wide array of other government functions and branches of government that exist in almost every single country on the planet out of necessity.

                                                                        and my fucking point jackass, was simply that he talks about tearing things apart... not about how it can work, what should be in its place or how the economy, government etc might function quite well without them.

                                                                        its easy to talk about a world where we'll just outlaw public transportation or abolish taxes or do any number of things that 20 something morons who were beaten and abused by their parents might agree to... but anyone thats not totally fucking retarded might have a question or two about it.

                                                                        a vision for the future and how to deal with a complex world and global economy isn't "i'm going to just start breaking shit"

                                                                        he's obviously not serious about getting the Republican nomination or running for the presidency because he is further from Republican values than Hillary is and isn't even making an effort to appeal to Republicans. Meanwhile, in spite of this obvious fact, we all have to tolerate all the morons of the country insisting he has a chance and talking about how puppies will never die after he's elected as if its a real possibility.

                                                                        Because he is trying to appeal to the real republicans with true conservative values who dissaprove of the way the party went away from their true ideals.
                                                                        Face it the people that run the republican party are pro war, which republicans by nature are not. The new neocon republicans are not fiscally sound in their beliefs. Thats whay they are so scared of someone who is for the taking the republican party to where our founders started. With the Consitution.
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                                                                          • charlie g
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                                                                            #169
                                                                            Originally posted by crockett
                                                                            Radical as in he wants to pretty much do away with everything the govt run and let big business do it. We see how well big business runs health insurance and how Halliburton overcharges tax payers.

                                                                            Yet Ron Paul somehow thinks that big business would do a better job than the govt for pretty much everything. Things liker the Post Office.. Schools.. Dept of Transportation ect ect.. He wants to get rid of it all and let big business run it.

                                                                            One thing that Big Business has shown me is they will always worry about profit first then what service they provide. We don't need every thing in our country based on that idea.

                                                                            He has some good ideas but he just goes way the fuck overboard. If he would stick to a few key things like standing up for our Constitution and running a organized govt, well then he might be a front runner.

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                                                                              • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                #170
                                                                                Originally posted by notoldschool
                                                                                Because he is trying to appeal to the real republicans with true conservative values who dissaprove of the way the party went away from their true ideals.
                                                                                Face it the people that run the republican party are pro war, which republicans by nature are not. The new neocon republicans are not fiscally sound in their beliefs. Thats whay they are so scared of someone who is for the taking the republican party to where our founders started. With the Consitution.

                                                                                he won't get the republican nomination.
                                                                                not even close.
                                                                                he's not even in the race for the republican nomination.

                                                                                so it has nothing to do with real republicans or any other bizarre rationalization.

                                                                                i appreciate what he's doing but if he seriously intended to seek the republican nomination and become a serious candidate, he's obviously doing it in the wrong way.

                                                                                and ... you can't blame everyone for not getting the message... you can only blame the messenger for not effectively communicating the message.

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                                                                                  • baddog
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                                                                                    • Apr 2001
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                                                                                    #171
                                                                                    Since rebel doesn't seem to want top answer the question, how about any of you other ArePees: Are you really Republicans that are concerned with the Democrats taking over the White House?

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                                                                                      • charlie g
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                                                                                        #172
                                                                                        Dismantling the IRS can be done. It's called a flat tax and EVERYONE pays... or a consumption tax that is collected on ALL non-essential goods. There are many plans that could be tried and tweaked for fair taxation. As it stands the tax code is used for social engineering by politicians. It is wrong and a terrible system. The operating budget for the IRS is $12 billion, $50 for every person in the US and $200 for a family of 4. It is estimated that another $6.6 billion is spent on tax compliance. This is a terrible waste of resources.

                                                                                        Department of Education. As many have stated, we didn't even have it until 1979. Since that time our educational system has sunk to almost third world status. Despite spending almost 60% more than the next highest industrialized country per capita, US performance in math and science is near the bottom. Maybe some Ron Paul detractors think science and math is overrated. We are not getting what we pay for, and the responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the DOE. The result is generations of less educated and thus less competitive citizens.


                                                                                        What I find striking are the people who claim to agree with many of Ron Paul's issues but then dismiss his chance to win. If you agree with his ideas then you are at fundamental odds with every other candidate running. It should shine a huge floodlight on how far the national debate has careened into insanity. I am no longer worried about being called a kook when I talk about Ron Paul. I am worried about not doing enough to let people know that there is someone running whom recognizes and is not afraid of the glaring problems coming our way- an aging population expecting to be taken care of by an under-educated under-achieving generation- government that is like a cancer growing at uncontrollable levels running up huge deficits borrowing money from those that despise its way of life. At some point the bill comes due and drastic action will ensue. While the federal government has no problem bailing out a mortgage banking system out of control, I wonder if the federal government's debt holders will be as kind. My bet would be no.

