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I'm honestly getting tired of having to educate you...LOL.
The rake these sites make just like in live games comes from the huge amount of low limit games going on out there, not the big games, so it doesn't matter how many big games they have going on as long as the low limit players keep feeding the rake machine.
Example:
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1571041
A $96,000 pot an the rake was $1.00
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1614099
$2/$4 NL game $200 pot, $3 rake.
Now to get back to your top 20 finisher theory, once again, tournament pay out schedules are top heavy, favoring the top 3 finishers. Why would they try to skim $5K here or there, when they're making $20K off of a tournament, when all they have to do is start up another without any risk.
I am not saying there has never ever been a "rogue" employee, which may be the case at Absolute. But there is no reason for PokerStars, or PartyPoker to risk an easy money making machine just to increase their profits by 1-5% a year.Last edited by eroswebmaster; 10-21-2007, 07:57 PM.For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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well then by all means go ahead and invest. As for me, this is more evidence than I need.
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0&fpart=1&vc=1Comment
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and there is no evidence other than the IP being traced back to the owner's house is what you meant to say.Comment
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Eros,
Let's apply the no reason to shave then. Sponsors make tons yet still shave, they risk millions a year also.
Also, why wouldn't the site itself just show the guy playing all the cards and all 4 of the cards to come out? So he knows ahead of time if he wins or not. He could then lose some, win some etc. Like if someone is dealt A A and he has J J but a Jack will flop, he could get the A A to allin maybe and it wouldnt look so bad.
I think there is alot more cheating going on then you can imagine. It's way to easy to rig shit for them to pull millions out without anyone knowing.Comment
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Spot on once again.
It is completely nonsense to risk a perfectly healthy business. And I really don't believe that it was the whole Absolute Team who is behind this. It is more than likely a hack made by a former programmer/employee who is taking advantage of this now.
This was inevitable at some point, but there's absolutely no reason to think it's the company as such who are behind and I am 100% sure that no big company like Stars, Full Tilt or Party or Absolute for that matter would never do anything that could jeopardize their more than healthy business.
RawAlex if your theory were to be correct. They have some sort of Bot network which have a slightly edge, it would fuck up your poker tracker stats in the long haul. There's no way shit like that will go unnoticed. Just as the Absolute incident didn't. PokerTracker shows you EVERYTHING, I love this tool
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A good example is that PotRipper had an Infinite River Aggression
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i thought frank rosenthal said "it's ALL about the skim."Comment
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To further my point Sltr...let me give you an example of how poker used to be ran in this town.
The house did not take a rake, they had what they called "snatch games."
Right in front of the dealer's tray, there was a hole, the dealers would just take as much as they could out of the pot and hope the player's didn't pay attention.
A good friend of mine started dealing here about 30 years ago, but she came to Vegas to play poker professionally.
Anyway, her first day here she won the biggest pot of her life, but lost money due to the snatch.
That was when she realized she needed to be on the other side of the table to make any real money.
They used to run other rigged games here too, but have realized that there's not reason to they have an edge, and the suckers that play slots and table games regardless of this knowledge will continue to play.For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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Here's an article written about a snatch game
http://www.vegascommunityonline.com/...tMarinoCol.htmAs I told you in prior columns I started out as a shill dealer. I wrote last time about the first time I dealt in a live "snatch" game with a $5?$10 limit and how none of the players detected my 40?50% "rake," in spite of the fact that I was a "newbie," nervous as hell and did not have all my "moves" down yetFor rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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This is exactly why I don't play online poker. Unless I can watch the shuffle and the deal, I just don't trust it.
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Check this out - they recreated the cheating - I didn't see the links posted here yet.
Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM
Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PbQyKgELDEA
Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xqmp-a7SzFs
Absolute Poker "POTRIPPER" Cheating Part 4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FCMiK9pJ7KwComment
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you can knock off saying they wouldn't cheat because there's no reason to cheat. They cheated. There's no reason to say it was a rogue employee. It's already been proven it wasn't.
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Where has it been proven that the site had anything to do with it? In the court of 2+2 the poker version of GFY?
I am not defending Absolute...I think they did a poor job of handling this.
But once again...the loser's mantra is "online poker is rigged."
Winning players with 100's of thousands of hands...millions of hands...can prove that the games that they are playing in are fine. They were able to figure this out in a relatively short amount of time...you don't think they won't figure it out elsewhere?
Sorry if you can't beat the game online man, the simple fact is that the games are much tougher online.
Your typical winning $2/$4 limit player online can beat a $10/$20 - $20/$40 game live.
Now NL, the games are drying up. The $25/$50 players are having to drop down to $10/$20, and $5/$10, those guys are dropping down to $2/$4, and $3/$6. When these guys play live they are playing anywhere from $5/$10 on up to $100/$200.
There is cheating online, but not tot the extent that sites are rigging games that you would like to believe.
Just study harder, and some day you'll get there.For rent - ICQ 127-027-910
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i know it makes you feel really special calling people losers when they're only stating the obvious, but it's been proven as much as anything can be proven without Scott and co. walking up to your front door and saying 'I cheated'. I mean, really. What's it going to take for you? Any moron who reads that thread on 2+2 knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that AP cheats. If AP cheats, any of them can cheat. The CHEAT.
Online poker is rigged. Let me say again for emphasis: RIGGED. RIGGED. RIGGED.
And it's proven. Now tell us all again how only losers say it's rigged, so I can point to the thread again. I like all the publicity this issue is getting, the lower limit players still need to get the word and some of them are on GFY.Comment
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I shouldn't have read this thread.
Can anyone transfer $100 into my PokerStars account? I will pay via PayPal first.I was looking for a job, and then I found a job
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Hey Ill be at the Venetian on Nov 2.. In the Poker room..
Eros, if you are in seat four lets be sure to say hello!
Industry Hall Of Fame Legend Mike Jones
Bow to the Power - Still BP4L
http://gfyawards.com/hall-of-fame
Learn about it kids.Comment
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Chiting i'ts on of the way off gaming...and i fink no bad.Comment
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