The future of the USA in the next couple of years..

Like we give a fuck what your jealous foreign ass whines about. Go do something productive.

The sun always shines on TV. Try smashing your head into one a few times. Here, I'll help.

Thanks for prooving my point lol

The only point you have is on top of your head. What garden spot are you posting from?

Well, as much as you would like, the US isn't going anywhere. We'll find a way to pull through. Hey, who knows, maybe we'll take the strategy that most every foreign country has used in the past and ask to get bailed out.

We've done it enough before, time to pay up.

sweet i am doing a paper on this very topic

ron paul will make no difference.

Your schoolteacher will not accept WikiPedia, so you're gonna get no love citing GFY as a reference, either.

We are not going anywhere. Please do feel free to under estimate us because there will come a day when you see we were right.

DJ up over 300 points today. Guess it sucks to be a hater.

.. about what ?

thanks for that

bad thing is middle class is melting away .... ( but you must be in the upper class ... )

Sadly if we just made the countries pay us back the debt would be mostly gone.

I don't LIKE this, it would be terrible to wish this on anyone, but I'm afraid it's the truth.

Sadly if we just made the countries pay us back the debt would be mostly gone.

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Congrats to all the winners

Yay more American Bashing Fuckheads...

In the near future it will disappear and give way to the North American Union along with Canada and Mexico... one big happy family and adopt the Amero, but I am sure all americans are already aware of that.

I live in the United States, aside from living in a few third world countries for months, I've lived here my entire life. I've lived in Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado, New Jersey, New York.. I've seen every single US state either driving through it or staying there visiting someone.

I can say without a doubt that most Americans lack something called "personal responsibility" (including me at one time). We like to blame other people for our lack of vision and insight into the deeper meanings of our existence here.

Let's explore personal responsibility shall we?

Personal responsibility in this world is rare, most people do not have it, nor do they want it. The result of this lack of acceptance is systems designed and put in place to take away your rights and freedoms; since you're not using them anyway why do you need them? You are then left to either complain about what has been put in place or become a personally responsible human, responsible for all of your thoughts and actions and your impact here everywhere you go. If you believe this is impossible then you have either not tried it due to laziness or you have tried and given up. Being totally personally responsible is not easy, nothing of any importance is. It takes determination, will power, strength and a calm assertion to achieve it. It can and will take years to perfect because it involves completely reorganizing your life and thoughts. Who you associate with, what items you put around you, where you live, what you eat, what you buy/consume and most importantly how you treat others. Realization of these facts alone can cause distress, thoughts of hopelessness, anger, fear, delusion and resistance. These things can nearly always be expected at first. Most tend not to get past these barriers because they are too weak to assert themselves. It is not impossible to accomplish, but it will most certainly not be easy for anyone.

Taking all of this into account, we can see in any given help forum a number of users that will ultimately choose no self responsibility and demonstrate this repeatedly in their refusal to follow sound advice, constant argument and resistance to logic even when the facts and evidence are clearly laid out before them by multiple people. Likewise, many people will have stopped reading this after the first sentence and see it as a "lecture" on how they should be or something being "forced" on them. In reality, no one can force another person to do or think anything they do not choose to do. Even at gunpoint you must choose to comply with the demands laid before you or deny them without fear of death, simply saying "I didn't have a choice" is not a valid excuse.

I'd love for all of this to be some fantasy in the world.. but the FACTS are unmistakable the "thinking fearless" among us. I like to analyze, examine and consider every opinion, fact and detail I can find. I am not afraid to question my world and most importantly I am not afraid to question myself for errors and think that I maybe wrong or have the wrong idea.. now ask yourself, can you say the same?

i wish everyone in this thread peace in their lives, well being in their families and happiness in this world. without each other we are all lost.

-opsec

People like yourself have been saying this forever and will continue to say it forever. Sure, all great empires crumble eventually but it won't happen in our lifetime.

great post opsec

I'll bet you 1 goldbar the economy will crash within 5 years

because......... ?

"Personal responsibility in this world is rare, most people do not have it, nor do they want it."

So you fault Americans for not having it? Sheesh no wonder everyone hates us...
Did ya think we are gods or something?

Sadly, there is some truth here.

We are killing ourselves from within.

We have forgotten what made us great.

Thats why your name is anarchy. People like you are sitting around waiting for stuff like that to happen.

Because im not a conspiracy theorist and because the US has managed to pull its self out of the great depression, chances are it could do it again.

People like me? Keep generalizing everything into little closets. You don't even know me. Most people are not mature enough to live in anarchy anyway.

That said, and while I admire Ron Paul alot, he is wrong about the Iraq war. Peaceniks and non-interventionists are nothing new; for example, there were plenty of them in WWII. What did they accomplish? They delayed and weakened the allies, and almost succeeded in handing the world to an Austrian chap name Adolf Hitler.

Chances are it could fail as well...

I don't think it's as bad as anarchy has posted, though think the US is in for a lot more pain before it gets better.

Na... doubt there will be "a total economic meltdown". There is a meltdown in the homes/real estate sector and that does comprise around 25% of the total economy and a big hit whatever way you look at it.

This is not just about the US - it applies to almost all western industrialized countries. There has been a geo shift of wealth creation happening for a few years now and this is ploughing ahead to be the largest economic powerhouse the planet has seen. There will be a cost to the economies of almost all western countries.

If any nation is not in a good economic situation to manage geo economic changes - they are going to suffer more.

The US scenario is really about debt and, predicted years ago, this is just not sustainable. The home market may have been the trigger for the current problem, but it would have happened either way at some point. Simply put - it is just not viable in the long term to spend/borrow $100 when the ability to "earn" is maxed at $10. The reality is the borrowing is $10 trillion. The idea that other nations owe anything near this to the US is fantasy. The reality is that other nations are owed around 50% of that $10 trillion.

