Scientific Proof Cheney's Shooting Story A Lie

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  • websiex
    Confirmed User
    • Aug 2004
    • 987
    #51
    Don't Choke On Pheasants!
    Selecting the correct choke for the job at hand is almost as important as being a good shot!

    http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting/pheasant-hunting/
    Yeah and the article says to try to spread the bullets out as much as possible if you do use a choke.

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      • Dollarmansteve
        Confirmed User
        • May 2005
        • 2849
        #52
        Originally posted by chshkt
        Harry Whittington Shooting Ballistics Tested, Cheney shot at Whittington from 15 feet not 90 as claimed

        SYNOPSIS OF VIDEO NEWS REPORT DOCUMENTING SHOOTING TEST
        by Alex Jones

        Below is a ten minute "see-for-yourself" report that conclusively shows that Vice President Dick Cheney's claims to Kennedy County Sheriff's Deputies in south Texas is a total fabrication.

        A massive cover-up has been conducted concerning the shooting. We know that most of the facts that have been told to the public are manufactured frauds.

        Cheney claims that he shot Whittington at 90 feet, ballistic tests from the spread of the shotgun pellets to their penetration depth is 100% conclusive.

        Harry Whittington was shot at close range, between 15 and 18 feet, not the 90 claimed by Dick Cheney and the Secret Service. It is now clear why they refused to let Sheriff's Deputies interview Cheney for over 13 hours and why they claimed that Whittington's injuries were superficial when in truth they were grievous.

        The mainstream media is ignoring this literal smoking gun evidence. Anytime they wish, the local police can conduct their own ballistics tests and they will have the exact same findings. The media can conduct their own tests. The ballistics of shotguns and birdshot is well known to tens of millions of Americans who hunt fowl.

        We have now scientifically proved with an engineer and a police officer on-site conducting the test that the American people are being lied to and a cover-up is in progress.

        http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/...ific_proof.htm

        #1 Who cares
        #2 Who cares
        #3 You are an idiot

        You should spend more time adult webmastering or whatever it is you do and less time polluting your mind with craziness.

        Why can we just not look at reality?

        1. Cheney was out hunting with his buddy
        2. Cheney shot his friend cause he's got a jumpy trigger finger and probably bad eyesight
        3. The dude is fine, did you see his press conference as he left the hospital? barely a mark on the guy.

        This is such a non-issue. Who cares what the 'real' story is? Does anyone care if there was a 'cover-up', what's there to cover-up? Cheney admits he shot the dude.. the dude is totally fine.. so what's the conspiracy??
        I died.

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          • Pandemos
            Confirmed User
            • Jun 2005
            • 956
            #53
            Originally posted by bringer
            facts are only true when you agree with them. everything else is propaganda.
            In theory, a fact is always true. You can't disagree with a fact. Well, you can, but you would be delusional to do so.

            The problems come when things are labelled as facts when they really shouldn't be.
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              • chadglni
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2002
                • 6924
                #54
                Originally posted by WarChild


                Good find Robotx.
                Great picture, now notice on the full choke that while they spread smaller than a standard shotgun blast or other chokes they are still in a funnel pattern? Ok that pattern gets bigger and bigger FAST immediately after leaving the barrel. As I said, 30 yards you'd be picking bb's out of your nose and between your toes.


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                  • chadglni
                    Confirmed User
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 6924
                    #55
                    Originally posted by ronbotx
                    I don't claim to be a ballistics expert. What I am saying is unless you can duplicate the precise condtions of this particular incident, the data is flawed.

                    But that is typical of most of the "irrefutable" evidence presented here.
                    Too bad the idea of common sense never enters your head. Shotguns aren't like some magic thing you pick up and oh look this one shoots butterfly patterns and this one shoots dime patterns! Yes the spread will vary slightly, yes there are multiple chokes, yes you can hunt quail with or without them. The kicker is that with the WORST POSSIBLE COMBINATION you still wouldn't have bb's anywhere near your heart at 90 feet. Like it or hate it you have your head up your ass good.


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                      • Donny
                        As you wish...
                        • May 2002
                        • 13754
                        #56
                        Seriously, who fucking cares?!?! The guy is alright. He looked fine on the video interview he did. He doesn't care, so please STFU.

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                          • directfiesta
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 30186
                            #57
                            They explain = they lie.

                            Nothing new ... I could list tens of lies... but maybe you could list one thruth they ever said...
                            I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                            But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                              • fetishblog
                                Confirmed User
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 5995
                                #58
                                Haha, what a fucking joke.

