Dear chshkt -

Oh geez, I pray he doesn't see this thread. He'll have some conspiracy theory, probably something like Bush was operating the planes via remote control from his office.

mike bush was put in charge of securing the towers one month before they went down....prove anything? no..but sure is interesting

Remember all those indictments and what not that were just around the corner? How many of those came to pass? Zero?

That's what I am hoping for. I want to compile a list of different theories, see which parts match, which facts are shared, and so on.

Yeah... but the fantasy was fun.

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OK... that would take me a lot of energy but will do it because i like USA (not the government of course), GFY and i also want to know the whole truth some day (as all) and i hope i won't be insulted in each post with no real objections... and please read it open-minded before making any assumptions and labeling me or the theories... If you don't like the message don't "kill" the messenger...


So... September 11, 2001 was a government inside job. No other explanation makes any sense. You don't need to read conspiracy sites to understand that there's a huge cover-up and many holes in the official version etc...

Some clues. Whenever planes are hijacked in American airspace, an immediate alert goes to the U.S. Air Force to investigate. These planes are scrambled in minutes after being made aware that any plane, had been hijacked or had their transponders turned off. But four planes? Within the space of a few hours are all hijacked? And not one military plane is scrambled to investigate? Inside job? Not one military or political head did something. Instead, the military officers who were in charge of this major screw-up were promoted.

The Pentagon is the most protected building in the world. It has its own defense system. It was obviously turned off?from within.

The WTC only burned about an hour before collapsing? I?m not a fireman, but even I know a steel building can?t collapse from the top down by what was obviously a controlled demolition. Never in the history of building fires or construction has a tall steel building ever collapsed so precisely from a structural fire, no matter how long it burned, and of course not in one hour. It?s impossible. This more than anything means inside job.

Building 7 collapsed in what also appeared to be a controlled demolition when it wasn?t even hit by any planes.

Bush?s photo op to the elementary school in Florida. Reports said that he had seen the plane hit the first tower before ever going into the school that morning, but it was not on the news until after he went inside. Considering this might be some type of terrorist attack, which they had been warned might happen from claimed earlier intelligence, the Secret Service failed in their duty to protect the President and the children in that school by allowing the photo op to take place. What he really did was to provide an alibi on national TV that he wasn?t involved.

When the second plane hit, and Bush was informed of it, that was absolute proof that this was a terrorist attack and there were other planes reported hijacked. Still Bush stayed for an additional 17 minutes putting both him and the children in Harms Way, if he truly believed it was a terrorist attack.

Then more than ever, the Secret Service should have gotten him out of that school so fast that it would have made your head spin. Instead, he grabbed a book, ?My Pet Goat.? The book was upside down, but he can't read anyway. That could explain why he bankrupted every business he was put in charge of. But that day, he very possibly didn?t realize the book was upside down.

Then when Air Force planes were finally dispatched, they were both sent in the wrong direction and not at top speed either, then I think only two were dispatched, not a whole squadron going in many different directions, and less than quarter speed of their true flying ability. The twin towers had already collapsed by the time these two planes got there. It was too little too late to do anything. But then, they were never meant to stop it.

The 19 Arabs who were supposedly on the planes and were blamed for 911, turned up alive after 9/11 or were already dead before that happened or were in jail that day. http://www.welfarestate.com/911

The men who were reported out boozing it up the night before were very much out of character for Muslims on a suicide mission. Muslims don?t drink. Other men made sure they were seen to give credence to the planned story of who to blame it on. Reports have since surfaced that the men were really Mossad agents. The Mossad had a interest in making sure 9/11 happened so it was a pretext to start a war in the Middle East and to keep their allies, Bush etc in power.

The buildings of the attack should have been treated as crime scenes, they were not. The steel in the buildings hit were not subjected to forensics to determine what made them collapse. Instead, the steel was shipped off to a foreign country to be recycled so this was not possible. Obvious cover-up.

Bush and Cheney ordered Congress not to investigate it. Yes, Congress was told to not investigate 9/11. Inside job, doesn?t it? Since Congress never really investigated it other than the 9/11 Commission which was a total joke, it wasn?t investigated except to back up the government?s story which had so many holes in it that it couldn?t hold water. Yet, many believed it.

I have read other reports that tall buildings often have explosive charges placed in the building as it is being constructed so it can later be brought down in a controlled demolition in case it becomes obsolete.

It was also reported that trucks were seen that morning carrying out huge amounts of gold bullion from the back of the WTC. A bank heist, too? The Federal Reserve was located in the building. Remember the movie, Die Hard III, where a bomb scare in a school was used as a diversion to loot the Federal Reserve bank of it?s gold? They would most definitely want to protect the gold and would remove it so it wouldn?t be lost when the building was brought down. Again inside job.

What is pointed out in the link below is that a much smaller plane was used on the Pentagon than was used on the twin towers. Why the difference? Why did the plane only hit a small portion of the Pentagon? Why not dive bomb right into the middle of it?
http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/boeing.htm

Osama Bin Laden was a close friend of the Bush family. The day after 9/11, when ALL aircraft were grounded throughout the United States, two military planes criss-crossed the country, picking up members of the Bin Laden family and taking them to safety in the Middle East.

