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02-12-2006, 09:37 AM

The folks at Xpays are intelligent professionals. Their business model is based on affiliates - their actions are in defense and support of their honest affiliates that are playing by the rules.

Everyone with exclusive content in their program should bow to the genius and integrity of Xpays for setting this example. No one ever appreciates the guys in the white hats until the town is rid of the vermin that have made it so hard for decent folks to get along...

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02-12-2006, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by Far-L

The folks at Xpays are intelligent professionals. Their business model is based on affiliates - their actions are in defense and support of their honest affiliates that are playing by the rules.

Hmm but they wont answer affiliates questions ? even simple ones like " can i advertise on sites like google adwords "

I have never heard any other company threaten adult webmasters with dmca and serp removal if they "link to infringers" and then not explain in any way what they consider infringment..

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02-12-2006, 10:17 AM

Smokey, how about reading the fucking DMCA and figuring out for yourself what is considered infringiment?
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02-12-2006, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by Lord Nelson

Smokey, how about reading the fucking DMCA and figuring out for yourself what is considered infringiment?

Hey nelson how about reading my fucking posts and figuring out that it doesnt matter what I CONSIDER infringment or what the LAW considers infringement , its what XPAYS considers infringement..

I dont get paid by THE LAW.. dayumm

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02-12-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

Hey nelson how about reading my fucking posts and figuring out that it doesnt matter what I CONSIDER infringment or what the LAW considers infringement , its what XPAYS considers infringement..

I dont get paid by THE LAW.. dayumm

First of all xpays wont tell you shit.

Second, xpays have to play by THE LAWS, not by rules that they make on the spot.
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02-12-2006, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by Lord Nelson

First of all xpays wont tell you shit.

Second, xpays have to play by THE LAWS, not by rules that they make on the spot.

No they dont .. they can play any rules they want and i could litigate if i felt wronged but that doesnt sound like a very healthy sponsor-affiliate relationship now does it..

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02-12-2006, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

Hmm but they wont answer affiliates questions ? even simple ones like " can i advertise on sites like google adwords "

I have never heard any other company threaten adult webmasters with dmca and serp removal if they "link to infringers" and then not explain in any way what they consider infringment..

They are saying you can advertise but just not in a way that infringes then asking for examples - then you are saying that you have so many pages that you can't even pick out an example...

No offense but I see more vagueness on your part than theirs...

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02-12-2006, 11:08 AM

Originally posted by Far-L

They are saying you can advertise but just not in a way that infringes then asking for examples - then you are saying that you have so many pages that you can't even pick out an example...

No offense but I see more vagueness on your part than theirs...

Again , you need to try reading the thread.. examples posted an no reply..

the easiest example is GOOGLE itself.. they host, and serve copyright images, they sell advertising to people like me and half the planet..

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02-12-2006, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

Again , you need to try reading the thread.. examples posted an no reply..

My apologies...

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02-12-2006, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Far-L

My apologies...

no prob i already feel like a dick trying to get some answers here , and i truly dont mean to offend xpays .. i fully support their right to fight people who violate their copyright but not at the risk of hurting innocent people in the process..

The only "example" we have to go by is perfect10 and we know legit people got swept up in the mess. So i dont think its such a hard request to ask " can we use service like googe adwords"

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02-12-2006, 11:22 AM

every sponsor has a tos and every sponsor ( well most ) hold copyright's on their materials, the only difference here is how they are going about enforcing those rights.. and all im trying to clarify is to what extent they want to pursue their rights to that we as affiliates can be prepared..

"link to infringers se link go bye bye " - paraphrased is a very vague statement .. to the layperson that means i cant link to google because in my eyes they are infringing on xpays copyright ( and many other sites ) go ask a lawyer if google images is legal.. the only answer you will come up with is " better have big pockets"

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02-12-2006, 11:34 AM

Smokey I did not read the whole thread but Xpays has been great to deal with. They are pretty easy on sending traffic to them. If you have Paris traffic just save the head ache and send it to Xpays.
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02-12-2006, 11:38 AM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

the easiest example is GOOGLE itself.. they host, and serve copyright images, they sell advertising to people like me and half the planet..

Perfect10 are suing google for exactly that.

you might want to read more about that lawsuit.
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02-12-2006, 12:01 PM

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Smokey I did not read the whole thread but Xpays has been great to deal with. They are pretty easy on sending traffic to them. If you have Paris traffic just save the head ache and send it to Xpays.

You should have read the thread. That's exactly what he is doing.

The cloudiness is over the "link to infringers" part. If you link or trade traffic or whatever to the wrong site, you'll be DMCA'd too anyway.