The idea that the election of a politician to magically cure this problem is, prob again, expecting too much of any government. It's a massive challenge to even begin to resolve and prob can't be left up to govt alone.

Meanwhile, other western countries (and a few eastern) are not exactly too different. Several countries have inflation issues and import/export imbalances, despite their currency may be stronger than the dollar at the moment. The difference with most in comparison to the US, is that they operate a fairly rigid fiscal policy and their debt levels (pro rata) are nowhere near the levels of the US.

Bottom line... get ready for change globally. It started happening years ago and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. The best chance of meeting that challenge is to address economic weaknesses on a domestic level and quit getting into a daily mounting debt scenario.


PS Would also predict a further cut in interest rates before year end in the US - else there is a possibility of recession - the consequences of that are too damaging.

I recall some folks saying the airline industry would go bust after 9/11. Now it's hard to find a flight that's not full during the Thanksgiving holiday.

I'm the muthafucka. I don't give a fuck what you say bitch, look into my asshole and see if you see any sins. Pay me one dime out of every dolla you've maid you ig'nant ma'fucka. Gimme ya money, gimme ya money.

US will retake economic superpower crown

America is the most competitive economy in the world with 80% of the world's top 10 leading business schools.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai.../ccview112.xml
US will retake economic superpower crown

That may or may not happen EonBlue - who knows? But sure would not rely on the opinions of a political journalist to forecast the future for any country on the planet.

All that matters is the date any action is started for recovery and followed up by evidence of actual debt reduction and other factors. Sure.. at least the last quarter did show an export increase and also good productivity figures, but the overwhelming problem is a reliance on imported product - that needs to be cut substantially, especially when weaker dollars are being used to pay for these imports.

And how the fuck Ron Paul should fix present situation ???

The problem with politics, is that it's full of politicians, most of whom benefit from the upside down economics that the country is currently experiencing. The debt we incur for the war in Iraq goes to contractors and inevitably stock holders. They don't set that money on fire in a field, it goes to businesses, who profit from it while the rest of the country suffers.

The unfortunate thing is that the US will almost assuredly HAVE to melt down before we get the voting majority to finally agree that the system is flawed and has been manipulated by the people that run it.

The sickeningly low amount of people that actually vote, divided by the majority outcome of an election, means that an elected official actually represents such a small amount of our population that it's absurd. Bush got 51 % of the vote, and voter turnout was 55.3%. That means about 28% of the US reelected him.

Of that 28%, I'd hate to imagine how many people were actually aware of and agreed with his policy, versus the number that voted because he was an incumbant or because they were told by others to vote for him, or just because he is a rebulican. Or for that matter, because voting him out meant we would be accepting that the US was wrong on a lot of matters.

In the next election, I wonder how many people will vote for hilary because she is a democrat, or because she is a woman, or because she was the first lady. How many people will actually vote for her because they think she is the right candidate to lead us out of the situations we are currently in?

Some people think that standing behind your countries choices no matter what, is what makes you a patriot. It's easy to fly a flag or wear a ribbon, or put a bumper sticker on your car and say that you support your country.
To me, being a patriot means that you KNOW what's happening in your country, love what works and are ready, willing and able to do what it takes to make your country a better place; that you are willing to defend your country against all enemies, foriegn AND domestic. To say you love your country isn't enough to make it a better place. How many people can really look at our country today and say that it's the best that it can be? I know the same can be said about any country, but let's start with our own.

I'm having a hard time finding too many politicians that aren't willing to sell out for the right amount. That to me, would seem to mean that they are anything but patriots, and you would HOPE that the people that are leading your country are the ones that love it the most.

I think the hope for this country lies in new leadership. It lies in the hands of people that love this country enough to see it through the rough times, to love it when it's at it's worst, and want better for it always. The future of this country lies in the hands of patriots, not politicans.

But what do I know; I make porn for a living.

anarchy...where u from?

Belgium.. 156 days without government.. lol.. bunch of bs overhere too ;)

Would have to agree DC - much of the steady growing debt problem (even forgetting Iraq) has been going on for a long time and literally nothing has been enacted to counter rising debt and related issues. To put it another way, - USA Inc is little different from a corp. Would you sit on the board of "USA Inc" and let this scenario continue unfold before your eyes and do nothing?

The lack of performance from the "board" has been just amazing and totally ineffective. If it was a real corp - the board would be kicked out on to the street and the corp liquidated.

It's fairly easy to see why the "board" is ineffective - they are spending a long time pandering to other interests and also sticking their heads in sand trying to avoid causing ripples which may reduce their "popularity" further.

Not suggesting this should happen and very simplified examples, but - you want to kill oil imports? Impose a 30% immediate tax on gas sales. You want to kill Eastern imports? Levy import duties. You want to encourage US industry develop? Use a portion of the taxes and levies as grants/aid to new and innovative enterprises. You want to work towards economic improvement of the nation as a whole? Pass a law banning all lobby groups with commercial interests - unless you ask for their opinion (also saves time listening to them ) Want to start cutting healthcare costs? Take the law off the books where pharma corps don't have to be competitive on pricing. The list is endless....

Will any group of politicians do what is basic economic sense? Nope. They all have their own petty in-fighting and other agendas for a cut of that pork.

Only my - govt is better run without politicians and have them replaced with business people who have non-conflicting interests - and that's their full time job, no sidekicks, no "benefits", - just a promise of hard work and a challenge

Are you really this stupid or are you trying to be amusing?

Where is this Belgium place you speak of?

Europe --

Ah, I see. Get any good ganja over there?