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                                  • ronbotx
                                    Registered User
                                    • Jan 2002
                                    • 1634
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by chadglni
                                    Too bad the idea of common sense never enters your head. Shotguns aren't like some magic thing you pick up and oh look this one shoots butterfly patterns and this one shoots dime patterns! Yes the spread will vary slightly, yes there are multiple chokes, yes you can hunt quail with or without them. The kicker is that with the WORST POSSIBLE COMBINATION you still wouldn't have bb's anywhere near your heart at 90 feet. Like it or hate it you have your head up your ass good.
                                    http://www.firearmsid.com/A_distshotpatt.htm

                                    "Firearm examiners will try to reproduce the pattern by firing into witness panels at known distances. Shot patterns can be affected by the load, pellet size, wad type, and choke of the shotgun. That is why it is essential that the shotgun is recovered and the type of shotshells used is known. Hopefully some shotshells will be recovered at the scene that can later be used in firing the distance standards. Also, patterns produced by a shotgun at any given distance can vary slightly. Multiple tests patterns will be fired at known distances and compared directly to the pattern in question. Based on this comparison a minimum and maximum firing distance can be determined."


                                    Also, please note the Alex Jones does not name of his so called experts. Show me some evidence from a non-wacko...

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                                      • QuaWee
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2004
                                        • 5791
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                        #1 Who cares
                                        #2 Who cares
                                        #3 You are an idiot

                                        You should spend more time adult webmastering or whatever it is you do and less time polluting your mind with craziness.

                                        Why can we just not look at reality?

                                        1. Cheney was out hunting with his buddy
                                        2. Cheney shot his friend cause he's got a jumpy trigger finger and probably bad eyesight
                                        3. The dude is fine, did you see his press conference as he left the hospital? barely a mark on the guy.

                                        This is such a non-issue. Who cares what the 'real' story is? Does anyone care if there was a 'cover-up', what's there to cover-up? Cheney admits he shot the dude.. the dude is totally fine.. so what's the conspiracy??
                                        typical Chenney nuthugger
                                        i luv mainstream

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                                          • chadglni
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Dec 2002
                                            • 6924
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by ronbotx
                                            http://www.firearmsid.com/A_distshotpatt.htm

                                            "Firearm examiners will try to reproduce the pattern by firing into witness panels at known distances. Shot patterns can be affected by the load, pellet size, wad type, and choke of the shotgun. That is why it is essential that the shotgun is recovered and the type of shotshells used is known. Hopefully some shotshells will be recovered at the scene that can later be used in firing the distance standards. Also, patterns produced by a shotgun at any given distance can vary slightly. Multiple tests patterns will be fired at known distances and compared directly to the pattern in question. Based on this comparison a minimum and maximum firing distance can be determined."


                                            Also, please note the Alex Jones does not name of his so called experts. Show me some evidence from a non-wacko...
                                            That's about the 5th time I've read it. Even after 5 times the fact still stands that regardless of the differences in patterns NONE of them would be what was described in the first post of this thread from 90 feet.


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                                              • lazycash
                                                Troll Patrol
                                                • Aug 2002
                                                • 15214
                                                #62
                                                Its really not going to matter what happens, to chshkt, everything is one big cover up and conspiracy.
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                                                  • ronbotx
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                    • 1634
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by chadglni
                                                    That's about the 5th time I've read it. Even after 5 times the fact still stands that regardless of the differences in patterns NONE of them would be what was described in the first post of this thread from 90 feet.
                                                    Whatever.. Obviously Cheney, the victim, Secret Service, the cops...et al. are ALL lying.
                                                    Yet another coverup and conspiracy.

                                                    And Alex Jones, who is a PAID conspiracy theorist, and you, chksht, and all the other "experts" ( that are always wrong) are all correct.

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                                                      • Dollarmansteve
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • May 2005
                                                        • 2849
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by QuaWee
                                                        typical Chenney nuthugger
                                                        Dude, WTF do I care? Im Canadian and could care less about this whole story. Excuse be for being objective.. I have no political motivation whatsoever.. I just see what happened as hilarious and completely inconsequential.

                                                        So.. go and hug whoever's nuts it is you like hugging.
                                                        I died.

