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Ok and here an adolescent = adult. Can't argue with the dictionary can you?Originally posted by Adult Insider Dave
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I had the same problem with ARS a couple of years ago, their bot picked up the domain name of a trade I had. The word was in a href only, it wasn't actually visible on the page. When I explained this they made an exception and allowed my app.
In your case I feel more strongly. lolita is definitely not a word that I feel is even remotely associated with an adult female. Wasn't the girl in that movie 14?
(Yes, I know it's also a female name... but the movie has tainted the generic use of that word forever IMHO)
As an adult webmaster running a TEEN site you need to be a little more paranoid than most, and make sure that you can adapt to whatever the industry as a whole deems acceptable or unacceptable.Comment
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We know the meaning of lolita, it's not about the meaning of the word, it's about the way it has been used in the pastOriginally posted by Adult Insider Dave
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Originally posted by gfx3
words like 'lolita' and 'beastiliality' are on visa's banned words list.
ARS uses an IPSP (credit card processor) or their own merchant account that connects to a bank that connects to VISA.
Affiliates that use "badwords" that are connected to ARS become liabilities to ARS from the heirarchy.
Visa slaps the bank, the bank slaps the merchant account, the merchant account slaps ARS.
So ARS is looking out not only for their business but everyone up the chain that will get fined because of bad marketing practices.
The word 'lolita' has been misused by many webmasters to represent "young".
Lolita is pre-pubscent.. under 13-14..
"Young girl"... that's a phrase that is connected with CP.. and while you may be using both terms in context of an 18+ year old model and feel that you are justified, the reality is, the people connected with credit card processing aren't fine with it.
So you could think you might just not promote ARS and try another program that may not be proactive in checking out affiliates... you may get into those other programs.. but eventually, your use of 'lolita' will cause problems for the sponsor, their credit card processer on up.
ARS is doing the right thing in denying you as an affiliate, and it's your choice to continue to use the word 'lolita' be understand that your continued use of the word will bring liability to whatever program you are sponsoring and they will ultimately have to terminate you if they get slapped for having you as an affiliate.
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i agree with ars
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So you give in to the abusers, I understand your point of view.Originally posted by JamesKWe know the meaning of lolita, it's not about the meaning of the word, it's about the way it has been used in the pastComment
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Originally posted by FightThisPatent
for anyone that cant read visa/mc have banned the word thats why ars checks for it.Need WebHosting ? Email me for some great deals [email protected]Comment
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i agree with the ShempOriginally posted by the ShempComment
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adolscent=adult?Originally posted by gfx3Ok and here an adolescent = adult. Can't argue with the dictionary can you?
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Dictionary says:
n.
A young person who has undergone puberty but who has not reached full maturity; a teenager
So i guess that COULD mean 18/19, but that would be a LOOSE translation ;)Promote our penis growth and acne books, earn 75% on sales and rebills.
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You do realise that the word lolita means underage right?
Boohoo. Too bad.
Also. 'young girl'.
Really, we are treading on thin ice calling models girls anyways, a girl is .. a girl! At 18 .. they become what's called a woman. Ok, so in our society we call most younger women girls. But young girl? That only implies someone way too young to even know what a tampon is let alone being old enough to model.Comment
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Jees, I use young girl, young chick, young Asian, young chubby chick, young woman, young teen couple, Young pigtailed teen just to have variation. If I would have to ask myself "won't I step on someones toes writing this" every time I write a description I would never get my listings done.Originally posted by FightThisPatent
Like I said before this could be endless. I understand the credit card companies and ARS but still when lolita is used in the proper way to describe a gallery nobody could make problems and if they did and you went to court you would get paid.Comment
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To me the milton twins are young girls. You can't call them young women, they wear braces and sleep with teddybears or whatever.Originally posted by iwantchixxComment
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To anyone AGAINST porn, the phrase "young girls" and "lolita" mean 12 or 13 year olds. Forget what it means to you, check the TOS.
Seriously. Always be asking yourself "How defensible is this?" and you'll be around a lot longer. IMHO plus :2cents43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.
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Originally posted by gfx3
you must not be getting it. there is no "proper" way to use the word "lolita" to describe sexually explicit content.
if you were doing a literary site and you were reviewing the book, the movie, etc.. that's different.
But using 'lolita' as an adjective that describes girls (under 18) is incorrect usuage of the word by the dictionary, incorrect by society (globally), and violation of TOS of ARS and everyone up the food change.
You should be concerned about what "toes get stepped on" based on how your write your text.