                                                                                        It's time to face the music sooner rather than later. I don't mind being called nutjob stumping for someone that I agree with 75% of what he stands for. Voting for someone I totally disagree with because "they have a chance to win" is asinine and totally irresponsible and I am tired of playing their game!
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                                                                                          • charlie g
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                                                                                            #173
                                                                                            Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                            he won't get the republican nomination.
                                                                                            not even close.
                                                                                            he's not even in the race for the republican nomination.

                                                                                            so it has nothing to do with real republicans or any other bizarre rationalization.

                                                                                            i appreciate what he's doing but if he seriously intended to seek the republican nomination and become a serious candidate, he's obviously doing it in the wrong way.

                                                                                            and ... you can't blame everyone for not getting the message... you can only blame the messenger for not effectively communicating the message.
                                                                                            So what you want is for RP to bend over and take it up the ass from the christian coalition and the like. You want him to sell out his principles inorder for the establishment to take him seriously. Then what the fuck good would he be then. He would be just like the rest of the cocksucking sycophants the media and party officials are trying to jam down our throats.

                                                                                            As far as the message not getting out, that can also be blamed on the wishy washy people claiming to agree but not doing anything because "he doesnt stand a chance".
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                                                                                              • baddog
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                                                                                                • Apr 2001
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                                                                                                #174
                                                                                                So charlie, are you a republican?

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                                                                                                  • charlie g
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                                                                                                    #175
                                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                    Since rebel doesn't seem to want top answer the question, how about any of you other ArePees: Are you really Republicans that are concerned with the Democrats taking over the White House?
                                                                                                    I dont want the democrats or republicans taking over the white house. There is NO DIFFERENCE. It is a show for the common folk. Ron Paul is a Republican in name only.
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                                                                                                      • charlie g
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                                                                                                        #176
                                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                        So charlie, are you a republican?
                                                                                                        I am a registered independent. I have voted for democrats and republicans. I voted for Ronald Regan twice, GW once. Locally I have voted 50-50 rep/dem.
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                                                                                                          • baddog
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                                                                                                            #177
                                                                                                            Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                            Ron Paul is a Republican in name only.
                                                                                                            So, why would a Republican even consider voting for him?

                                                                                                            Thank you for demonstrating my point.

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                                                                                                              • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                #178
                                                                                                                Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                So what you want is for RP to bend over and take it up the ass from the christian coalition and the like. You want him to sell out his principles inorder for the establishment to take him seriously. Then what the fuck good would he be then. He would be just like the rest of the cocksucking sycophants the media and party officials are trying to jam down our throats.
                                                                                                                i don't care what he does. i think what he's doing is a great thing. that has nothing to do with current political realities and people unwaivering ignorance of the fact that he simply will not get the republican nomination.

                                                                                                                Ron Paul is nothing but a string of fun and thought provoking sound bites, in between all the discussion about issues and candidates that can actually be nominated by their party and win an election.

                                                                                                                As far as the message not getting out, that can also be blamed on the wishy washy people claiming to agree but not doing anything because "he doesnt stand a chance".
                                                                                                                Huh? dude, we might all agree that Ronald McDonald or Pee Wee Herman have some pretty solid ideas about how the country should be run or about foreign policy... that doesn't mean they is suddenly the best man for the job, much less, electable candidates.

                                                                                                                People can like what he's saying and agree that its just not going to happen, even though there are some nice ideas that sound somewhat appealing.

                                                                                                                Just just a defensive and emotional rationalization for being so emotionally invested in a something that just isn't going to happen.

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                                                                                                                  • charlie g
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                                                                                                                    #179
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                    So, why would a Republican even consider voting for him?

                                                                                                                    Thank you for demonstrating my point.
                                                                                                                    Wrong question BD. How could a responsible AMERICAN not consider him is the proper one. I guess we are trained to take what's offered and like it.

                                                                                                                    But more to your point- there are many conservative republicans and democrats that are not sheep and identify more with Paul. I dunno, but people who vote party line are scary to me.
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                                                                                                                      • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                                                        #180
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                        Wrong question BD. How could a responsible AMERICAN not consider him is the proper one. I guess we are trained to take what's offered and like it.

                                                                                                                        But more to your point- there are many conservative republicans and democrats that are not sheep and identify more with Paul. I dunno, but people who vote party line are scary to me.
                                                                                                                        now anyone that doesn't agree with Paul is "sheep"

                                                                                                                        well... thats certainly a mature, intelligent, rational and well reasoned position that doesn't pop up much on gfy.