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                                                          • Dollarmansteve
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • May 2005
                                                            • 2849
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by chadglni
                                                            That's about the 5th time I've read it. Even after 5 times the fact still stands that regardless of the differences in patterns NONE of them would be what was described in the first post of this thread from 90 feet.
                                                            What does it matter if he was shot from 5ft, 20ft 90ft... what difference does it make to what happened???!?!?!?!!?!?? The guy got shot.. cheney admits to shooting him.. what got covered up? They lied and said he was shot from 90ft but really it was 15ft? So what? Does that change anything? please educate me with why any of this matters.
                                                            I died.

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                                                              • QuaWee
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Jul 2004
                                                                • 5791
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                                                Dude, WTF do I care? Im Canadian and could care less about this whole story. Excuse be for being objective.. I have no political motivation whatsoever.. I just see what happened as hilarious and completely inconsequential.

                                                                So.. go and hug whoever's nuts it is you like hugging.
                                                                You cared enough to respond to this thread, right? You flammed the guy that just posted a news article. But, than again you don't care right?
                                                                i luv mainstream

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                                                                  • xxxdesign-net
                                                                    My hips don't lie
                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                    • 10129
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by ronbotx
                                                                    that was shown to be landing gear on the INNER wall of the Pengagon, and the predicted 20+ indictments in the Plame case, why would anyone... other than a fellow moron like yourself listen to you?

                                                                    One of the dumbest comment heard in the last week.. congrats...

                                                                    The guy posts fucking links.. not his personal investigation...

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                                                                      • Kevsh
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Dec 2004
                                                                        • 8619
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by jimthefiend
                                                                        Shut up idiot. If the "victim" isn't concerned then why should you be?
                                                                        Yea, you get shot by the VP and then tell him you're going to expose the truth. Hope you sleep with one eye open ... for the rest of your life

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                                                                          • xxxdesign-net
                                                                            My hips don't lie
                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                            • 10129
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                                                            What does it matter if he was shot from 5ft, 20ft 90ft... what difference does it make to what happened???!?!?!?!!?!?? The guy got shot.. cheney admits to shooting him.. what got covered up? They lied and said he was shot from 90ft but really it was 15ft? So what? Does that change anything? please educate me with why any of this matters.

                                                                            uh.. the story was that Cheney never saw the guy.. Makes sense if he was at 90 feet in the bushes... But 10 to 15 feets.. that excuse doesnt make much sense..

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                                                                              • KRL
                                                                                Entrepreneur
                                                                                • Oct 2002
                                                                                • 31429
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Big differenece between the effects of a 12 Gauge with 00 Buck and a lightweight smaller bore 28 Gauge with 3/4 ounces of #7 1/2, 8, and 9 size shot bird shot shell that Cheney was firing.
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                                                                                  • Dollarmansteve
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • May 2005
                                                                                    • 2849
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by QuaWee
                                                                                    You cared enough to respond to this thread, right? You flammed the guy that just posted a news article. But, than again you don't care right?
                                                                                    I mean why do I care that it's Dick Cheney? The implication of your reply was that my opinion was somehow biased because I am a "Cheney nut hugger".. So Im trying to explain to you that my opinion has nothing to do with politics.. which is what you are trying to say.

                                                                                    I do care that this chksht guy is a complete retard and deserves to be flamed every time he posts his nonsense.. and I will continue to post in this thread.. I enjoy it
                                                                                    I died.

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                                                                                      • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                        ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                        • 28609
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        i posted this theory myslef 2 days before it became a conspiracy

                                                                                        I questioned the validity of the distance he was from the victim , because of the wounds. From 30 yards away , to create those kinds of wounds on a PERSON would make it more like a quail pulverizing trip not a hunting trip..

                                                                                        but in the end all it means is cheney was closer than he thought.. doubt it means much more..

                                                                                        The videos are technically invalid as you simply cant re-create 1 gun scenario with another gun's settings
                                                                                        hatisblack at yahoo.com

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                                                                                          • WarChild
                                                                                            Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                            • 17263
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by chadglni
                                                                                            The kicker is that with the WORST POSSIBLE COMBINATION you still wouldn't have bb's anywhere near your heart at 90 feet. Like it or hate it you have your head up your ass good.
                                                                                            I'm going to tell you this one more time and maybe you can understand it this time.

                                                                                            NOBODY WAS SHOT IN THE HEART

                                                                                            Somebody, however, was shot in the chest, face, and shoulder. The marks that were left were described as being like welts.
                                                                                            .

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                                                                                              • xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                My hips don't lie
                                                                                                • Nov 2002
                                                                                                • 10129
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                and I forgot to add also.. the guy was said to be unannounced... could make sense at 90 feet.. not at 10-15 feet..