Do you run a Celeb TGP ? Are you promoting Xpays ? Great. Are you linking to paparazzi, unzipped, freecelebritymoviearchive, etc.. also ? Your TGP domains just got removed from Google by DMCA.

Now you find yourself penalized by who you linked to, as part of xpays business model. You need to take the time and check everyone you are linking to and make sure THEY are not promoting Paris Hilton.

I think that's why this thread has so many questions and examples and vagueness.

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02-12-2006, 12:19 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

Do you run a Celeb TGP ? Are you promoting Xpays ? Great. Are you linking to paparazzi, unzipped, freecelebritymoviearchive, etc.. also ? Your TGP domains just got removed from Google by DMCA.

Man, this is bullshit. Why hasnt anyone bothered to actually read the DMCA about infringiment with links?
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02-12-2006, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by Lord Nelson

Man, this is bullshit. Why hasnt anyone bothered to actually read the DMCA about infringiment with links?

Because to many asshats come in here and toss around namecalling at the people raising the questions, and justify this all with "its for infringers".

Once again the only way to protect yourself and your sites is to not promote anything or do business with anybody promoting xpays.

Selling their shit is not worth the headaches.

Its almost like the headhunt in the states right now for child porn but really going after normal adult webmasters. Xpays is using their copyright to abuse the system to increase there own bottom line, and all of us may pay a price for it, and all the while looking for support to "protect their copyright".

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02-12-2006, 12:30 PM

Where is the DMCA? Can you provide a link to it?

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02-12-2006, 12:33 PM

I get this when I go to read the actual complaint so far.

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02-12-2006, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

Where is the DMCA? Can you provide a link to it?

http://www.google.com/search?q=dmca
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02-12-2006, 12:35 PM

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Where is the DMCA? Can you provide a link to it?

A search on chillingeffects only returns this for me.

http://www.chillingeffects.org/domai...i?NoticeID=195

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02-12-2006, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by Lord Nelson

http://www.google.com/search?q=dmca

I thought you were talking about Xpays specific DMCA actions. Not the actual DMCA.

What matters is Xpays definition of what constitutes an infringer or not, because Google is going to comply with them. Unless someone is unjustly removed and takes full legal recourse against them. Is it really worth even bothering with them at this point if you've got to worry about who you are linking to?

MrSkin has 9 clips of the Paris Hilton video. Can you promote them without Xpays removing your domains from Google,MSN,Yahoo,etc.. over it? After this thread, I'm not sure anymore.

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02-12-2006, 01:11 PM

Maybe i need to add some program urls here and a few MASSIVE tgps and linklists that i allready found to be in violation according to what we know as a violation in xpays eyes. I can see 10-12 HUGE sites right now that are gonna be dmca'd, and i assure you, they will suffer.

Get a few programs and big traffic players in here getting there shit removed from google and give xpays some healthy opponents? You guys know if they include your url with the notice that it may take YEARS to get your pages/domains back in google, even if they are not in violation.

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02-12-2006, 01:14 PM

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Hang on, I am calling the internet police.

Some people feel the needs to suck lawyer cock.

Brad, something is wrong... This is the second time (THIS MONTH!!) that I fully agree with you.

Insecure, litigious, and over compensating for short comings come to mind also.
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02-12-2006, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

I thought you were talking about Xpays specific DMCA actions. Not the actual DMCA.

What matters is Xpays definition of what constitutes an infringer or not, because Google is going to comply with them. Unless someone is unjustly removed and takes full legal recourse against them. Is it really worth even bothering with them at this point if you've got to worry about who you are linking to?

MrSkin has 9 clips of the Paris Hilton video. Can you promote them without Xpays removing your domains from Google,MSN,Yahoo,etc.. over it? After this thread, I'm not sure anymore.

http://tour.mrskin.com:80/Stars/07356/Paris_Hilton.htm

If xpays file a bullshit report and google removes you, you can send google a counter-notification and they have to put you back in in 14 days.
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02-12-2006, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Hardlinks

You guys know if they include your url with the notice that it may take YEARS to get your pages/domains back in google, even if they are not in violation.

Please stop talking out of your ass.
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02-12-2006, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by Far-L

The folks at Xpays are intelligent professionals. Their business model is based on affiliates - their actions are in defense and support of their honest affiliates that are playing by the rules.

Everyone with exclusive content in their program should bow to the genius and integrity of Xpays for setting this example. No one ever appreciates the guys in the white hats until the town is rid of the vermin that have made it so hard for decent folks to get along...

As I see it, his business model is based 50% on suing people and threats.

If he wanted to DMCA people... then just do it. No need to come on GFY and stroke yourself into a frenzy.
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02-12-2006, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by Brujah

I thought you were talking about Xpays specific DMCA actions. Not the actual DMCA.

