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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818
    #1

    Doesn't GUBA steal content?

    Have we sunk even lower that advertisers who's product is built on the theft of paysites content is advertising on GFY?

    Are the advertisers even screened or is it just ok if they pay enough?
    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.
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    • fuzzylogic
      Confirmed User
      • Jun 2004
      • 4796
      #2
      NO, THEY DONT STEAL CONTENT


      they provide only a service, much like paypal or ebay

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        • Fizzgig
          Registered User
          • Feb 2004
          • 9649
          #3
          Originally posted by fuzzylogic
          NO, THEY DONT STEAL CONTENT


          they provide only a service, much like paypal or ebay
          Greed will justify almost anything, won't it?
          ---'-,-{@ Sassy Grrrl @}-'-,---

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            • Brujah
              Beer Money Baron
              • Jan 2001
              • 22157
              #4
              Guba is ok. Imagecash not. Fusker not. Right ?

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                • polish_aristocrat
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 40377
                  #5
                  i dont even know exactly what Guba is












                  ( waiting for the n00b comments )
                  I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                    • Brad Gosse
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2002
                      • 2616
                      #6
                      Does Kazaa steal content? No the users do.
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                        • High Plains Drifter
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 2341
                          #7
                          Originally posted by fuzzylogic
                          NO, THEY DONT STEAL CONTENT


                          they provide only a service, much like paypal or ebay
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                            • jimthefiend
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 18889
                              #8
                              Guba is a small shitty island about 90 miles of the Florida coast.


                              Right? Did I win?

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                                • jayeff
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • May 2001
                                  • 2944
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by crockett
                                  Have we sunk even lower that advertisers who's product is built on the theft of paysites content is advertising on GFY?

                                  Are the advertisers even screened or is it just ok if they pay enough?
                                  The answers are implicit in your questions. I'll look in again in a week...

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                                    • woj
                                      <&(©¿©)&>
                                      • Jul 2002
                                      • 47880
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Brujah
                                      Guba is ok. Imagecash not. Fusker not. Right ?
                                      It's 'ok' because there is money to be made from it. Unlike the other 2 sites you described. When you can make $100 per paid member, it doesn't matter if the content is 'stolen'.
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                                        • After Shock Media
                                          It's coming look busy
                                          • Mar 2001
                                          • 35299
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by woj
                                          It's 'ok' because there is money to be made from it. Unlike the other 2 sites you described. When you can make $100 per paid member, it doesn't matter if the content is 'stolen'.
                                          Unless it is your content.
                                          Unless you have some ethics and do not appreciate having your own stuff used for profit without compensation.

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                                            • woj
                                              <&(©¿©)&>
                                              • Jul 2002
                                              • 47880
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by After Shock Media
                                              Unless it is your content.
                                              Unless you have some ethics and do not appreciate having your own stuff used for profit without compensation.
                                              yea, but who cares about minor details like that when you can make some nice $$$ from it. (by the way in case it wasn't obvious, I was being sarcastic in that first post)
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                                                • xclusive
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                  • 35218
                                                  #13
                                                  I would never use them

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                                                    • After Shock Media
                                                      It's coming look busy
                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                      • 35299
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by woj
                                                      yea, but who cares about minor details like that when you can make some nice $$$ from it. (by the way in case it wasn't obvious, I was being sarcastic in that first post)
                                                      My sarcasm radar is offline today for maintenance. It should be brought back online once this skin has expired.

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                                                        • QuaWee
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                          • 5791
                                                          #15
                                                          edited....
                                                          Last edited by QuaWee; 02-20-2006, 12:52 PM.
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                                                            • RawAlex
                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                              • 9465
                                                              #16
                                                              "GUBA is not a primary producer of Usenet content and is therefore exempt from the provisions of 18 U.S.C. hahaha167;2257"

                                                              GUBA is effectively a newsgroup re-seller in a nice package, from what I can tell.

                                                              Alex

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                                                                • Brujah
                                                                  Beer Money Baron
                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                  • 22157
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Tons of great spread eagle Tawnee Stone pics on Guba.

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                                                                    • DamageX
                                                                      Marketing & Strategy
                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                      • 14293
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                      "GUBA is not a primary producer of Usenet content and is therefore exempt from the provisions of 18 U.S.C. hahaha167;2257"

                                                                      GUBA is effectively a newsgroup re-seller in a nice package, from what I can tell.