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                                                                                                  • Dollarmansteve
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • May 2005
                                                                                                    • 2849
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                    uh.. the story was that Cheney never saw the guy.. Makes sense if he was at 90 feet in the bushes... But 10 to 15 feets.. that excuse doesnt make much sense..
                                                                                                    oooo kkkk... sooo.. what.. Cheney was trying to kill the guy? I'll admit the guy isnt too bright (cheney).. but good luck tring to kill a guy with a shotgun loaded with birdshot... i think even he knows that. Not to mention, if dick cheney wants to kill someone and make it look like an accident.... there are alot more effective ways to do it than this.

                                                                                                    So if the implication is that the reason for the 'cover-up' was that this was really a case of attempted murder trying to disguise itself as an accident.. then I think there is some explaining to do. Someone then please provide a solid case to support the accusation.
                                                                                                    Last edited by Dollarmansteve; 02-18-2006, 09:52 AM.
                                                                                                    I died.

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                                                                                                      • WarChild
                                                                                                        Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                        • Jan 2003
                                                                                                        • 17263
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                        The videos are technically invalid as you simply cant re-create 1 gun scenario with another gun's settings
                                                                                                        No use arguing these people don't even understand basic scientific method. Some quack puts together a video and it's like god himself handed it down on tablets.
                                                                                                        .

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                                                                                                          • xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                            My hips don't lie
                                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                                            • 10129
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                            I'm going to tell you this one more time and maybe you can understand it this time.

                                                                                                            NOBODY WAS SHOT IN THE HEART
                                                                                                            So you support the magic bullet theory... a pellet enter the bloodstream of the victim and went to his heart...? I would like to hear a doctor on this one...

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                                                                                                              • WarChild
                                                                                                                Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                                • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                • 17263
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                                So you support the magic bullet theory... a pellet enter the bloodstream of the victim and went to his heart...? I would like to hear a doctor on this one...
                                                                                                                As opposed to the other magic bullet theory ... You know where a pellet passes through the chest plate and enters the heart, all the while the other pellets just leave welt like marks on the man's face?
                                                                                                                .

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                                                                                                                  • scardog
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                    • 886
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    I guess Cheney will have his career ruined the way Teddy Kennedy did when he got drunk, drowned his mistress, and didn't report if for 4 hours.

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                                                                                                                      • xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                                        My hips don't lie
                                                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                        • 10129
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                                                                                                        oooo kkkk... sooo.. what.. Cheney was trying to kill the guy? I'll admit the guy isnt too bright (cheney).. but good luck tring to kill a guy with a shotgun loaded with birdshot... i think even he knows that. Not to mention, if dick cheney wants to kill someone and make it look like an accident.... there are alot more effective ways to do it than this.

                                                                                                                        So if the implication is that the reason for the 'cover-up' was that this was really a case of attempted murder trying to disguise itself as an accident.. then I think there is some explaining to do. Someone then please provide a solid case to support the accusation.

                                                                                                                        could Cheney have been drunk.. shot the guy at 10-15 feet.. That's the problem when people are lying.. unless a bigger investigation is done.. you can only come up with theories, potential motives, etc...

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                                                                                                                          • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                            ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                            • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                            • 28609
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                                            So you support the magic bullet theory... a pellet enter the bloodstream of the victim and went to his heart...? I would like to hear a doctor on this one...
                                                                                                                            i didnt catch what side you were on , but just thought i would point out a small discrepancy..

                                                                                                                            The pellet didnt travel through his bloodstream.. as far as i heard it , the pellet lodged in his heart muscle.. i thought the same thing at first actually..
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                                                                                                                              • stickyfingerz
                                                                                                                                Doin fine
                                                                                                                                • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                • 24984
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by websiex
                                                                                                                                Wow you really are dumb, he was BIRD hunting, the bullets AUTOMATICALLY spread. And you say you know a lot about guns, but you think he is going to be using a modified choke when BIRD HUNTING. WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
                                                                                                                                You dont have a clue do you?

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                                                                                                                                  • KingK7
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                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 6372
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by ronbotx
                                                                                                                                    I would also say that anyone hit at 15 feet with a shotgun , even with birdshot would in much more serious condition than Whittington appears to be.

                                                                                                                                    He'd be dead.