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                                                                                                                          • charlie g
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                                                                                                                            #181
                                                                                                                            I hear you pleasure. He doesnt stand much of a chance. So don't get emotionally involved...it's not worth it. He's got good ideas, but heck, so does ronald mcdonald and peewee herman. Nothing can be done and we should concentrate our efforts on someone who can get elected. It doesn't matter that there is no real significance in any of the 4 or 5 people that stand a reasonable shot. I like that guy Edwards because he has nice white teeth and a $1200 haircut. It was fun talking about Ron Paul because he has some neat ideas. I think I am going to vote for hillary because she was a huge favorite 6 months ago--- cause I want to vote for a winner so I can be a winner.
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                                                                                                                              • baddog
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                                                                                                                                #182
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                Wrong question BD. How could a responsible AMERICAN not consider him is the proper one. I guess we are trained to take what's offered and like it.

                                                                                                                                But more to your point- there are many conservative republicans and democrats that are not sheep and identify more with Paul. I dunno, but people who vote party line are scary to me.
                                                                                                                                I guess you forgot what the primaries are all about. The primaries are a party line issue. You nominate who you think will win . . . or you can do like my dad and register in the opposite party so you can vote for the person you think stands the least chance of winning.

                                                                                                                                Paul needs to get it together and realize that HE WILL NEVER WIN THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION because he is not a Republican. He should concentrate his efforts on finding another party where he can win the nomination if he wants to show up on the ballot in November.

                                                                                                                                They he can worry about people voting along party lines.

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                                                                                                                                  • charlie g
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                                                                                                                                    #183
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                    now anyone that doesn't agree with Paul is "sheep"

                                                                                                                                    well... thats certainly a mature, intelligent, rational and well reasoned position that doesn't pop up much on gfy.

                                                                                                                                    Missed my point again. If you really believe that the other candidates are better, then you are not a sheep. But, if you agree with RP's ideas(or many of them), and will not campaign for him because he "can't win", then yeah, you're a sheep. It becomes the self fulfilling prophecy of a defeatist attitude.
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                                                                                                                                        #184
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                        I hear you pleasure. He doesnt stand much of a chance. So don't get emotionally involved...it's not worth it. He's got good ideas, but heck, so does ronald mcdonald and peewee herman. Nothing can be done and we should concentrate our efforts on someone who can get elected. It doesn't matter that there is no real significance in any of the 4 or 5 people that stand a reasonable shot. I like that guy Edwards because he has nice white teeth and a $1200 haircut. It was fun talking about Ron Paul because he has some neat ideas. I think I am going to vote for hillary because she was a huge favorite 6 months ago--- cause I want to vote for a winner so I can be a winner.
                                                                                                                                        you make no sense.

                                                                                                                                        They are not campaigning for the Presidential election. you're like older than God, voted for Reagan and seem to have no idea whats going on. old, befuddled, confused... but a solid Paultard. Congrats. he needs you.

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                                                                                                                                            #185
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                            I guess you forgot what the primaries are all about. The primaries are a party line issue. You nominate who you think will win . . . or you can do like my dad and register in the opposite party so you can vote for the person you think stands the least chance of winning.

                                                                                                                                            Paul needs to get it together and realize that HE WILL NEVER WIN THE REPUBLICAN NOMINATION because he is not a Republican. He should concentrate his efforts on finding another party where he can win the nomination if he wants to show up on the ballot in November.

                                                                                                                                            They he can worry about people voting along party lines.
                                                                                                                                            Do you think he could ever win the democratic nomination? If the answer is no, then where is he supposed to run? Or is there no room in politics for truly diverse views?
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                                                                                                                                                #186
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                                Missed my point again. If you really believe that the other candidates are better, then you are not a sheep. But, if you agree with RP's ideas(or many of them), and will not campaign for him because he "can't win", then yeah, you're a sheep. It becomes the self fulfilling prophecy of a defeatist attitude.

                                                                                                                                                Dear Jackass,

                                                                                                                                                I am not campaigning for the Presidential election. I am campaigning for the Republican nomination. Don't preach about government if you don't know how it works.

                                                                                                                                                Thats just not what i'm about.

                                                                                                                                                Sincerely,
                                                                                                                                                Ron Paul

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                                                                                                                                                    #187
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                    you make no sense.

                                                                                                                                                    They are not campaigning for the Presidential election. you're like older than God, voted for Reagan and seem to have no idea whats going on. old, befuddled, confused... but a solid Paultard. Congrats. he needs you.
                                                                                                                                                    What are they campaigning for then? I must really be losing it. Dog catcher?
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                                                                                                                                                        #188
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                        Dear Jackass,

                                                                                                                                                        I am not campaigning for the Presidential election. I am campaigning for the Republican nomination. Don't preach about government if you don't know how it works.

                                                                                                                                                        Thats just not what i'm about.

