Howcome we (US) are not allowed to make $ from gambling sites?

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  • woj
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    • Jul 2002
    • 47880

    #51
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    • Steen2
      Confirmed User
      • Feb 2004
      • 7662

      #52
      Originally posted by spunkmaster
      Years ago I sat on the Int'l Gaming Council when it was legal in the US
      to operate a casino on the internet and I can tell you it wasn't Vegas that got it banned.

      It was the Senators from MO, MI, NJ and Nevada. They sponsored a law that made it illegal to use any interstate communications device to place bets that were a game of chance.

      The case of USLotto.com (An Indian Casino in Idaho) went to the Supreme Court
      and the Casino lost.

      The bottom line is it's illegal for any US Citizen to use any phone, computer or device that moves over state lines to place bets even if the casino is not in the USA.
      Doesn't PartyPoker allow US members?
      ICQ: 2262.73945

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      • spunkmaster
        Confirmed User
        • Jan 2004
        • 2052

        #53
        "Doesn't PartyPoker allow US members?"

        Yes they do but they are not a US Company they are now a Public UK company.

        The US people who gamble on their site are breaking the law not Party Poker !

        It might be interesting to note that the casions sued Visa and Mastercard in Australia
        so they could take US Customers credit cards and the casinos won. That's why most
        casinos online have an Australian Corp even if they are also in the UK or St/ Kitts etc...

        As a result of the courts ruling in Australia Visa and Mastercard cannot block US Customers from using their services via coded credit cards. Anotherwords the casinos
        can operate as non-casinos as far as Visa/MC are concerned so they can take US Cards and not block them.

        I've heard that V/MC are going to code their credit cards for adult next year the same way they do for casinos so US Issued cards cannot be used for porn and this is why the US Gov't isn't going after porn too much?

        If you remember Clinton tried to outlaw porn and the Supreme Court ruled that 1st Ammendment rights trumped the law so they are put pressure on the credit card issuers and processors and coding the cards so they can't be used for adult is the next step.

        I think this is stupid because pre-paid credit cards are starting to take off and you can now get a pre-paid Visa or Mastercard without any ID or address attached to the card.

        So, if you want to start a new business start selling non US pre-paid credit cards
        to Americans.

        The cards have a $1000 monthly limit to keep terrorists and drug dealers from laundering money but porn surfers don't need that much.

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        • spunkmaster
          Confirmed User
          • Jan 2004
          • 2052

          #54
          I forgot to add that the reason V/MC codes their cards so you can gamble isn't
          because of the Gov't. There was a woman who racked up $500K about 5 years ago in California and sued them because she said they should have stopped her from using their credit cards for poker.

          The court in CA ruled in her favor for 5 Million Dollars and V/MC had to pay up. It went to the 9th Court of Appeals and they ruled against V/MC so they got stung pretty hard.

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          • Lee
            Confirmed User
            • Aug 2002
            • 2977

            #55
            Spunkmaster, thanks for some interesting insights.

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            • Rui
              web
              • Dec 2001
              • 9533

              #56
              Originally posted by xlogger
              I would be in adult for 5 years, save $, make my own site.

              And i dont know how i will promote it, i will play it by ear. I donno.

              (i still plan on doing this, i will just move to another country if its not legal here by then. )
              the "plan" has failure written all over it ;)

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              • Rhesus
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2004
                • 2009

                #57
                xlogger, I have to admit I've never seen anyone as naive (and at times, plain dumb) as you. Yes, plain dumb.

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                • xlogger
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 9507

                  #58
                  Originally posted by Rhesus
                  xlogger, I have to admit I've never seen anyone as naive (and at times, plain dumb) as you. Yes, plain dumb.
                  booooooooo hoooooooo i wish i cared what people over the internet thought of me.

                  ----------
                  XLOGGER [REFLECTED] [OH]

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                  • fuzebox
                    making it rain
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 22363

                    #59
                    Originally posted by spunkmaster
                    I forgot to add that the reason V/MC codes their cards so you can gamble isn't
                    because of the Gov't. There was a woman who racked up $500K about 5 years ago in California and sued them because she said they should have stopped her from using their credit cards for poker.

                    The court in CA ruled in her favor for 5 Million Dollars and V/MC had to pay up. It went to the 9th Court of Appeals and they ruled against V/MC so they got stung pretty hard.
                    That is so ridiculously typical. The extent to which American courts encourage lack of personal responsibility is apalling.

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                    • 4Pics
                      Confirmed User
                      • Dec 2001
                      • 7952

                      #60
                      Where is there case law that shows it is illegal for webmasters to promote poker?

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                      • stevo
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 2051

                        #61
                        Mad you can't promote online gambling? Pretty soon betting online will be banned...