                                                                      Alex
                                                                      So they don't steal themselves, they just resell the stolen goods. Or better yet, charge you for letting you have access to the thieves' database.
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                                                                        • Linkster
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Feb 2003
                                                                          • 3216
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Guba's been around longer than most of you here - they are just one of many Usenet search services that sprung up back in the 90s - however from what Ive seen Guba actually does respect the DRM labelling to catch copyright theft and does respect (and take down anything that you let them know about) although you really cant do anything about the Usenet posting - unless youre like most of the bigger/smarter programs that use it to their advantage for free advertising.
                                                                          Some rather large programs out there do daily postings to the newsgroups with their media/pics and have a fantastic return because of it - just depends on how you market your stuff and if you can figure out that this mode of advertising is actually a better ratio producer than affiliates sales.
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                                                                            • justsexxx
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Aug 2001
                                                                              • 13723
                                                                              #20
                                                                              They don't steal. It's like: Many thieves steal cars. And I offer space, to ppl can look at the stolen cars, and enjoy them. Of course you have to pay me some money so you can view/use the cars...
                                                                              Questions?

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                                                                                • RawAlex
                                                                                  So Fucking Banned
                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                  • 9465
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Linkster, once they start taking material out of context (out of the newgroup posting) and resell only the content, they are not just providing access to usenet (as google does) but are in fact stripping and reselling the content.

                                                                                  Plenty of the video stuff on that site comes from P2P network. I don't suspect that they have resale rights for shows like Gilligans Island or MASH.

                                                                                  If this isn't over the line, it is sitting right on it.

                                                                                  Alex

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                                                                                    • Nookster
                                                                                      Confirmed IT Professional
                                                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                                                      • 3744
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      My experience with guba: I tried sending traffic to them for weeks...not one single click was recorded.
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                                                                                        • defresto
                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                          • Mar 2003
                                                                                          • 317
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          They don't do as much harm as P2P.
                                                                                          But yes the content is stolen.
                                                                                          They sell not the content itself, but a service to access stolen content.

                                                                                          From my point of view the most important is if a site makes harm to the industry. P2P does. Usenet does. GUBA itself - doesn't make that much harm as the ammount it's customers is not as big as P2P.

                                                                                          Often when people see images in Usenet they come to the website and buy a membership. So it's really important if GUBA has full-sets and movies.

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                                                                                            • RawAlex
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                              • 9465
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              defresto, so because they only steal a little, they are acceptable? So you can kill people as long as a mass murder does more?

                                                                                              theft is theft, regardless.

                                                                                              Alex

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                                                                                                • u-Bob
                                                                                                  there's no $$$ in porn
                                                                                                  • Jul 2005
                                                                                                  • 33063
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  can't wait for a fusker skin

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                                                                                                    • Forkbeard
                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                                                      • 2236
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Somebody's got to speak up for GUBA, since there seems to be a lot of hatred and misunderstanding going on. I guess I'm a good somebody to speak up, since GUBA sends me a huge check every two weeks.

                                                                                                      Long story short: Don't believe all these folks who slam GUBA. The "stolen content" rap is total bullshit; in the niches I promote, the *vast* majority of the content in the newsgroups is actually put there by the content owners to drive traffic to their websites.

                                                                                                      Remember, GUBA is just a friendly interface to the paleolithic part of the internet. Usenet newsgroups, the uncensorable built-to-survive-nuclear-war part. GUBA sells no content and thus is in no position to steal any. It's just an easy way to get at the newsgroups for folks who aren't techie wizards.

                                                                                                      I've had dinner with GUBA's head lawyer, and I'll tell you what: they have the legal shit covered. There's nothing illegal in what they are doing; if there were, some of the rich loudmouths here on GFY would have already sued them back to the stone age.

                                                                                                      Now for the good part: As an affiliate, GUBA is simply awesome to deal with. GUBA has been very very good to me. Their recurring billings are particularly sweet -- they recur at much higher percentages than anything else I've ever promoted. As for service, they are always johnny-on-the-spot for me by email or phone whenever I have a question or issue.

                                                                                                      Quality folks to deal with, great conversions, and the best rebills I've ever encountered. What's not to like?

                                                                                                      My advice: Ignore the haters, and give GUBA a try.
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                                                                                                        • Pornwolf
                                                                                                          Drunk and Unruly
                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                                          • 22712
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Brujah
                                                                                                          Tons of great spread eagle Tawnee Stone pics on Guba.
                                                                                                          Heh heh, I see you are baiting Steve.
                                                                                                          I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

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                                                                                                            • EdgeXXX
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Oct 2005
                                                                                                              • 5816
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by DamageX
                                                                                                              So they don't steal themselves, they just resell the stolen goods. Or better yet, charge you for letting you have access to the thieves' database.