What matters is Xpays definition of what constitutes an infringer or not, because Google is going to comply with them. Unless someone is unjustly removed and takes full legal recourse against them. Is it really worth even bothering with them at this point if you've got to worry about who you are linking to?

MrSkin has 9 clips of the Paris Hilton video. Can you promote them without Xpays removing your domains from Google,MSN,Yahoo,etc.. over it? After this thread, I'm not sure anymore.

http://tour.mrskin.com:80/Stars/07356/Paris_Hilton.htm

Fair Use Clause covers the above use, to the despair of Evan.

XPAYs already threatened Mr Skin with legal action.
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02-12-2006, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Lord Nelson

Perfect10 are suing google for exactly that.

you might want to read more about that lawsuit.

I have read plently on that . THATS THE POINT.

I USE GOOGLE ADWORDS and many similar products.. so if GOOGLE is INFRINGING and i'm linking to it.. then i wont get paid , so basically you cant use adwords with xpays. ( i dont know thats the case but i have asked several times if it is ok and nobody has said yes yet )

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02-12-2006, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by XPays

i have contacted every single one in advance- if they comply they are fine- complying does not mean they are forced to promote us. it means that they either use our content to promote us or not use our content and promote something else for starters. these cases we have been pursuing are not borderline cases I will add- they are crystal clear. in filing dmca, the filer cannot make a mistake because the link owner in question has recourse. We are not new at this either.

BULLSHIT.

You did not do this in 2004. You had your lawyers contact Google to get a bunch of sites removed, EVEN if these webmasters became compliant after you'd gotten more visibility for your retarded, non-converting sites like Trust Fund Girls and Hotel Heiress.

Then your dumb ass lost money when these COMPLIANT sites were removed months after they'd changed their links to your non-converting sites with bullshit content and DRM files that nobody wanted.

You are hurting yourself in the end with all this nonsense. SEOs can make you a lot of money if you don't use all your resources to fuck them over.

You are like the RIAA. It's a losing battle.

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02-12-2006, 03:48 PM

Originally posted by davidd

As I see it, his business model is based 50% on suing people and threats.

If he wanted to DMCA people... then just do it. No need to come on GFY and stroke yourself into a frenzy.

This is the most accurate post of all time, ever.

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02-12-2006, 04:16 PM

Fact: XPays has UDRP'd for domains like xxxpays.com for example. XPays has never ever sued another company or individual EVER. FIND ME ONE CASE. Because we do highly visible deals, from time to time we are a PARTY to somebody else's lawsuit. We have never sued anybody ever. A c&d is not a lawsuit- Rick Salomon's lawsuits are not ours, nor do we have a direct financial interest in them.

This is GFY so all opinions are welcomed but smokey and others seem incredibly off-base while many here seem very astute at the same time. To me, that is the secret sauce of GFY and why it is an asset to the community.

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02-12-2006, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Harrison Richard

BULLSHIT.

You did not do this in 2004. You had your lawyers contact Google to get a bunch of sites removed, EVEN if these webmasters became compliant after you'd gotten more visibility for your retarded, non-converting sites like Trust Fund Girls and Hotel Heiress.

Then your dumb ass lost money when these COMPLIANT sites were removed months after they'd changed their links to your non-converting sites with bullshit content and DRM files that nobody wanted.

You are hurting yourself in the end with all this nonsense. SEOs can make you a lot of money if you don't use all your resources to fuck them over.

You are like the RIAA. It's a losing battle.

our top voluntary seo partners sales are getting higher throughout this battle. you think there are not a lot of professionals who greatly appreciate this? there are- and we focus on them - not THIEVES AND CROOKS. Our client does not give two shits about pissing off THIEVES AND CROOKS.

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02-12-2006, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by XPays

This is GFY so all opinions are welcomed but smokey and others seem incredibly off-base while many here seem very astute at the same time. To me, that is the secret sauce of GFY and why it is an asset to the community.

if by "off-base" you mean , asked some questions that never got answered then yes..

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02-12-2006, 04:23 PM

I have nothing against xpays , i have even sent in complaints about violators to you on several occasions.. i just wanted some answers , if you dont want to answer them thats fine but dont call my comments "off base"

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02-12-2006, 04:23 PM

I issue DMCA notices all the time. I think I have a right to protect what I have paid for. Why should someone steal something that is mine? I have it easier though as m content has not been as abused as the Paris Hilton tape.
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02-12-2006, 04:24 PM

http://com.webspacemania.com/abc/x2.html

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02-12-2006, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

how about something like this .. ? ok to link to or not ?

http://com.webspacemania.com/abc/x2.html

hi smokey-

sorry to keep you waiting- the text on this page

" This picture comes straight out of the new Paris Hilton DVD where she is getting ready to suck some big ole cock. Mind you for being a rich bitch - she is pretty good at it! Looking for the full video to watch - fuck that just buy it and keep it forever!"

is raising a flag yes. i would leave it to the lawyers to decide exactly how to address it and let you know.

also "YES THERE IS AND WE HAVE IT!
DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE PARIS HILTON SEX VIDEO?
THEN YOU HAD BETTER CLICK HERE"

but the link goes to a 404.

