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02-20-2006, 02:31 PM

I know there are a few on GFY. What are you thoughts on forming some type of company and monopolizing it? I'm pretty sure there are a few on here that know what they are doing. I'm sure we all know where each others ads are and who is who. If we are all in the same league, I bet we could effectively drop costs while greatly increasing stablity by working together.

Just a thought.
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02-20-2006, 02:31 PM

Wont happen

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02-20-2006, 02:32 PM

Uhm right...
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02-20-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by karlm

Wont happen

Of course there is always the problem of someone thinking they should be making more, but if the general ballpark incomes are the same, you effectively can weed out all the bad days, make the same if not more, and increase the stability and security.
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02-20-2006, 02:34 PM

Originally posted by Franck

Uhm right...

This coming from someone who probably makes dick from it.
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02-20-2006, 02:35 PM

Originally posted by wedouglas

This coming from someone who probably makes dick from it.

What does that have to do with it...im just saying this wont happen. And imalways right, even when im wrong.
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02-20-2006, 02:36 PM

Btw, i make 3 gazllion a year off adwords so shut yer hole.
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02-20-2006, 02:40 PM

good idea, wouldnt happen though
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02-20-2006, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by Manowar

good idea, wouldnt happen though

Would only take a couple people.

I think there are only a few people out there who know what they are doing with adult adwords. 1 or 2 of em I know are on this board.

Just tossing it out there though.
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02-20-2006, 02:51 PM

Never in a million years would this happen, too many factors, who controls the campaigns, cash flow, etc. etc...
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02-20-2006, 02:53 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Never in a million years would this happen, too many factors, who controls the campaigns, cash flow, etc. etc...
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02-20-2006, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by Franck

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02-20-2006, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Never in a million years would this happen, too many factors, who controls the campaigns, cash flow, etc. etc...
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That is what would require a company and a lot of thinking. The only real question I see that would need to be answered would be cash flow. Everything would just have to been centrally controlled with a new account or allow access to the current accounts to everyone. I honestly think you could dominate adult adwords with about 3-4 people. It's just a matter of how you decide who makes what.
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02-20-2006, 02:59 PM

Attention Affiliates: There's no money in AdWords or PPC anymore, you'll have more luck getting in the Middle Eastern oil biz
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02-20-2006, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Franck

This coming from someone who probably makes dick from it.

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02-20-2006, 03:01 PM

Also, I think everyone has enough data to determine their share that is being contributed. I sure as hell know my break downs like the back of my hand
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02-20-2006, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by wedouglas

That is what would require a company and a lot of thinking. The only real question I see that would need to be answered would be cash flow. Everything would just have to been centrally controlled with a new account or allow access to the current accounts to everyone. I honestly think you could dominate adult adwords with about 3-4 people. It's just a matter of how you decide who makes what.

What possible advantage is there by pooling several affiliates together? I only see a huge disaster waiting to happen by doing so. Besides, I know quite a few whales out there that do quite well on their own, cash flow isn't the problem in becoming a large-scale player.
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02-20-2006, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

What possible advantage is there by pooling several affiliates together? I only see a huge disaster waiting to happen by doing so. Besides, I know quite a few whales out there that do quite well on their own, cash flow isn't the problem in becoming a large-scale player.
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The advantage is stability and less competition between the ones that know what they are doing. I know for a fact I have competed heavily with someone on this board and essentially just made google more money. This could considerably decrease costs.

Not to mention the tips and tricks that everyone could share. I do things that I see no one out there doing and make good money from them. Everyone has their tricks and methods. I honestly think there is more money to be made in working with others. Just my

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02-20-2006, 03:25 PM

Jup I agree too it wont happen. People don't like to talk about their campaigns, keys, ctr, etc etc with each other, let alone as a collective. And why share your tip top secrets just to create more competition for yourself?

As a solo flyer like many others I really can't see the advantage of sharing a market/keys with x amount of others. It just sounds like less $ and more saturation to me.

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02-20-2006, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by nekrom

Jup I agree too it wont happen. People don't like to talk about their campaigns, keys, ctr, etc etc with each other, let alone as a collective. And why share your tip top secrets just to create more competition for yourself?

