I was thinking the other day why are sponsors giving so much to affilates, even submitting galleries for them. To me it seems that many more people are starting their own paysites and sending traffic to themselves. That guys who use to send you 10-20 joins a day is doing his own thing, sending traffic to himself. So the sponsors really have to appeal to the guys that only can send 1-3 joins a day. What are your thoughts?
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yep alot of paysites, but ppl still promote affilatess -
Well, a couple thoughts here.Originally posted by bigdog
One, it's good to scale up.
And two, with all of the bullshit webmasters have to go through today; as an example TGP/MGP's imposing ridiculous rules and hoops for affiliates to jump through, this industry appears to have become very lazy. The reality is, that many webmasters really do need help with a lot of things they do because there is just too much we have to keep an eye on nowadays.
At least this is from what I've been hearing.
Now, when it gets out of hand with some affiliates we won't do it. For instance, we will not open epass accounts for people. I was really surprised when I was asked this.
We try really hard to be affiliate-oriented and help our affiliates as much as we can. But there is a limit. The old adage about taking a mile is very applicable here. I personally believe that this is just the first stages in the industry slimming down on saturation and soon we may see some good conversions again. A good way to tell is the fact that there aren't as many designers around. Remember 2 years ago when all you had to do was ask a question and you'd get spammed by new designers? yeah, that was newbies trying to make it when they couldn't convert their traffic. At least that's what I thought....
I'm rambling here, but I truly believe webmasters will take this too far (as with everything else) and programs will stop accomodating it and we'll see a slimdown.
But this is all speculation.
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For me there are 2 kind of skills:
- People who knows how to get traffic (quality or quantity).
- People who makes such a good sites that they convert very well.
As sponsor, i prefer to focus on this last skill but this business is so much competitive that some of them (sponsors) would make everything to catch affiliates.still moneyhereComment
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Now that's a shame, signing up for a personal epassporte account can be a big pain in the ass, and it's much more convenient for a sponsor program with a business account to just create you one. I got mine from Lightspeed Cash after sending some sales and am very gratefulOriginally posted by luv$
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I didn't know it was a standard... though I could see us doing this for active affiliates.Originally posted by fuzeboxNow that's a shame, signing up for a personal epassporte account can be a big pain in the ass, and it's much more convenient for a sponsor program with a business account to just create you one. I got mine from Lightspeed Cash after sending some sales and am very grateful
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LOL you couldn't be more wrong about this statement, and sorry that means I have to be highly suspect of future statements.Originally posted by luv$For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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I remember back when all you got was a link code and banner, and you were happy to get that much!!!I can resist everything except temptationComment
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I should have said "A good way to tell is the fact that there aren't as many designers bombing threads as there used to be."Originally posted by eroswebmaster
Yes, there are still a lot of designers around, of course.
But I have seen several "I need XXX designed, designers spam me" just drop right down with just a few replies. Haven't you?Domain Auction - now till 12:01AM on the 2nd...
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Pretty much any affiliate program where you request it do it... some do without even asking (like ars... they created me another account without me asking)Originally posted by luv$
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That is really interesting.Originally posted by Doctor Dre
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You are still wrong.Originally posted by luv$
And this is coming from someone who was in the design game. The market is flooded right now with designers. It is a buyers market and if you haven't quite figured that out you're not looking clear enough.
4 years ago a gallery design would run you at a min $45. Some were charging up to $70.
2 years later $45 for a high quality gallery, $25 for bulk orders and $30 for a general template.
Now you'd be lucky to get $20 on bulk orders. *I am of course speaking as a designer who does not live in a 3rd world country*
Samewith paysite designs. I've seen good quality paysite designs *and by quality I mean pretty as I don't now how well they convert* for as little as $299.00
When people would ask about gallery designers there were usually the same couple of names that would pop up. Fletch, myself, machinegun kelly and then the thread would get spammed by outsourcing companies.
Every day it seems I see a new designer spamming the threads.
You may not notice it. But for someone who had to pay attention to it I noticed it...however I think that market will right itself soon enough.Last edited by eroswebmaster; 02-07-2006, 09:08 AM.For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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He is right, there are maybe hundreds of people who call themselfs designers, but it doesnt mean they are designers. I could count the amount of designers who have a clue on one hand.Originally posted by eroswebmasterLast edited by andrej_NDC; 02-07-2006, 09:13 AM.Comment
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Well, eros; I apologize for missing the mark there. I was trying to make a point unrelated to the issues you're bringing up and used that scenario to support my theory.Originally posted by eroswebmasterDomain Auction - now till 12:01AM on the 2nd...
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affiliates keep the sponsor programs going...... without affiliates a lot of these sponsors are nothingGot Cam Models?