                                                                                                              Exactly...
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                                                                                                                • defresto
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                  • 317
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                                  defresto, so because they only steal a little, they are acceptable? So you can kill people as long as a mass murder does more?

                                                                                                                  theft is theft, regardless.

                                                                                                                  Alex
                                                                                                                  Alex, i don't like the model of GUBA.
                                                                                                                  I am not an affiliate of them and won't promote them.
                                                                                                                  The most important for me is the health of the industry.
                                                                                                                  When i started it was much easier to convert traffic.
                                                                                                                  So i spoke about the harm to the industry in general.

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                                                                                                                    • Brujah
                                                                                                                      Beer Money Baron
                                                                                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                      • 22157
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Pornwolf
                                                                                                                      Heh heh, I see you are baiting Steve.
                                                                                                                      No, really. Guba's filled with all the lightspeed girls. See for yourself. Great pics.

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                                                                                                                        • Mutt
                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                          • 34431
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          GUBA boggles my mind - they don't just provide access to Usenet the way an ISP does - they create thumbnails of the hundreds of thousands of the photos and videos posted to the newsgroups and host those thumbnails on their own servers - and charge money partly for that service - each thumbnail is a copyright infringement the way I read the law - but apparently
                                                                                                                          it's not that cut and dry because GUBA and the other sites like it continue to thrive. copyright cases involving Usenet are very complicated - it is much easier to track down and sue an individual who posts copyrighted material to Usenet then to sue a GUBA or Google. It may be such a daunting task that GUBA has never been sued. GUBA is in not like Kazaa.

                                                                                                                          i just find this very ironic because Playboy who owns this board now are notorious for protecting their copyrights anywhere and everywhere including Usenet.
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                                                                                                                            • Babaganoosh
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                                                                                                                              • Nov 2001
                                                                                                                              • 15841
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Forkbeard
                                                                                                                              The "stolen content" rap is total bullshit; in the niches I promote, the *vast* majority of the content in the newsgroups
                                                                                                                              is actually put there by the content owners to drive traffic to their websites.
                                                                                                                              Bullshit. The *vast* majority of the content in the newsgroups is put there by kids and young adults who have stolen/traded the content. It's a hobby for them. Remember Napster? They claimed that new artists used Napster to promote themselves. Do you really think that the *vast* majority of the music was put there by the artist to gain publicity? I think not. This really isn't much different. GUBA is theft, plain and simple.
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                                                                                                                                • mikeyddddd
                                                                                                                                  Viva la vulva!
                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                  • 16557
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  So there's no problem if I head over to GUBA, download the shit there, upload it to my sites and charge people to access it?

                                                                                                                                  Sweeeeet

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                                                                                                                                    • karlm
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                      • 4194
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Im suprised they have a skin here i must say
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                                                                                                                                        • crockett
                                                                                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 76818
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by karlm
                                                                                                                                          Im suprised they have a skin here i must say

                                                                                                                                          It's pretty fucked up to say the least.. I'm surprised more program owners aren't putting some pressure on them.
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                                                                                                                                            • sinnerscorner
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                              • 194
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              I am also surprised this ad is showed here. This sort of 'services' are killing
                                                                                                                                              sales for most of us I guess. We all know there is a lot of free porn on the net
                                                                                                                                              and on newsgroups but making it easy (search) for the user who is not aware of this yet is a big mistake imho.

                                                                                                                                              Assume a movie is posted in alt.movies.somehwere.hotpornmovies.foobar
                                                                                                                                              which is grabbed by a member and posted on a newsgroup the movie
                                                                                                                                              does not have DRM. Will it it appear on GUBA?

                                                                                                                                              If it does GUBA must have a conversion rate which is very high I think as
                                                                                                                                              they have new content coming in at a very fast rate.

                                                                                                                                              Still I will never promote them.

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                                                                                                                                                • EBV
                                                                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                  • 2
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                  i just find this very ironic because Playboy who owns this board now are notorious for protecting their copyrights anywhere and everywhere including Usenet.
                                                                                                                                                  Guba does not offer access to the (very popular) Playboy newsgroups, so maybe Guba is not insensitive for lawsuit threats?

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                                                                                                                                                    • u-Bob
                                                                                                                                                      there's no $$$ in porn
                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                      • 33063
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Mutt
                                                                                                                                                      GUBA boggles my mind - they don't just provide access to Usenet the way an ISP does - they create thumbnails of the hundreds of thousands of the photos and videos posted to the newsgroups and host those thumbnails on their own servers - and charge money partly for that service - each thumbnail is a copyright infringement
                                                                                                                                                      what he said.

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