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                                                                                                                                      • xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                                                        My hips don't lie
                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 10129
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by WarChild
                                                                                                                                        As opposed to the other magic bullet theory ... You know where a pellet passes through the chest plate and enters the heart, all the while the other pellets just leave welt like marks on the man's face?
                                                                                                                                        welt like marks? lol.. some people gets bullet shots and not much is showing excpet a small hole.. Second.. didnt the doctors say that they will leave like a 100 pellets in the guy's body? I guess they were kinda deep... And as far as his face.. the pellets ofcourse were stop by his skull/jaw bone...

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                                                                                                                                          • xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                                                            My hips don't lie
                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 10129
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                            i didnt catch what side you were on , but just thought i would point out a small discrepancy..

                                                                                                                                            The pellet didnt travel through his bloodstream.. as far as i heard it , the pellet lodged in his heart muscle.. i thought the same thing at first actually..
                                                                                                                                            yeah.. but now the spin is that it travelled thru is blood stream.. because nobody believe that a pellet shot at 90 feet.. would have pierce into a shirt, lightcoat and orange safety vest, skin, muscle, etc...

                                                                                                                                            but the question here would be how can a pellet travelled to the blood stream unless it has been shot in a artery.. Doctors?

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                                                                                                                                              • SmokeyTheBear
                                                                                                                                                ►SouthOfHeaven
                                                                                                                                                • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                • 28609
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                2.30 Shotgun Choke and Shot Pattern
                                                                                                                                                When a shotshell is fired from a shotgun, the pellets leave the barrel and begin to spread or scatter. The farther the pellets travel, the greater the spread of shot. Shotgun barrels have a choke to control the spread or shot pattern. Read more about how to pattern a shotgun in Chapter 3.

                                                                                                                                                choke: The degree of narrowing at the muzzle end of the shotgun barrel

                                                                                                                                                shot pattern: The spread of shot pellets after they hit a non-moving target

                                                                                                                                                The choke of a shotgun acts like the nozzle of a garden hose. As the nozzle is tightened, water shoots out in a long, narrow stream, similar to the full choke on a shotgun. As the nozzle is opened, similar to the cylinder choke on a shotgun, water shoots out in a wide spray.

                                                                                                                                                Your distance from the target determines the choke you need. The choke does not alter the shotgunhahaha8217;s powerhahaha8212;it just controls how tight or spread out the shot pattern will be at a specific distance.

                                                                                                                                                The spread effect of the most common chokes is illustrated below. The choke controls how much shot will hit in a certain area at different ranges.

                                                                                                                                                Cylinder choke is an unconstricted barrel. The shot pattern spreads quickly.
                                                                                                                                                Improved Cylinder has a slight constriction. It allows the shot pattern to spread fairly quickly. This is a good choice for quail, rabbits, and other upland game.
                                                                                                                                                Modified choke has moderate constriction. The shot stays together longer, making the pattern more dense and useful at longer ranges. This choke is often used for dove hunting and is the preferred choke when using steel shot to hunt for ducks or geese. There is also an Improved Modified choke that is slightly tighter than Modified.
                                                                                                                                                Full choke has tight constriction. The shot holds together even longer, so ithahaha8217;s good for squirrels, turkey, and other game shot at 35- to 40-yard ranges. Turkey hunters sometimes use Extra Full or Turkey choke for even denser patterns at long range.
                                                                                                                                                Last edited by SmokeyTheBear; 02-18-2006, 10:08 AM.
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                                                                                                                                                  • Probono
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                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Cheney did ot shoot him intentionally, he was friend. It was an accident whether at 15 feet or 90 feet. There are much bigger ore important issues about Cheney spend time researching them instead.

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                                                                                                                                                      • Dollarmansteve
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                                                                                                                                                        • May 2005
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                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                                                                        could Cheney have been drunk.. shot the guy at 10-15 feet.. That's the problem when people are lying.. unless a bigger investigation is done.. you can only come up with theories, potential motives, etc...
                                                                                                                                                        so what if he was drunk.. does that change what happened? How is the outcome of this situation any different if cheney was drunk? Can somebody tell me what the conspiracy is and what was covered up. were aliens involved?
                                                                                                                                                        I died.

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                                                                                                                                                          • WarChild
                                                                                                                                                            Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                            • 17263
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                                                                            but the question here would be how can a pellet travelled to the blood stream unless it has been shot in a artery.. Doctors?
                                                                                                                                                            I guess it would have to be a small pellet in an artery like you said. Much the same manner that a blood clot in a vein can move and cause a stroke? I don't know if it's possible, but you're right it's certainly not probable.
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                                                                                                                                                              • 2HousePlague
                                                                                                                                                                CURATOR
                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2004
                                                                                                                                                                • 14572
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                It never ceases to amaze me how all debates between "conspiracy nuts" and "status-quo Rationalists" are exactly alike. Seriously, you could just do a find-replace on all the nouns and this could be about 911.
                                                                                                                                                                tada!