So - it does raise flags enough to cause concern but the cases we are dealing with are not even close to this style. They are BLACK AND WHITE.

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02-12-2006, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

I have nothing against xpays , i have even sent in complaints about violators to you on several occasions.. i just wanted some answers , if you dont want to answer them thats fine but dont call my comments "off base"

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02-12-2006, 04:31 PM

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hi smokey-

sorry to keep you waiting- the text on this page

" This picture comes straight out of the new Paris Hilton DVD where she is getting ready to suck some big ole cock. Mind you for being a rich bitch - she is pretty good at it! Looking for the full video to watch - fuck that just buy it and keep it forever!"

is raising a flag yes. i would leave it to the lawyers to decide exactly how to address it and let you know.

also "YES THERE IS AND WE HAVE IT!
DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE PARIS HILTON SEX VIDEO?
THEN YOU HAD BETTER CLICK HERE"

but the link goes to a 404.

So - it does raise flags enough to cause concern but the cases we are dealing with are not even close to this style. They are BLACK AND WHITE.

i just posted the page as an example of what other popular seo's do. That was cut from one of the bigger known seo's on the board

and heres another example..

http://com.webspacemania.com/abc/x1.html

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02-12-2006, 04:31 PM

If multiple people have the rights to use the content then isnt it going to be a bit hard to control the theft unless all the people allowed to use it arent all paying for the same group of lawyers to continue to work together deciding on what is allowed and what isnt?
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02-12-2006, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by davidd

Fair Use Clause covers the above use, to the despair of Evan.

XPAYs already threatened Mr Skin with legal action.

Oh and I hope you have your ducks in a row. That looks commercial to me and your history of infringement with flashcash is well documented. I should not have let you off the hook so easily is my final comment and have a nice day.

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02-12-2006, 04:34 PM

Originally posted by Relish XXX

If multiple people have the rights to use the content then isnt it going to be a bit hard to control the theft unless all the people allowed to use it arent all paying for the same group of lawyers to continue to work together deciding on what is allowed and what isnt?

No not at all- redlight has stopped dvd pirates while our side deals with internet. sometimes there is overlap but all is delineated and concise.

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02-12-2006, 04:35 PM

eventually theres a link to you guys ( the dead links represent more similar pages that eventually has an xpays link under some other stuff )

Its always nice to know where the boundary is.

Can i say i have it then link to other celeb sponsors above you and put a small text link on the bottom ? and then the images thing.. can i use thumbnail images ( regardless of linkage )

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02-12-2006, 04:35 PM

catch up later- gotta run - have a good one 'til then

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02-12-2006, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

eventually theres a link to you guys ( the dead links represent more similar pages that eventually has an xpays link under some other stuff )

Its always nice to know where the boundary is.

Can i say i have it then link to other celeb sponsors above you and put a small text link on the bottom ? and then the images thing.. can i use thumbnail images ( regardless of linkage )

short answer - no. if any part of the question is a no then the whole question is no. the first prob is the using of thumbnails not in made available by us for promotion of the online video. gotta jet- back later.

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02-12-2006, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by SmokeyTheBear

i just posted the page as an example of what other popular seo's do. That was cut from one of the bigger known seo's on the board

and heres another example..

http://com.webspacemania.com/abc/x1.html

ROFL, is that xxxjays site? fucking se spammer

http://com.webspacemania.com/abc/x1.html

http://www.jays-xxx-links.com/paris_..._sex_video.jpg

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02-12-2006, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by XPays

you think there are not a lot of professionals who greatly appreciate this? there are- and we focus on them - not THIEVES AND CROOKS. Our client does not give two shits about pissing off THIEVES AND CROOKS.

Then why is he/she doing business with one?

You have a history of buying stolen e-mail lists, allowing affiliates to spam stolen e-mail lists from such places as billers and competing sponsors, and screaming things like "I AM THE KING OF SPAM!" while doing 6 inch lines at the 420 parties.

Coming from mother teresa this might have some meaning, but let's not forget where everybody came from.... discovery is a BITCH.
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02-12-2006, 06:03 PM

so when i link to a site that uses your content for promotion for non xpays sites, i get banned from SE's? How the hell do i know what sites are doing this from all the sites i link to, from all my sites? And that makes me the bad guy? Alot of innocent webmasters will get fucked over by this if you ask me.
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