A pedo could do a search, and land on your site because of your CP related words.
He joins the paysite you are promoting, thinking that the CP stuff is probably behind closed doors, afterall, you used the CP words on your web page to attract him.
The pedo joins the site, doesn't see CP, does a chargeback.
You may not care about the chargeback if the sponsor doesn't deduct that from you, but the sponsor just ate the loss, their CC processor took a loss,etc.
If enough chargebacks start occurring from the paysite, the cc processor will contact the paysite and ask whats going on.. and look in their records to see that chargebacks might be coming from same affiliate.. they check the affiliate out, see the bad words and terminate them or else be terminated by the credit card processor.
So your actions affect everyone up the chain. If you don't want to take responsibilty to know how you might be causing companies you promote harm, them don't be surprised as you were by ARS when they start denying you or terminating your abilty to be their affiliate.
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this is the dumbest post i think in this thread by far.Originally posted by FightThisPatentNeed WebHosting ? Email me for some great deals [email protected]Comment
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It's not what you personally think that matters. Re-read this thread, how many people are agreeing with your definitions?Originally posted by gfx3Comment
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Originally posted by sandman!
if this wasn't a sarcastic post, then post up what you don't agree with or misunderstood..
Fight the wuh?
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You may agree with gfx3 as much as you like. However, Visa and Mastercard DO NOT agree. So much so that they will terminate accounts where they find the word in the site. PERIOD.Originally posted by Fah KingComment
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the same lolita debate has been going on since 2000 when i ran teen tgp's even back then there were people that had a problem with the word they in general were told to fuck off and no one really cared, there were teen sponsors with no cp with the word lolita in their domains and everything was fine till visa/mc decided lolita was a banned word at that time all the people with lolita domains besides a few got rid of them.Originally posted by FightThisPatent
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good info ill have to throw those words into my tgp script so it blocks all that garbage.Originally posted by Swippy
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people keep arguing a debate that has been going on forever and keep missing this point.Originally posted by Kimmykim
the only point that really matters in this thread.Need WebHosting ? Email me for some great deals [email protected]Comment
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Huh? Please tell me where adolescent = adult, they are distinctly different.Originally posted by gfx3Ok and here an adolescent = adult. Can't argue with the dictionary can you?
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Its crazy..."
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It's pretty common to have a site rejected for the word Lolita. You should know that, if not, now you do, and that's how we learn.Comment
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Lightspeedcash also does not accept any traffic from sites using the word "lolita" on their pages. We also parse all referring urls from every join every day, in case someone wants to play games after they pass our pre-screening. Affiliates found using banned keywords are suspended, and if they refuse to remove the offending words, then their account is closed for TOS violations.
You might think that word is ok, but you are in the minority. We have to do what is necessary to protect our US-based business.
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Yea... you can use "TEEN" but not "LOLITA"... go figure. I think it is fucking stupid as well.
But you can have a site called "[email protected]" and be ok.
We have a DVD coming out called "Asian Lolitas" and the DVD world has no problems with it. It's not about underage girls, but it is about girls who look young enough to still be in high school. Nothing wrong with that. They are all 18+ and never say they are underage.
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Yet they will process sales of the movie called "Lolita" at any of the countless online video stores where you can buy it. They will also process sales for a book called "Lolita" as well several other titles that have "lolita" in the name.Originally posted by Kimmykim
They also process drink bills and sex payments from a blow job bar called LOLITAS in Thailand. Want a blow job in the bar from a girl who is dressed like a school girl? You can pay for it with your Visa or Mastercard.
And all of that is OK?Comment
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Agreed.Originally posted by PR_TomTo anyone AGAINST porn, the phrase "young girls" and "lolita" mean 12 or 13 year olds. Forget what it means to you, check the TOS.
Seriously. Always be asking yourself "How defensible is this?" and you'll be around a lot longer. IMHO plus :2cents
But there are only TWO legal years of teenagers where it is ok... 18 and 19. All the others... 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 are all referring to underage girls. So how is it the term TEEN is ok?
Teen is worse than Lolita when I hear it because the term lolita does not define an age. It says that the girl is young and immature. An adolescent. girl. The word adolescent does not mean necessarily mean it's a minor.
FYI: There is a town in Texas called Lolita. Lolita is a female name very common in the 1800's and early 1900's.Comment
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thank you for admitting that you don't know what you are talking about.Originally posted by sandman!
i happen to know what is going on and can back all that i have posted, but that's not really for me to prove.
if you want to use the word lolita, then that's your business. but if you get dropped by a sponsor, then don't let it be a surprise.