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                                                                                                                                                                  • xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                                                                                    My hips don't lie
                                                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                    • 10129
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                                                                                                                                                    so what if he was drunk.. does that change what happened? How is the outcome of this situation any different if cheney was drunk? Can somebody tell me what the conspiracy is and what was covered up. were aliens involved?
                                                                                                                                                                    Are you even serious.. can you imgine the headlines.. Cheney Drunk, shot pal 10 foots away... Yeah you're right why would they ever want to cover that up...

                                                                                                                                                                    And btw.. cant you get in trouble with the law, in Texas, if you shot a guy while drunk...?

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Dollarmansteve
                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2005
                                                                                                                                                                        • 2849
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                                                                                        Are you even serious.. can you imgine the headlines.. Cheney Drunk, shot pal 10 foots away... Yeah you're right why would they ever want to cover that up...

                                                                                                                                                                        And btw.. cant you get in trouble with the law, in Texas, if you shot a guy while drunk...?
                                                                                                                                                                        I would argue that the outcome for Cheney is just as bad, regardless of whether they covered-up that fact that he was drunk. The headlines are still as damaging personally and professionally. Also.. I fail to see how if the guy were shot at 15ft away implies that Cheney was drunk? this is just rampant, irresponsible speculation

                                                                                                                                                                        I would think that if the 'government' or whatever really wanted to cover something up, they would have come up with a different story.. that the guy who was shot would have been whisked away to a military hospital via helicopter and Cheney would have never been involved in any way.. now THAT would be a cover-up.. and not very difficult to do. This story would have never seen the light of day if there was a decision to perform a cover-up.
                                                                                                                                                                        Last edited by Dollarmansteve; 02-18-2006, 10:20 AM.
                                                                                                                                                                        I died.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • xxxdesign-net
                                                                                                                                                                            My hips don't lie
                                                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                            • 10129
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Dollarmansteve

                                                                                                                                                                            I would think that if the 'government' or whatever really wanted to cover something up, they would have come up with a different story.. that the guy who was shot would have been whisked away to a military hospital via helicopter and Cheney would have never been involved in any way.. now THAT would be a cover-up.. and not very difficult to do. This story would have never seen the light of day if there was a decision to perform a cover-up.

                                                                                                                                                                            right.... but it looks like that woman Amstrong, the ranch owner, leaked the news to her pal journalist without the knowledge of Cheney...

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                                                                                                                                                                              • BobG
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                http://dickcheneyquailhunt.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • jjjay
                                                                                                                                                                                    Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 1813
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by 2HousePlague
                                                                                                                                                                                    It never ceases to amaze me how all debates between "conspiracy nuts" and "status-quo Rationalists" are exactly alike. Seriously, you could just do a find-replace on all the nouns and this could be about 911.
                                                                                                                                                                                    yup. there's no reasoning with idiots who believe any conspiracy theory put in front of them.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • pornguy
                                                                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 62910
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Using the word scientific is no where near the correct thing. Scientific, would have been using the same exact gun, in the same weather, with the same clothing, and every thing being as close to identical as you could.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Dont get me wrong. I am no bird hunter, and I knew that he was full of shit.
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • pocketkangaroo
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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 8452
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            I think the reason he was hidden and this was delayed is because he was drunk as piss during it. Most hunters drink, Cheney was a known drinker. What do you need 13 hours to do? Sober up.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • minusonebit
                                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 7391
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by websiex
                                                                                                                                                                                                Because if you or I did the same thing we would be out on bail right now.
                                                                                                                                                                                                When did they start giving anyone other than Hollywood types bail on murder charges?

                                                                                                                                                                                                That video is amazing... nothing surprises me anymore... I swear.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • WarChild
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Let slip the dogs of war.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 17263
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by minusonebit
                                                                                                                                                                                                    When did they start giving anyone other than Hollywood types bail on murder charges?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    That video is amazing... nothing surprises me anymore... I swear.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    You honestly think that if Cheney wanted to murder somebody he'd do it with a shot gun in front of people? You don't think there's more covert ways to do such things?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh yeah, the guy didn't die, so that makes murder even less likely.
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nookster
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed IT Professional
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 3744
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        That site is filled with propaganda. I seriously doubt they have any credibility whatsoever. Interesting though.
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