                        Thursday February 16th:
                        Lawmakers make new push to ban Internet gambling:
                        http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060216/..._congress_dc_1

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                        • SportsBook
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 344

                          #62
                          Originally posted by stevo
                          Mad you can't promote online gambling? Pretty soon betting online will be banned...

                          Thursday February 16th:
                          Lawmakers make new push to ban Internet gambling:

                          According to a number of lawyers that we have talked with. The chances of this law being actually passing is remote.

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                          • phogirl69
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jul 2001
                            • 3330

                            #63
                            Originally posted by Jarmusch
                            Would you be able to sleep at night knowing the money you're making comes from other's family bankruptcies?
                            I would be able to sleep just fine. Porn is addicting, so are webcams as someone said.

                            So is shopping and makeup, I've been hanging around on some makeup boards and some girls have 10-20k worth of MAC makeup.

                            Some people are addicted to buying designer clothes and purses and will rather spend thousands on buying clothes and purses rather than buying their own homes or paying their bills.

                            I read fashion boards and I've seen people like that, and then they go broke and have to "sell-off" their used makeup and clothes...

                            Some people are so addicted to designer clothes that they will hook and fuck for them (i read this is the trend in Japan now for young women).

                            EVERTYHING can be addicted if you don't have commone sense, and it's simply not my problem.

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                            • Promo Chicks
                              Confirmed User
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 470

                              #64
                              Click my link and make some money now,
                              ...making a little cash, keeping our panties on.

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                              • Scootermuze
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2001
                                • 4513

                                #65
                                Originally posted by 4Pics
                                Where is there case law that shows it is illegal for webmasters to promote poker?
                                It could possibly be included in the aiding and abetting... Being an accessory to illegal activities.. yada yada... I'm sure if they wanted to make life difficult for affiliates... they could do it..

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                                • crockett
                                  in a van by the river
                                  • May 2003
                                  • 76818

                                  #66
                                  Because only big business can make money in gambling. You think they are going to let some measly web affiliates get in on their racket?
                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                  • High Plains Drifter
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Jun 2005
                                    • 2341

                                    #67
                                    Spunkmaster knows what he's talking about. About 4 years ago I worked for a company that was poised to work within the the new online gaming laws - partnering with a brick and mortar casino to distribute PC-connected devices composed of GPS, biometrics, and smart card. Biometric to verify age, GPS to determine state lines, and smart card for... well, mainly cause it was a cool buzzword to investors. We had the blessing of the NGCB at the time and were poised to take over the world.... yeah, you've heard that story before.

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                                    • SportsBook
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Feb 2006
                                      • 344

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by Scootermuze
                                      It could possibly be included in the aiding and abetting... Being an accessory to illegal activities.. yada yada... I'm sure if they wanted to make life difficult for affiliates... they could do it..
                                      That is just scare tactics - there are no prosecutions for affiliates or players that we or our lawyers have found that show this.

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                                      • pr0
                                        rockin tha trailerpark
                                        • May 2001
                                        • 23088

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by Alky
                                        are you sure? live cam shows can be very costly, and addicting.
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                                        • romeoboi
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2003
                                          • 343

                                          #70
                                          is it legal if you are a US webmaster to only promote casino sites to non-us traffic?

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                                          • SportsBook
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Feb 2006
                                            • 344

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by romeoboi
                                            is it legal if you are a US webmaster to only promote casino sites to non-us traffic?
                                            The origin of the traffic doesnt matter - USA or outside USA customers.

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                                            • Sosa
                                              In Tushy Land
                                              • Oct 2002
                                              • 40149

                                              #72
                                              I'm with you on this one. Would love to have a nice legal site. Take the money right from em get the big rollers that spend thousands and thousands per day. I see it everyday in sports gambling.

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                                              • SportsBook
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Feb 2006
                                                • 344

                                                #73
                                                Originally posted by Sosa
                                                I'm with you on this one. Would love to have a nice legal site. Take the money right from em get the big rollers that spend thousands and thousands per day. I see it everyday in sports gambling.
                                                Sosa - hit me up on ICQ or AIM

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                                                • TheJimmy
                                                  ICQ- five seven 0 2 5 5 0
                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                  • 10747

                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by KRL


                                                  Because Steve Wynn, and all the other casino operators in Vegas don't want you taking money out of their pockets.

                                                  That and we also enjoy the same rights and liberties as our newly liberated Iraqi friends...


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                                                  • Rui
                                                    web
                                                    • Dec 2001
                                                    • 9533

                                                    #75
                                                    bump....

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                                                    • jjjay
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • Jun 2005
                                                      • 1813

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by Rui
                                                      bump....
                                                      why?....

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