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Your attempt at qualifying who should call themself a designer or not does not discount the fact that there are more "designers' out there now than there were a few years ago.Originally posted by andrej_NDCFor rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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The fact that there are more designers out there in some way helps the affiliate programs offer more to their affiliates for less.Originally posted by luv$
You can hire someone cheaper now thus providing more ad materials.
Because of outsourcing companies can even hire cheap labor to provide their webmasters submission services.
Because of cheaper bw programs can now not only offer free gallery designa and submissions, but host the galleries for the affiliates.
I think it is ridiculous that programs go to this extent honestly. If you can afford a filipinio designer/submitter for each of your affiliates what do you need them for? ;)For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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have you all ever done any mainstream promotions? you don't get shit....try asking a mainstream program for free hosting...HAHAHA...they will laugh you off the internetOriginally posted by luv$
porn sponsor program give WAY too much shit away
yeah, it is hard to promote shit, that is the name of the game...it is time for sponsors to stop babying people...besides, anyone that does any real voulume sales doesn't usually ask for all the insane perks the newbies are gettingComment
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Originally posted by luv$
Some programs offer it by request but only to active affiliates.
I got my first ePassporte account that way.
I got it thru ARS and they took the fees for opening the account out of my payout, I think thats how most programs do it.Truth TellerComment
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Sponsors baby their affiliates because good affiliates are how they make their money. I've seen a lot of mainstream affiliate programs stuggle simply to get a few good affiliates.Comment
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Wow... wow... can't afford an Epassporte account? Wow....Originally posted by fuzeboxNow that's a shame, signing up for a personal epassporte account can be a big pain in the ass, and it's much more convenient for a sponsor program with a business account to just create you one. I got mine from Lightspeed Cash after sending some sales and am very grateful
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the truth is anyone can signup and start promoting any program. people who need galleries submitted for them probably shouldnt be webmasters to begin with. with creating, hosting, and submitting galleries being done by programs for affiliates its to the point where anyone can do it with no knowledge what so ever. what are affiliates really doing anyways other than registering a domain for $9 and collecting a check after a program does the work for them.Originally posted by luv$333-765-551Comment
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People should start looking what works out conversion wise rather than what looks goodOriginally posted by andrej_NDC
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Just cause you have a site doesnt mean it will convert or make moneyOriginally posted by bigdog
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Originally posted by QuaShePeople should start looking what works out conversion wise rather than what looks good
I agree 101%
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Originally posted by luv$
just make a nonflash video tour and I'd be happy & back on the bandwagonI don't own RexMag anymore.Comment
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uhhhhmmmm we did, couple weeks ago actually. Please hit me up in ICQ :pOriginally posted by RexDomain Auction - now till 12:01AM on the 2nd...
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What companies have a dick sucking program - sign me up for that.Comment
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Affiliates are for the most part useless.
The best bang for buck on the effort for a site is through internal sales.
Paying people 50-60% of each sale or pay out $35-$70 per member is plane stupid.
We know that a target member tends to last 3 months at best and in vry few cases some for years where a subscriber "Forgets". But Majority of subscribers hang for 2-3 months if that.
Lossing 50%-60% of that is huge coupled with FHG's, and constant demand for content, bandwidth, pluggins, processing, employee's, company insurance and administration. Affiliates are a casualty to profitability in the big picture and the largest companies drive internal sales themselves only a fraction of income is generated by affiliates.Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 02-07-2006, 11:42 AM.
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Originally posted by bringer
I totally agree LOL
fuck sponsors can just send out checks for doing nothing now.. Sign me up for that sponsorSIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.Comment
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its not hard to understand its all about traffic babyOriginally posted by bringer
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It alllll depends ;)Originally posted by AlienQ
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When there's so many sponsors out there, each one needs to do whatever it takes to get the webmasters traffic. Its all about supply and demand and there's so much supply (of sponsors) that they'll do anything to get your business. Even the 1-3 joins per week webmasters add up if you can swoop up a whole bunch of them.
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Im happy I got one of the few good designers to post in this thread.Originally posted by QuaShePeople should start looking what works out conversion wise rather than what looks good
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I should have said eating pussy also, so the ladies don't feel left outComment
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without affiliates a lot of these sponsors are nothing
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We try hard to help our affiliates make money but not until they start to send productive traffic.
Daily we get new guys sign up from China, Africa, Spain Belgium Argentina etc etc and most of these guys have no idea how to get good productive traffic, so it would be a waste of time setting them up with exclusive videos and galleries free sites etc, just to get one sale a year. But for quality webmasters we are happy to accommodate them if at all possible, we do however draw the line at dick sucking!!!
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Anyone who can't spell PLAIN STUPID is well, kind of stupid themselves.Originally posted by AlienQComment
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bump for cock sucking sponsorsComment
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as an affiliate i don't like all the 'help' sponsors try to give. give me some content to promote the site and let affiliates do the rest.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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Affiliates will go the the best and most convenient sponsors... we have alot of choices now, the programs have to compete.Comment
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