                                                                                                                                                        Sincerely,
                                                                                                                                                        Ron Paul
                                                                                                                                                        And how does this make my point invalid?
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                                                                                                                                                            #189
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                                            Do you think he could ever win the democratic nomination? If the answer is no, then where is he supposed to run? Or is there no room in politics for truly diverse views?
                                                                                                                                                            hmmm . . . . Libertarian, Peace and Freedom, Green Party . . . and as a Democrat I would probably vote for him in the primaries.

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                                                                                                                                                                #190
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                                                What are they campaigning for then? I must really be losing it. Dog catcher?
                                                                                                                                                                THE NOMINATION

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                                                                                                                                                                    #191
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                                                    And how does this make my point invalid?
                                                                                                                                                                    what point?

                                                                                                                                                                    you mean the "if you don't agree with me, then you're just sheep" thing?

                                                                                                                                                                    was that a point?

                                                                                                                                                                    it's said so often on GFY as the single greatest mind numbingly stupid response when one is in the minority view, that i often mistake it for punctuation.

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                                                                                                                                                                        #192
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                        THE NOMINATION
                                                                                                                                                                        for PRESIDENT
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                                                                                                                                                                            #193
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                                                            for PRESIDENT
                                                                                                                                                                            You have to walk before you can run . . . no pun intended.

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                                                                                                                                                                                #194
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                                                                for PRESIDENT
                                                                                                                                                                                no... for the chance to run for president as the republican candidate - AND HE IS NOTHING LIKE A FUCKING REPUBLICAN

                                                                                                                                                                                seriously man, go to the doctor... have him adjust your meds.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    #195
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                                                    what point?

                                                                                                                                                                                    you mean the "if you don't agree with me, then you're just sheep" thing?

                                                                                                                                                                                    was that a point?

                                                                                                                                                                                    it's said so often on GFY as the single greatest mind numbingly stupid response when one is in the minority view, that i often mistake it for punctuation.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I realize you are a product of the DOE system so I will cut you some slack. To get you back into the flow of conversation- you- why waste time on someone who cant win me- it's not a waste of time to do what you think is right. If you agree with what he says but won't effort to get him elected then you are a sheep.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Remember now?
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                                                                                                                                                                                        #196
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                        You have to walk before you can run . . . no pun intended.
                                                                                                                                                                                        precisely- where is the disconnect BD? If he loses the primaries he cant win the presidency. I must reread my posts because I don't believe I implied this was the general election. Although I guess you could assume if you are a Paul supporter this is the election should he lose. There is really no candidates worthy of a vote.
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #197
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Pleasurepays
                                                                                                                                                                                            no... for the chance to run for president as the republican candidate - AND HE IS NOTHING LIKE A FUCKING REPUBLICAN

                                                                                                                                                                                            seriously man, go to the doctor... have him adjust your meds.
                                                                                                                                                                                            He is exactly like a Republican... one I voted for 23 years ago. His name was Ronald Reagan... the last true Republican as far as I am concerned.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                #198
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                                                                                I realize you are a product of the DOE system so I will cut you some slack. To get you back into the flow of conversation- you- why waste time on someone who cant win me- it's not a waste of time to do what you think is right. If you agree with what he says but won't effort to get him elected then you are a sheep.

                                                                                                                                                                                                Remember now?
                                                                                                                                                                                                listen crazy old weirdo guy, please... do what you think is right. no one said thats a bad thing. thats what voting is. there is nothing wrong with being passionate about change and a better future, having convictions and fighting for what you believe in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                that has nothing to do with the fact that he won't get the republican nomination because he doesn't represent republicans and therefore, can't possibly be elected as president.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                                                                                    He is exactly like a Republican... one I voted for 23 years ago. His name was Ronald Reagan... the last true Republican as far as I am concerned.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    like a republican in the sense of the word two centuries ago... or like a republican in 2007?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    go back to sleep Rip Van Winkle... times have changed

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                                                                                                                                                                                                        #200
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                                                                                        precisely- where is the disconnect BD? If he loses the primaries he cant win the presidency. I must reread my posts because I don't believe I implied this was the general election. Although I guess you could assume if you are a Paul supporter this is the election should he lose. There is really no candidates worthy of a vote.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        You are the one talking about how people should not vote along party lines, but that is precisely what the primaries are all about. Additionally, he does not have to run as a Democrat or Republican.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        The problem is 95% of his supporters are Democrats (giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are even registered, or will remember to vote before 8 PM), and they do not have the best interest of the Republican party, so he will not win their nomination.



                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by charlie g
                                                                                                                                                                                                        He is exactly like a Republican... one I voted for 23 years ago. His name was Ronald Reagan... the last true Republican as far as I am concerned.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        You really need to keep your stories straight

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally Posted by charlie g:
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ron Paul is a Republican in name only.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        And I doubt you will find many that would compare RP to RR. If he was like Reagan there would not even be a battle for the Republican nomination.

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