The FBI admitted that they had concocted the story about the existence of "Al-Qaeda", but the press still reports it today as the world's major terrorism organisation (not 'The Mossad') and brainwashed individuals admit to belonging to it...

On this website, they have a poll asking five questions. Of those 5 questions, one blames it only on Osama bin Laden, and the government was not involved at all. Only 13.2% of the people who took that poll believed the lie. http://www.letsroll911.org

Also:



http://www.lewisnews.com/article.asp?ID=106623

This is very well written article, which is by Vietnam Combat Pilot and Commercial Airline Pilot Who Confirms 9/11 was an Government inside job.

This link gives 100 websites that claim a different version of the truth than the Government story.
http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911/#LINKS
They can?t all be wrong, especially when the governments version never made any sense if you analyse it at all.



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Now some credible individuals exposing the government's lies taken from the book "911 - Fairy Tale From Hell"






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More individuals on 9/11:




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And more...


Thanks for reading it all.

Riiiight... Because Muslim's are too stupid to orchestrate such an attack. Is that what you're saying? I smell a racist! hahah

I was about to begin to point out several erroneous statements and dispute much of what was said, but then I realized I'd be typing this post for a few hours considering the amount of bullshit.

Guy you can point out a dozen erroneous statements, that doesn't erase the ones that aren't. Something was covered up in this mess, too many loose ends and bullshit coincidences to not be. There are a few things that make absolutely 0 sense and anyone with a brain can see it whether they want to admit it or not.

He'll copy paste a bunch of shit from other websites I think.

A big problem is that you beleive a lot of the shit you read from non news site and take it for granted... but you don't verify the sources. The book upside down was NOT true.

Now I personally beleive there is something beleive, but I don't have the arrogance to pretend I know what happened...

A big problem is that you beleive a lot of the shit you read from non news site and take it for granted... but you don't verify the sources. The book upside down was NOT true.

Now I personally beleive there is something beleive, but I don't have the arrogance to pretend I know what happened...

Yeah but they are entertaining, much of them can't be confirmed from official sources but even though they are too many correct. Like the illuminati. There's so much proofs. If you connect the dots from all the material on the Internet/Books/Videos you will understand it too. Illuminat means the enlightened ones. The people that knows the secret/s. Keeping the world enslaved with that.

I've seen the snopes article that debunks the upside-down book, but so what? That's not something important for the case so i said it because it's funny. But I've also said that he can't read even though he probably can... spell out few words... like freedom and terror.

And yes i understand americans (and all the world) that are afraid from the bloody system and don't want to look up because if 7th grader can be investigated from Secret Service for including Bush in his essay or woman can be arrested for a t-shirt or that NSA is spying on everyone they want or the CIA using torture for making the people to admit they're terrorists or whatever, which they are not... then anyone can be manipulated and controlled. That's how we don't get the truths out. Not mentioning the blackmailing of all the congress (and not only) so they can accept their unlawful laws.

Few more laws and USA will be equal to Nazi Germany... but that has to stop!
I don't understand how the son and the grandson of such nazist (Preston Bush, that helped Hitler's rise to power) can become presidents.
Is there anyone who can stand up and say that he wanted that to happen?
If not why it happens? Who's ruling the world? Aren't all the people supposed to determine the rules and the way the system works?

So instead the nation to rule the government it's vice-versa. Bunch of retards that only little percent brainwashed individuals wants them in office are ruling and making nazism out of a great country and with that the whole world.

Their main weapon is fear, if you live in fear (as too many does) you won't question anything, you will live your life as they want it, you will do what they say. Easily accomplished with the fraudulent banking and tax system. So if you are afraid you've done their job. There's so much things that the people are afraid of. Do not be afraid! That's our chance to win this one!

something's wrong with the quote thing

Actually something is wrong with your brain.

If you read everything you posted it all comes to one conclusion. The Jews did it.

Nice one you anti-semite fuck.

this guy is my new favority GFY'er.

So tired of that over used argument

everyone believes in what he wants.So, if you don`t want to see the truth in the information you won`t see it,even if bush come to whisper it in your ears.Amazing how some people are so blind for everything.But whatever, they choose it.
I totally agree with chshkt.Come on its so easy and so simple if you want to understand it.And to those guys, who event don`t read the whole stuff and saying something only for saying it.Well it is a pitty.Sorry for my english, falks.Chshkt well done!

You hate the Jews also? It doesn't surprise me.

I will whisper something in your ear. The Jews are coming to get you, run run!!!!

Thanks for proving my point...

And no, I was married to one for 14 years ...

I think YOU hate Jews, as a Zionist

Your black female lover told me she has the herpes.