As a solo flyer like many others I really can't see the advantage of sharing a market/keys with x amount of others. It just sounds like less $ and more saturation to me.

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How can this cause satuartion? Less ads are out there. That will create less competition. The idea isn't for everyone to run their own stuff and then at the end of the month say "I made y amount of dollars." The idea is to run the business as a one entity. Employing all the members skills to help the group, not the individual.

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02-20-2006, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by wedouglas

The advantage is stability and less competition between the ones that know what they are doing. I know for a fact I have competed heavily with someone on this board and essentially just made google more money. This could considerably decrease costs.

Not to mention the tips and tricks that everyone could share. I do things that I see no one out there doing and make good money from them. Everyone has their tricks and methods. I honestly think there is more money to be made in working with others. Just my

You must have adult webmasters confused with the good samaritan co-op charity. No way in hell is anyone going to share keyword lists, their trade secrets or how to convert traffic to other people. Like I said, there's little to no benefit to pooling resources together.
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02-20-2006, 04:01 PM

it'd be nice to see, but it doesn't seem realistic.. i have a list of webmaster id's that i see in destination url's i'd really like to have a chat with though.

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02-20-2006, 04:03 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

You must have adult webmasters confused with the good samaritan co-op charity. No way in hell is anyone going to share keyword lists, their trade secrets or how to convert traffic to other people. Like I said, there's little to no benefit to pooling resources together.
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Ask the guy above me if he like when his cpc increases because im simply trying to drive up his costs. I'm not making more money. He isn't making more money. Google is. Competition is the deciding factor in actual cpc. My min bid for every keyword is .01 but im not paying it on everything. Eliminating competition decreases costs. Plain and simple.
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02-20-2006, 04:04 PM

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02-20-2006, 04:06 PM

keeping down cost will also increase stability and security of your income.
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02-20-2006, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by wedouglas

Ask the guy above me if he like when his cpc increases because im simply trying to drive up his costs. I'm not making more money. He isn't making more money. Google is. Competition is the deciding factor in actual cpc. My min bid for every keyword is .01 but im not paying it on everything. Eliminating competition decreases costs. Plain and simple.

In a perfect world what you said is true. Unfortunately we don't live in that world. Competition thrives, competition is what drives the marketplace. Collusion (which is basically what you're describing) will ultimately fail unless you can control every person in the market including new entries. Assume you do set up this magical company that will control all of adwords adult, it won't be hard for a new competitor to start up and swoop right in and create havoc to your plans.

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02-20-2006, 04:19 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

In a perfect world what you said is true. Unfortunately we don't live in that world. Competition thrives, competition is what drives the marketplace. Collusion (which is basically what you're describing) will ultimately fail unless you can control every person in the market including new entries. Assume you do set up this magical company that will control all of adwords adult, it won't be hard for a new competitor to start up and swoop right in and create havoc to your plans.

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Actually it would be hard. Because the only threat that the current players have are one another. I know most of the people I am competing with. All the people who dabble in adwords aren't really a problem. I'd be willing to bet your most expensive compeition is from the few who know what they are doing.
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02-20-2006, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by wedouglas

Actually it would be hard. Because the only threat that the current players have are one another. I know most of the people I am competing with. All the people who dabble in adwords aren't really a problem. I'd be willing to bet your most expensive compeition is from the few who know what they are doing.

Lots of new people would popup when they realize there's a market with no competition up for grabs. If I wasn't in adult, I'd jump all over it if I saw there's only 1 competitor.
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02-20-2006, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by WiredGuy

Lots of new people would popup when they realize there's a market with no competition up for grabs. If I wasn't in adult, I'd jump all over it if I saw there's only 1 competitor.
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That weak competition is still there though. When you look at your adult ads, how many broad matched irrelevant ads do you see vs. targeted ones?
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02-20-2006, 04:30 PM

lots of the sponsors are doing it though with $$$ daily budgets, can't control that...

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02-20-2006, 04:30 PM

I think it's possible, but it should be kept quiet...

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