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There are a few pornstars using the name Lolita, if I happen to mention their names when reviewing DVDs and listing the cast, is that going to get me into hot water?
Here are some DVD's with girls named Lolita in them
http://www.mallcom.com/cgi-bin/itmli...en=DVDSILVER39
http://www.mallcom.com/cgi-bin/itmli...n=DVDLEGEND298
http://www.mallcom.com/cgi-bin/itmli...pen=DVDPLATX47
http://www.mallcom.com/cgi-bin/itmli...open=DVDRED212
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Yo man, I've known to stay away from those terms since 2000. You a newb or something?Comment
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i never said in this day and age using that word is a good idea.Originally posted by FightThisPatent
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ok bottom line is although the word might be thought of as acceptable by some of you much of society and MOST of the online adult industry shuns this word. Simple answer just don't fuckin use it !!!Promote our penis growth and acne books, earn 75% on sales and rebills.
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Apparently you don't seem to be able to understand rules. Visa and Mastercard will make whatever rules they want to make for whatever SIC codes they choose.Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
Buying a copy of Nabokov's book is not the same to them as buying a subscription to a porn site. Swiping your card at a restaurant or bar of any name is not the same as buying a subsription to a porn site.
Instead of sitting around complaining about what seem to be, and indeed very well may be, abitrary rules, how about spending the time being compliant where the situation does count...Comment
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I don't have a site with "lolita" in it... so I am compliant, get off my back.Originally posted by Kimmykim
I have a DVD with the word lolita in it coming out and that side of the industry does not care about it. They sell the same movies in their stores as I will have on my website, with credit cards, with titles with "lolita" in them. The same movies. But to sell it online I can not use the word. That's just stupid and I have every right to bitch about it.
I used my credit card (Visa) to have two 18 year old whores suck my cock and swallow my sperm, dressed as schoolgirls and they were calling me daddy, in a bar called Lolitas, which did have several underage girls working there. If I wanted them, I could of paid underage girls to do this... with my Visa or MasterCard.
The rules are BS, that's all.Comment
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It's been like that for a few years..too controversial and I wouldn't want any thing to do with a site eitherComment
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Originally posted by gfx3
Where did you come up with that?Comment
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Originally posted by sandman!
No, I think you just took that title with your post. FTP knows of what he speaks.
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You got a good point there DWB!Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
It's true adolescent does not necessarily mean minor. Just look at some of the posts on GFY from adults, they sure are adolescent!
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Exactly!Originally posted by pimpporn
It's not a damned debating society - more common sense and sane business judgement than anything.Last edited by Webby; 01-25-2006, 05:02 PM.XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.Comment
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You've hit the nail on the head...Originally posted by WebbyYou got a good point there DWB!
It's true adolescent does not necessarily mean minor. Just look at some of the posts on GFY from adults, they sure are adolescent!
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In the US, the connotation is different; absent any other context, "young girl" would probably be presumed to mean more like 5-14, while teenager would more typically mean 13-17. (Or technically 13-19).Originally posted by gfx3
Of course context does matter. Two old farts might talk about all the "young girls" running around campus, referring to 18- to 25-year-olds. But judging contextual usage is too subjective and complicated, so terms are banned outright.Comment
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Originally posted by baddogNo, I think you just took that title with your post. FTP knows of what he speaks.
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Originally posted by sandman!
i guarantee you that i am not... you should try to talk to a compliance manager at a credit card processor to ask them about the sh*t they have to deal with, when it comes to bad affiliates doing bad marketing, that jeopardizes their processing ability with the banks and with VISA.
bad marketing hurts everyone up the chain, starting with the paysite that you promote.. but that thought is usually just a passing one and replaced with how much more PPS money can be made.
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In other words, don't waste time worrying about things you can NOT control and more time on things you CAN control!Originally posted by Kimmykim
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girl ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gûrl)Originally posted by Basic_man
n.
A female child.
Frankly I'd have to say that young girl is actually worse - a YOUNG female child - not good.Comment
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Originally posted by sandman!
i see now why you think the way you do.. you've come to a false conclusion... that since you never got dinged by CCbill for using lolita in your domain name, or had any chargeback issues, therefore there is no issue.
that's the same as sticking your head in the sand and saying there is no problem because you don't see it.
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if an affiliate was promising people things that were not in the members area yes it can be an issue i never did that and never had an issue so yes what im saying is from what i have seen.Originally posted by FightThisPatent
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