General Ivashov: "International terrorism does not exist"
By General Leonid Ivashov

http://www.periodico26.cu/english/op...shov011806.htm

General Leonid Ivashov was the Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces when the September 11, 2001, attacks took place. This military man, who lived the events from the inside, offers an analysis which is very different to that of his American colleagues. As he did during the Axis for Peace 2005 conference, he now explains that international terrorism does not exist and that the September 11 attacks were the result of a set-up. What we are seeing is a manipulation by the big powers; this terrorism would not exist without them. He affirms that, instead of faking a "world war on terror", the best way to reduce that kind of attacks is through respect for international law and peaceful cooperation among countries and their citizens.
As the current international situation shows, terrorism emerges where contradiction aggravate, where there is a change of social relations or a change of regime, where there is political, economic or social instability, where there is moral decadence, where cynicism and nihilism triumph, where vice is legalized and where crime spreads.
It is globalization what creates the conditions for the emergence of these extremely dangerous phenomena. It is in this context that the new world geo-strategic map is being designed, that the resources of the planet are being re-distributed, that borders are disappearing, that international law is being torn into pieces, that cultural identities are being erased, that spiritual life becomes impoverished...
The analysis of the essence of the globalization process, the military and political doctrines of the United States and other countries, shows that terrorism contributes to world dominance and the submissiveness of states to a global oligarchy. This means that terrorism is not something independent of world politics but simply an instrument, a means to install a unipolar world with a sole world headquarters, a pretext to erase national borders and to establish the rule of a new world elite. It is precisely this elite that constitutes the key element of world terrorism, its ideologist and its "godfather". The main target of the world elite is the historical, cultural, traditional and natural reality; the existing system of relations among states; the world national and state order of human civilization and national identity.
Today's international terrorism is a phenomenon that combines the use of terror by state and non-state political structures as a means to attain their political objectives through people's intimidation, psychological and social destabilization, the elimination of resistance from power organizations and the creation of appropriate conditions for the manipulation of the countries' policies and the behavior of people.
Terrorism is the weapon used in a new type of war. At the same time, international terrorism, in complicity with the media, becomes the manager of global processes. It is precisely the symbiosis between media and terror, which allows modifying international politics and the exiting reality.
In this context, if we analyze what happened on September 11, 2001, in the United States, we can arrive at the following conclusions:
1. The organizers of those attacks were the political and business circles interested in destabilizing the world order and who had the means necessary to finance the operation. The political conception of this action matured there where tensions emerged in the administration of financial and other types of resources. We have to look for the reasons of the attacks in the coincidence of interests of the big capital at global and transnational levels, in the circles that were not satisfied with the rhythm of the globalization process or its direction.
Unlike traditional wars, whose conception is determined by generals and politicians, the oligarchs and politicians submitted to the former were the ones who did it this time.
2. Only secret services and their current chiefs hahaha8211; or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations hahaha8211; have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude. Generally, secret services create, finance and control extremist organizations. Without the support of secret services, these organizations cannot exist hahaha8211; let alone carry out operations of such magnitude inside countries so well protected. Planning and carrying out an operation on this scale is extremely complex.
3. Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers or the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders. Thus, a team of professionals had to be created and the Arab kamikazes are just extras to mask the operation. The September 11 operation modified the course of events in the world in the direction chosen by transnational mafias and international oligarchs; that is, those who hope to control the planet's natural resources, the world information network and the financial flows. This operation also favored the US economic and political elite that also seek world dominance.
The use of the term "international terrorism" has the following goals:
Hiding the real objectives of the forces deployed all over the world in the struggle for dominance and control;
Turning the people's demands to a struggle of undefined goals against an invisible enemy; Destroying basic international norms and changing concepts such as: aggression, state terror, dictatorship or movement of national liberation;
Depriving peoples of their legitimate right to fight against aggressions and to reject the work of foreign intelligence services;
Establishing the principle of renunciation to national interests, transforming objectives in the military field by giving priority to the war on terror, violating the logic of military alliances to the detriment of a joint defense and to favor the anti-terrorist coalition;
Solving economic problems through a tough military rule using the war on terror as a pretext.
In order to fight in an efficient way against international terrorism it is necessary to take the following steps:
To confirm before the UN General Assembly the principles of the UN Charter and international law as principles that all states are obliged to respect;
To create a geo-strategic organization (perhaps inspired in the Cooperation Organization of Shanghai comprised of Russia, China, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan) with a set of values different to that of the Atlantists; to design a strategy of development of states, a system of international security, another financial and economic model (which would mean that the world would again rest on two pillars);
To associate (under the United Nations) the scientific elites in the design and promotion of the philosophical concepts of the Human Being of the 21st Century.
To organize the interaction of all religious denominations in the world, on behalf of the stability of humanity's development, security and mutual support.

you are such a stupid little fuck - his clear and concise arguments leave your pathetic one liners for fuckin dead.

Then again what the fuck would we expect from some who labels themselves a dick

Why can't anyone in here read what's on offer and accept it as a different point of view, rather than resort to childish slander? People can believe whatever they want - but they should at least be aware of other points of view. Just look at muslims, they are so rigid in their beliefs that they are almost ridiculous.

What you believe should be what you believe - not just the first idea/opinion you've heard. Listen/read them all - then decide. But decide with your brain, not with a bunch of keyboard warrioring..